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keepinitreal

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Well, sure blows a hole in that Dewey talking point.




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"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Well, sure blows a hole in that Dem talking point.



http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/08/dem-ordered-study-to-expose-illegal-online-gun-sales-backfires.amp.html

Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., as well as Sens. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., and Brian Schatz, D-Hawaii, had commissioned the Government Accountability Office report to look into how online private dealers might be selling guns to people not allowed to have them. 

Their efforts were based on a 2016 report from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), which claimed that “anonymity of the internet makes it an ideal means for prohibited individuals to obtain illegal firearms.”

“Congressional requesters asked that GAO access the extent to which ATF is enforcing existing laws and investigate whether online private sellers sell firearms to be people who are not allowed or eligible to possess a firearm,” the GAO report said.


Over the course of the two-and-a-half year investigation, agents tried to buy firearms illegally on the “Surface Web” and the “Dark Web,” generally by sharing their status as “prohibited individuals” or trying to buy across state lines.

But the GAO revealed that their 72 attempts outside of the dark web were all “unsuccessful.”

“Private sellers on Surface Web gun forums and in classified ads were unwilling to sell a firearm to our agents that self-identified as being prohibited from possessing a firearm,” the GAO reported, noting that in their “72 attempts ... 56 sellers refused to complete a transaction once we revealed that either the shipping address was across state lines or that we were prohibited by law from owning firearms.” In the other cases, the investigators' website was frozen or they encountered suspected scammers. 

On the dark web, GAO agents successfully purchased two guns illegally, as the serial numbers on the weapons were “obliterated” and “shipped across state lines.” But in the attempt to purchase, the GAO agents “did not disclose any information indicating they were prohibited from possessing a firearm.”

Based on the findings of the study, the GAO said it is “not making recommendations in this report.”

Cummings, Warren and Schatz did not immediately respond to Fox News’ request for comment on the GAO’s findings.


https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/688535.pdf


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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
spazsdad

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But what about the gun show loophole? I keep going to them hoping to find that elusive unicorn
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BillSmith

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Recently read a report tracking firearms purchased at gun shows being involved in crimes. Number so low as to be statistically insignificant.

All reports tell the same story. Bad guys don't follow rules. If we apply the same logic as marijuana laws, we should remove impediments to gun ownership.

 


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Clingers cling

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Originally Posted by Fresh
"before the election a d Iowa sId hi.self that there was nothing to it"
WTF?
BillSmith

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I've spoke as to the need for more than a 'hunting rifle' to defend oneself when confronted by a SWAT team. Here's a guy that was completely innocent, that is now dead because of a tragic prank. Perhaps better he tossed a hand grenade than open the front door?

Police shoot man dead after alleged Call of Duty SWATTING hoax


Suspect charged with Manslaughter

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Never open the door. Call 911 and establish contact, call the local TV, call an attorney. If swat shows up, they are there to breach and kill, not do an interview. Unfortunately it's what they do for a living.
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Jane you ignorant slut. Keep your booger hook of the bang switch, you stupid Socialist. 

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UWa what’s up...
WA attorney general trying to ban “large capacity” magazines and place more restrictions on owning the scary black guns.

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UWa what’s up... WA attorney general trying to ban “large capacity” magazines and place more restrictions on owning the scary black guns.

Yeah we fixin the f' ourselves snuggly right in behind Cal. 

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Originally Posted by Fresh
"before the election a d Iowa sId hi.self that there was nothing to it"
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BillSmith
I've spoke as to the need for more than a 'hunting rifle' to defend oneself when confronted by a SWAT team. Here's a guy that was completely innocent, that is now dead because of a tragic prank. Perhaps better he tossed a hand grenade than open the front door?

Police shoot man dead after alleged Call of Duty SWATTING hoax


Suspect charged with Manslaughter


Bill only. If you want to answer.
How do you feel about seat belts? Have quite a few instances where seat belts probably caused a trapped driver to be killed, however, they are necessary for general automobile safety.
Do you really think this civilian had one chance in hell against a Swat team? What weaponry would have been necessary for you to have fought off this swat team?

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keepinitreal

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Welcome back from hissy fit limbo, that wasn't so bad, only 5 days.  I knew that you weren't gone.  Glad rudy talked you off the ledge, we need more entertainment, dewy is so repetitive
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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Nah, snowing here and I had nothing better to do. I'll check back in if it happens again. Told you I'd check back in and make your day. I own you.
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keepinitreal

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Yes, yes you do.  You and rudy can fight over me, I'm flattered.  You actually said you'd return if I apologized, so who owns who mr. hissy fit?
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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Is that an apology?
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keepinitreal

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Fukk no pinhead
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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Seat belts should not be compulsory. But that is a global view I have of all 'nanny' attempts.

If seat belts are deemed essential, why would we allow citizens to ride motorcycles? Classica cars are exempt. Allow choice.

For years, kids were not strapped in school buses. Why? Too costly. Too difficult to manage. Where's the consistency? When belts came to buses, lap belts. Are you aware of the spinal injuries caused in low MPH accidents by lap belts? Numerous cases finally tilted the scales of insurance carriers' actuary tables and ended the cheap route.

Knee jerks, nanny makes a rule. I'm not a fan of the procedure. Choice is my preference. And you say they are necessary for general automotive safety. In all of my years of driving--and I do a lot--have never had the seat belt engage or a air bag deploy. Never. Think of all the money I've wasted.

