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bluedog

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Drugs and alcohol ruins lives..........

Not talking to anyone in particular, yeah, I know, you can handle it.............[rolleyes]



I simply don't understand glorifying such a destructive lifestyle...........

I know a few people who got hooked on drugs............Every one of 'em started out smoking marijuana...........
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I'm curious how Kasey Fagan, Haley's oldest sister who is a grad ass't, is taking this? I feel one or more of the girls with a weak constitution felt 'Well coach ain't gotten in hot water over his son yet, so why not toke?' 

I've usually been  close to 100% on Haley, but this surely lowers that. [frown]

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Drugs and alcohol ruins lives..........

Not talking to anyone in particular, yeah, I know, you can handle it.............[rolleyes]



I simply don't understand glorifying such a destructive lifestyle...........

I know a few people who got hooked on drugs............Every one of 'em started out smoking marijuana...........
Alcohol much more insidious. That needs to be outlawed before weed if you want to go down that road
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How many pot heads to do hang around with Scotty? Hahaha. Many DUI arrests are for marijuana and it kills brain cells. While tobacco damages the lungs and alcohol kills the liver. 


Well.......none, lately. It was never my high of choice, but I've never felt the people I knew that used were causing themselves harm. Saw many more lives impacted negatively from alcohol and cigarettes than pot. In our current society, I'm more concerned with the lack of care from the companies that produce our food. The bottom line is their motivating factor, not our health. Addicts will be addicts and weed doesn't create any situation, other than having to buy it from criminals, that opens the door to harder drugs. I would surmise that more people have shortened their lives from eating too much than smoking too much pot. Should we put restrictions on the caloric and fat content of what we eat?
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You just said it yourself...buying from criminals...gateway at its simplest form.  
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I don't think I'm worried about which recreational drug is better or worse, what I'm worried about is the law and the expectation of following the rules while representing the university. A short suspension is the minimum I would expect for something like this just as a result to the damage to the universities reputation as a representative of that university. JMO
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Ran across this article and thought it appropriate. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm..... loss of focus.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/health/healthtrending/what-happens-if-you-smoke-marijuana-every-day/ar-BBA554o?li=BBnbfcL
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Fresh said........
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 I would surmise that more people have shortened their lives from eating too much than smoking too much pot.


It's not about shortening your life.........That's a personal decision you may make that doesn't affect me.........

If you smoke pot and drive a car, your decision becomes someone else's problem...........

Plus the fact that over-eating isn't against the law...........


Plus the fact that over-eating isn't against the law...........


Alcohol, pot, over-eating and cigarettes are, all, harmful and are bad decisions in our lives............
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I don't think I'm worried about which recreational drug is better or worse, what I'm worried about is the law and the expectation of following the rules while representing the university. A short suspension is the minimum I would expect for something like this just as a result to the damage to the universities reputation as a representative of that university. JMO
couldn't agree more
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http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/obesity/basics/complications/con-20014834

From the Mayo Clinic. Serious stuff. 

I also minimize the effects of dealing with criminals in states where marijuana use is legal. Does that remove the gateway drug main concern? Remember, addicts are going to manifest their obsessive and compulsive behavior in some form. Drug abuse is just one. To assess the benefits or negative effects of marijuana, addicts shouldn't be the focus of attention. They are, by definition, already damaged goods.
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Fresh said........


It's not about shortening your life.........That's a personal decision you may make that doesn't affect me.........

If you smoke pot and drive a car, your decision becomes someone else's problem...........

Plus the fact that over-eating isn't against the law...........


Alcohol, pot, over-eating and cigarettes are, all, harmful and are bad decisions in our lives............


So...............is it ever all right to get high, just to get high? If you apply the same societal rules to marijuana that you do to alcohol? Since what I do in the privacy of my home doesn't affect you.
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Fresh, not true............

If a person stays away from temptation, that temptation cannot consume them...........

We do control our actions...........
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I can't believe I am about to write this, but....

How can anyone remotely argue with bluedog on that?

Though alcohol should be outlawed before weed, IF only one is to be outlawed



Were these players driving?

I think the driving hypothetical is a straw man. Should we outlaw cough syrup or other medications that impair because someone might drive after taking them. What about people who drive sleepy they are potentially putting me in danger. There are an infinite number of legal activities that when done while driving might put others in danger.

No if they were driving I could see that line drawn, but that wasn't the case.

Let it be known, I do not partake in marijuana usage but if a person makes a decision to use at their residence, to each their own.

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Did they break the law?
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Fresh, not true............

If a person stays away from temptation, that temptation cannot consume them...........

We do control our actions...........


My favorite saying, outside the one in my tagline, is "you do you and I'll do me".

