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GrizzlyFan

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Grizz I wouldn't want to burst your illusion of me...hate away.  Your party is suffering because of this very focus I hope you realize that?  No one wants to take away the right to bear arms.  No one wants to change the constitution.  We are asking for reasonable changes for what guns are legal and what are not legal.  The more your group pushes for guns in schools and displays guns in public the more most of our society will want these restrictions tightened.  You walk around in public with your SEMI automatic weapon and someone will be walking around with a sign of pictures of the 20 innocent 6 six year olds that paid the price for your fragrant disregard to the safety of the rest of us!  This is a battle people are ready to have right now.  It's time to listen to what is being said and consider compromise on this issue...but I have little hope for that....so the consequences will be hard on you!


Mass Air, you are so ignorant. Why don't you look up crime stats where conceal and carry is legal? Then compare those stats to places like Chicago or New York where guns laws are very strict.
Why is it that crime rates in Florida dropped when gun laws were relaxed. The only place in Florida where crime increased was around the airport. Are you smart enough to figure that out? Probably not, so I will tell you. Punks and thugs would wait outside the rental car places at the Miami airport waiting for people to drive out. They would then follow them, bump them with their car, and when they got out to exchange info for the accident, the thugs would rob them. Guess why.... because they knew those people coming from the airport would be UNARMED!! 
Tell me Mass Air, what will you do when someone breaks into your house at night and your kids are sleeping down the hall? Call 911 and wait? Good luck.
People like me who you loathe are deterrents to criminals. The very fact that a potential robber, rapist, or burglar doesn't know if it is a gun packing hay seed like me living there, is what deters them from breaking into houses like yours. So from all of us gun packing rednecks to all of your pacifist wussies, YOUR WELCOME. 

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No fear of added foramina. Can duck like Neo/no other.

My love of Tillamook runs amok. "A brick a week", makes the doctor's knees weak.


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Pretty cheesy my friend.  By the way, did you notice we have Dan Aykroyd as a UCS member?
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My love of Tillamook runs amok. "A brick a week", makes the doctor's knees weak.



I just visited the "little" creamery in Tillamook, OR on my Christmas vacation to Portland.  Definitely a top highlight of 2012 for me.  Brought back $90 of cheese from there, my checked luggage was 1 pound under maximum


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kiir- Me thinks that the itinerary for long motorcycle rides just got an added destination. When we've passed through Oregon, could never get the the family to buy into the side trip to see that milk being churned. The saddle bags on the bike won't hold much, but maybe I can sit a spell and stow some on the rider.


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...did you notice we have Dan Aykroyd as a UCS member?


Did he post in the musical thread?

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mikec

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I heard today that more people are murdered each year with hammers than with rifles.

Will a ban on hammers be included in the VP's recommendations?

As for guns in schools - I will repeat - my kids have always had a School Resource Officer in their schools. SRO's are part of the school system police, and are accredited LEO's.

They find the whole debate laughable, because they've never known anything else.

In middle school, the SRO stopped a kid who was in the process of lining up his mason jars full of gas, ready to light them and toss into the courtyard at his classmates. The SRO was stabbed in a scuffle, but certainly saved many lives.

Why are the liberals so against having an SRO in school? I just don't get it. At our schools, they make a real effort to get to know all of the kids. One of my daughters was being harassed, and I called the SRO. He visited with the kid, and told him to knock it off, as he was teetering on the edge of the law. It stopped immediately.

Again - why is it so bad to have SRO's in schools?