Are seat belts combined with air bags safer. Sure. So would be a roll cage and helmet. There must be a tipping point. You and yours should be allowed to find your level of safety. Allow me mine. Understand that economy of scale favors your view forcing me to follow the herd. To include in every car makes devices cheaper and insurance lower.

But that lack of choice isn't very...American. Isn't your party about the right to choose? Choice. I see, only where it fits the narrative of the speaker.

Regarding weaponry, enough to stop a police force from being offensive-minded. Speak softly from inside, but have the threat of a big stick.

And you've made my point. Given the militarization of our police forces, the average citizen has no chance to repel a misguided band of any group. Drug cartel, crazed political protesters, thieves or even those charged with protecting We The People.

Specifically? A hand grenade. Toss, talk, repeat. Until peace is achieved. Unless in Los Angeles and those urban areas where SWAT teams have armored cars. Then the citizen will need a bazooka. Not to actually use, just to slow an aggressor's roll.

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Nah, snowing here and I had nothing better to do. I'll check back in if it happens again. Told you I'd check back in and make your day. I own you.

really make our day and brrring back kpi.  

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Originally Posted by Fresh
"before the election a d Iowa sId hi.self that there was nothing to it"
WTF?
keepinitreal

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KPI owns us
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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Originally Posted by Fresh
"before the election a d Iowa sId hi.self that there was nothing to it"
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Seat belts should not be compulsory. But that is a global view I have of all 'nanny' attempts.

If seat belts are deemed essential, why would we allow citizens to ride motorcycles? I guess you just kill yourself on a bike. Where would the shoulder strap go? Classica cars are exempt. Probably would destroy the collector's desire to keep everything "as was". Probably government allowing a small segmental anomaly. Allow choice. No problem for me as long as you are the only one impacted.

For years, kids were not strapped in school buses. Why? Too costly. Too difficult to manage. Where's the consistency? When belts came to buses, lap belts. Are you aware of the spinal injuries caused in low MPH accidents by lap belts? Numerous cases finally tilted the scales of insurance carriers' actuary tables and ended the cheap route. Progress is sometimes a slow process, driven by errors in judgement. Doesn't make the end result any less appropriate.

Knee jerks, nanny makes a rule. I'm not a fan of the procedure. Choice is my preference. And you say they are necessary for general automotive safety. In all of my years of driving--and I do a lot--have never had the seat belt engage or a air bag deploy. Never. Think of all the money I've wasted. Not that lucky. Been there, have children and relatives that have been saved by air bags and/or seat belts. Is one life worth.......well, how many lives to make seat belts a legitimate concern?

Are seat belts combined with air bags safer. Sure. So would be a roll cage and helmet. There must be a tipping point. You and yours should be allowed to find your level of safety. Allow me mine. Understand that economy of scale favors your view forcing me to follow the herd. To include in every car makes devices cheaper and insurance lower.

But that lack of choice isn't very...American. Isn't your party about the right to choose? Choice. I see, only where it fits the narrative of the speaker. I don't really have a party. I personally like dems better, but have many ways that are contrary to democrat ideology.

Regarding weaponry, enough to stop a police force from being offensive-minded. Speak softly from inside, but have the threat of a big stick.

And you've made my point. Given the militarization of our police forces, the average citizen has no chance to repel a misguided band of any group. Drug cartel, crazed political protesters, thieves or even those charged with protecting We The People. I think I missed my point then. My point was you would have NO chance, regardless the number of weapons a citizen could reasonably possess. Excessive numbers of weapons would put you more at risk of death. This was a mistake......right? I doubt you live in a neighborhood where drug cartels rule. If you do, moving is my advice.

Specifically? A hand grenade. Toss, talk, repeat. Until peace is achieved. Unless in Los Angeles and those urban areas where SWAT teams have armored cars. Then the citizen will need a bazooka. Not to actually use, just to slow an aggressor's roll.


Thanks. Your thoughts and not an attempt to discredit the questioner. We don't agree on much, but I appreciate your ability to stay on point. 

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Freshy has a new tack.  "I like some".  She is looking for her Lindsay Graham. 
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Originally Posted by Fresh
"before the election a d Iowa sId hi.self that there was nothing to it"
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Freshy has a new tack.  "I like some".  She is looking for her Lindsay Graham. 


I have chosen not to respond to sh1thouse posts.

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I have chosen not to respond to sh1thouse posts.

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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Isn't it supposed to be sh1thole?  Where did sh1thouse come from? Was there a memo?
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Isn't it supposed to be sh1thole?  Where did sh1thouse come from? Was there a memo?

CNN wore sh1thole plain out.  Everyone is stuck moving to something new. 

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Originally Posted by Fresh
"before the election a d Iowa sId hi.self that there was nothing to it"
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CNN wore sh1thole plain out.  Everyone is stuck moving to something new. 


I'm always the last to know.

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Columbine Shooting Survivor Introduces Bill To Allow Teachers To Carry Guns In Schools


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The creator of the gun free zone.   And a reminder that 98% of mass shootings occur in gun free zones.


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Originally Posted by Fresh
"before the election a d Iowa sId hi.self that there was nothing to it"
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Backstage getting prepped: 

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"before the election a d Iowa sId hi.self that there was nothing to it"
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