You're right, we do control our actions, me mine and you yours. If someone else wants to dance with temptation, that is on them.

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The name on the front of the jersey is what's important, not the name on the back. If you're in a high profile business where your public actions affect the perception of the business I wonder how this plays out?
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So, MadDog, did they break the law?
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Did they break the law?


Obviously. But so does the guy that drives too fast in the rain and the teenager texting and driving.

If this player was "Molly from Marist", a thread never gets started on this forum. But since it's a Fagan and it's Auburn it's an opportunity to push an agenda.

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So, MadDog, did they break the law?


They did and they will pay whatever consequence is dished out. You don't have to pay the consequence.

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I haven't read all of the posts because there are so many. But I see where some people are almost giving them a pass. Saying 'weed is the same as alcohol' 'weed shouldn't be illegal'. While I'm not here to argue that, I am upset that laws are being broken. If my spouse was arrested for anything like this, the university would be looking for a new coach. Shouldn't the student-athlete be held responsible just as much as the coaches are? How out of control can a program be before the AD says 'Gotta go' to the HC. If your ASSOCIATE HEAD COACH who is your blood relative is messing around with players and now you have players getting arrested. It's all ethical and/or illegal.
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MadDog, I do have a problem with people who don't think it's a big deal to break the law............

What else will they do?.......No telling.......
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MadDog, I do have a problem with people who don't think it's a big deal to break the law............

What else will they do?.......No telling.......



I am willing to bet every single person in this thread including you break the law every single day, when you operate your vehicle over the speed limit.

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MadDog, I do have a problem with people who don't think it's a big deal to break the law............

What else will they do?.......No telling.......


But that is their decision to make, they suffer the consequences.

To me the issue isn't that they are breaking the law, that is clear. My problem is that you took what they did, added driving to it, to make it the crime bigger and how it affects more people.

Three college kids sitting around a house getting high is not the same as driving under the influence.

Talk about the crime committed not the potential crimes that might be committed.


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I am willing to bet every single person in this thread including you break the law every single day, when you operate your vehicle over the speed limit.


But, that's usually not a misdemeanor.
I just wonder when the other 2 players who were involved and the video looking like a Cheech and Chong movie they sent out on social media comes to light?
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But, that's usually not a misdemeanor.
I just wonder when the other 2 players who were involved and the video looking like a Cheech and Chong movie they sent out on social media comes to light?


But it's breaking the law.....what else will they do? To quote Bluedog

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So with that logic Bama, let's all go out and have relations with our employees, drink and drive, break every law known to man and sweep it under the rug.Heck, why have laws? Let's just get rid of all laws since we break them anyway..😒.
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So with that logic Bama, let's all go out and have relations with our employees, drink and drive, break every law known to man and sweep it under the rug.Heck, why have laws? Let's just get rid of all laws since we break them anyway..😒.



Streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetch

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Jesus people.

Why are you all arguing morality? Just stick with the facts of this matter.

The fact is that these women broke team rules. Their punishment, vis a vis Auburn softball, should be commensurate with the policies already set forth. Their punishment, vis a vis, the law should be commensurate with the policies already set forth. 

The rest is just silly arguing on a computer forum.

thanks 3LT

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Regardless of whether pot is/isn't, should be/shouldn't be legal isn't really the issue with me. As someone else pointed out, it's the issue of following rules.

It makes me wonder about what kind of punishment, if any, will be metted out. This is something to think about. Looking back, I wonder how many "small" and "very minor" incidents were overlooked or swept away (which occurs at many schools, not all). I know someone may say "what difference does that make?". IMHO, it can make a lot of difference.  Let's assume that all situations, regardless of degree or level of danger/situation were handled with a somewhat "Iron" hand at Baylor, they probably (who knows, really) may not find themselves in their former/current situation. Very easy to dismiss things as minor, but overlooking them can lead to very serious and negative consequences ahead. Jus' my opinion.
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Every year Compliance sits down with Student Athletes of all D1 schools and discuss things like drug use and other ways the Athletes could break the rules and get in trouble. This Fagan kid got what she deserved, she broke the rules and broke the law. I will tell you that if you think this is an isolated incident just on an Auburn team, I got a bridge I'd like to sell you. Students drink, smoke pot, sleep around, you name it. It's whether you get caught or not. I think the atmosphere at Auburn is suspect to say the least and I believe it starts at the top. Meyers is probably a hands off guy leaving the heavy lifting to his sons and the players are rough and tumble types who got on a roll. If one of my kids got into a shoving match with another coach I would have been all over that. But she was empowered and didn't care enough to keep her indiscretions under control.
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