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Bill - I think I heard Dan call Jane an ignorant ______.
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Assume everyone is packing and a couple of dudes break into fisticuffs.  After a moment, one of the two becomes overpowering and the other one shoots him in self defense.  The shooter was beginning to lose big time and feared for his life.  Fair?  Will these incidents become more commonplace in a society with everyone carrying a weapon?  Nevermind, I'm out again.  
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Grizz I am sorry if I offended you..I would not want to do that. Please understand where I am coming from...we had a lockdown drill today at school...my kiddos were scared! I do not own a gun nor would I take up a weapon to defend myself. I am sure you will not understand my view. I love my job and advocating for nonviolence is part of what I teach. It is what it is for me. But I really do want a viable alternative to the Democratic Party because I feel our country is stronger when this is the case. I am very disappointed in the direction your party is taking! Seriously ...wake up...!!
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Assume everyone is packing and a couple of dudes break into fisticuffs.  After a moment, one of the two becomes overpowering and the other one shoots him in self defense.  The shooter was beginning to lose big time and feared for his life.  Fair?  Will these incidents become more commonplace in a society with everyone carrying a weapon?  Nevermind, I'm out again.  


Dewey, if two "dudes" are packing, I seriously doubt a fist fight would break out. You libs are so out of touch with reality. Enjoy your little box of perfect naivety.

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masare, you are talking about an issue that is not clear cut down party lines.  All democrats are not pacifists and afraid of guns like you and dewey.  There are some democrats that are some pretty big gun toters themselves.  So it is gun owners you have a problem with on this subject, not the republican party
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Grizz I am sorry if I offended you..I would not want to do that. Please understand where I am coming from...we had a lockdown drill today at school...my kiddos were scared! I do not own a gun nor would I take up a weapon to defend myself. I am sure you will not understand my view. I love my job and advocating for nonviolence is part of what I teach. It is what it is for me. But I really do want a viable alternative to the Democratic Party because I feel our country is stronger when this is the case. I am very disappointed in the direction your party is taking! Seriously ...wake up...!!


Again ignorance is bliss. You and your liberal friends are in denial to the fact that evil does exist. You don't stop shooting by passing gun laws. You stop shootings by shooting the evil person before he kills innocent people. As I said before, all of the most recent mass shootings have happened in "gun free" zones. Laws only effect those who abide by them.
As for the direction MY party is taking this country, I don't know if you have been asleep for the last 4 years but YOUR party has been at the wheel. This country at the direction of liberals has increased government dependency adding 15 million to welfare, increased debt adding 6 trillion to the debt, median income has gone down by $3500 per household, added 9 million to disability, and there are less people working today than there were 4 years ago. Seriously....wake up!!

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Kir, I know plenty of gun owners who are worried about guns in America. They want gun restrictions. Both republicans and democrats...but the republicans seem to think it is a threat to the constitution. Grizz..you seem to be okay with your position...good luck!
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Masare, people are flooding stores, buying every AR-15, every high capacity magazine they can find. Buying bulk cases (1000 rounds a case in ammo for their AR-15s). They are buying up semi auto pistols, and ammo. There are over 1 million 30 round AR-15 magazines on back order. I was doing electrical work at an indoor shooting range, and from the time I got there, till I left 7 hours later, there was a traffic jam of people, waiting on the street to pull into the parking lot. There were 40 people taking a CHL class, and at least 40-50 others waiting to shoot on the pistol ranges. There were old people, young people, and what I thought most interesting, lots of older and younger women shooting pistols, more of them than men. Not a bunch of Bubbas after all, go figure. In my State, I would put your odds of coming into contact with a person carrying a weapon on them or in their car at almost 40/60. If that person is driving a truck, the percentage jumps. We have a pretty polite society here. Care to guess why?
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Dewey, if two "dudes" are packing, I seriously doubt a fist fight would break out. You libs are so out of touch with reality. Enjoy your little box of perfect naivety.


I'm not naive.  Maybe I'm just punch drunk because I'm not packing.
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Are cops in schools not common in the rest of the country? We've lived in 2 states, and they both have them. Why are some of you scared of this?



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Assume everyone is packing and a couple of dudes break into fisticuffs.  After a moment, one of the two becomes overpowering and the other one shoots him in self defense.  The shooter was beginning to lose big time and feared for his life.  Fair?  Will these incidents become more commonplace in a society with everyone carrying a weapon?  Nevermind, I'm out again.  
In Arizona you can only use equal force, Exampleewey and  Grizzly meet on the street Dewey starts punching away Griz can only match force which means only fist no gun, Hand Grenades or Rocket launcher. Also if you instigate a fight an pull a gun when things go bad you are committing a felony.

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As you define it a 250 lb meathead throwing blows on a 150 lb guy there is no way there is " equal force " being used. If I was the 150 lb guy a nice 9 mm would definitely equal things out.
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So, if you've ever taken an anti-depressant, then you are not qualified to own a gun?  Are you kidding me?  How about the millions of women who struggled with post-partum depression, who are well past it now?  There are many examples.

Again - hammers kill more people than rifles.  Do we have to have medical checks to buy tools now?

I wonder too if these health records are self-reported, or if the government will now have the ability to look into your medical records (READ: Another erosion of rights - hence the secession question).

Last - none of the liberals have answered the question about SRO's in schools.  It works, and works well - what is the philosophical issue with SRO's in schools?  Would that not stop much of this?
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Universal healthcare will result in govt access to all medical records.  That is one of Obamacares objectives.  Gives power of govt over the individual!
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Universal healthcare will result in govt access to all medical records.  That is one of Obamacares objectives.  Gives power of govt over the individual!


I shoudl have added this to the socialist thing in the other thread.  Incorporated herein by reference.
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wolfpackfan and spazsdad - Thanks for the response but I'm still curious if you believe there will be more shootings and trials, as a result of various confrontations, fistfights, etc., if people are all carrying concealed weapons or do you believe there will there be less.  The argument on your side is it will be a safer America is everyone is packing.  Let me remind you, I'm not advocating denying people the right to carry weapons but questioning the suggestion there will be less shootings if everyone were armed.  Is a completely armed America safer or would there be more shooting deaths.

PS:  I had the Florida incident in mind with my analogy.  The bigger guy shot the little guy once he was overpowered.  How would Arizona law have applied to this incident?
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Masare, Diet Coke, Dewey, Cal..Sox, Dinger, et al -

Would any of you care to answer why it is undesirable to have a cop in every school?  Are you so afraid of guns, that even police are not allowed to carry them, just criminals?
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PS:  I had the Florida incident in mind with my analogy.  The bigger guy shot the little guy once he was overpowered.  How would Arizona law have applied to this incident?


I don't think you, or anyone, knows exactly what happened in the FL case.  We know the defendant got out of his car (big mistake, I think we most agree), there was a scuffle, and then the defendant shot the deceased.

Outside of that, there is significant conflicting witness accounts (note:  not testimony, because we saw in this case how the media edits the accounts, tapes, and evidence to try to convict the guy before his trial).

I think we need to let this play out.
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mikec - You are absolutely right.  The question is, if everyone is packing, will more fisticuffs result in shootings?  GrizzlyFan said everyone packing will put and end to fisticuffs.  If I would have said this, you guys would have ridiculed me to no end.  I think if everyone is packing, there will be significantly more shootings and America would not be a safer place.

PS:  I answered your question in another thread.  If schools want cops to patrol their campus, it's OK with me.
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I don't think taking away rifles or clips that hold 12 instead of 9 rounds make any difference in your scenarios.

I think that is the issue.
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I don't think taking away rifles or clips that hold 12 instead of 9 rounds make any difference in your scenarios. I think that is the issue.


I didn't try to present any scenarios but let me say this.  I have absolutely no proof that the banning of any hand grenades, machine guns, or whatever, has saved one life in this Country.  Doesn't change one thing for me.
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"I didn't try to present any scenarios but let me say this.  I have absolutely no proof that the banning of any hand grenades, machine guns, or whatever, have saved one life in this Country.  Doesn't change one thing to me. "

Finally, something we agree on.
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