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Freshy can give you approval.  Freshy, go ahead give woody the official approval.
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CCW reciprocity is a slick law.  It says Richard Hudson R-NC was the sponsor.  Nice incremental approach to gain some ground on the gun grabbers.
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CCW reciprocity is a slick law.  It says Richard Hudson R-NC was the sponsor.  Nice incremental approach to gain some ground on the gun grabbers.




Not sold on the fix NCIS attached to it though.

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Not sold on the fix NCIS attached to it though.

Prager talked about this other day when I was driving the dog to the park.  Caller expressed concerns.  Prager said in NCIS clause there is an easy appeal process and fines for government entities to maintain accurate lists.  He argued that it was a good tradeoff to keep guys like the Sutherland Springs church shooter on the no buy list, while giving citizens some process to appeal if they are on this list inaccurately.

I have not looked much further at it than listening to those comments.

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Congressman Massie:


The bill encourages administrative agencies, not the courts, to submit more names to a national database that will determine whether you can or can’t obtain a firearm. When President Obama couldn’t get Congress to pass gun control, he implemented a strategy of compelling, through administrative rules, the Veterans Administration and the Social Security Administration to submit lists of veterans and seniors, many of whom never had a day in court, to be included in the NICS database of people prohibited from owning a firearm. Only a state court, a federal (article III) court, or a military court, should ever be able to suspend your rights for any significant period of time. Does the NICS background check system have problems? Yes, it results in tens of thousands of unjustified denials of gun purchases every year. But like many bills in Congress, the fix-NICS doesn’t live up to its name – it will likely do the opposite. It throws millions of dollars at a faulty program and it will result in more law-abiding citizens being deprived of their right to keep and bear arms.

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Definitely some concerns in the  National Instant Check System NICS.

NRA supports the bill.  Saying this about NICS parts: 

"The bill also makes improvements to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, NICS. All Americans, including law-abiding gun owners, agree that violent criminals should not have legal access to firearms. However, the system is only as good as its records, and recent events have shown that sometimes the correct information is not entered into the system. This bill incentivizes states and government agencies to update the NICS with legitimate records of prohibited persons.

Additionally, the bill creates an expedited process for removing records that are erroneously put in the system. Currently, when a person discovers they have been wrongly added to the NICS, it can take up to a year to get their name removed. This bill requires a response to an appeal within 60 days."

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20171206/house-passes-concealed-carry-reciprocity

This echoed what Prager was saying.






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https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/texas/articles/2017-12-07/customer-fatally-shoots-robber-at-san-antonio-restaurant


SAN ANTONIO (AP) — Police say a father eating with his family at a fast food restaurant in San Antonio fatally shot a robber who threatened his family with a gun.

Police Capt. Michael Starnes told the San Antonio Express-News that the robber died at the scene Wednesday evening.

San Antonio police Sgt. Roy Miller says the gunman threatened the father and restaurant employees and the employees ran out the back of the restaurant. The gunman demanded money and, when the father refused, the gunman turned his weapon toward the man's family. At that point, the father, who is licensed to carry a firearm, pulled out his own gun and fired.

Starnes says the father isn't facing charges and that he "really saved the day and protected a lot of people."


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That's Gun Control
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You F around with people in Texas, and pull out a gun, you are taking a big chance. There is a very high probability that one or more of the group of people you are assaulting are armed, and well trained in the use of a firearm. Nobody is putting up with thugs and violent behavior anymore. The judicial system is a revolving door, releasing violent criminals on the public. The cops can't stop them, the judicial system won't lock them away. People are well armed and defending themselves, their loved ones, and their property from violent criminals.
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https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/texas/articles/2017-12-07/customer-fatally-shoots-robber-at-san-antonio-restaurant


SAN ANTONIO (AP) — Police say a father eating with his family at a fast food restaurant in San Antonio fatally shot a robber who threatened his family with a gun.

Police Capt. Michael Starnes told the San Antonio Express-News that the robber died at the scene Wednesday evening.

San Antonio police Sgt. Roy Miller says the gunman threatened the father and restaurant employees and the employees ran out the back of the restaurant. The gunman demanded money and, when the father refused, the gunman turned his weapon toward the man's family. At that point, the father, who is licensed to carry a firearm, pulled out his own gun and fired.

Starnes says the father isn't facing charges and that he "really saved the day and protected a lot of people."



Obama and Pelosi hate this guy
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Add Fresh to that list.  Bill and I both saw his anti-gun post
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A dyed in the wool lib let their truth slip out in a vodka-cran induced stupor. Total gun confiscation is the goal.
Why does Dewey lie about this

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Tis the season, that makes the season complete.  Fires, dewy flaming and  large ammo show of force
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Here is a little trivia question regarding CCW in LA County.
LA County has a little over 10 million residents. Any one care to guess how many CCW permits are issued?
No cheating, just take a guess

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lol I just was reading that. 
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I would guess really low.  Couple of hundred. 

I think San Diego county and LA county both passed provisions that CCWs are not issued merely for connivence of the gun owner.  They then proceeded to put an onerous process in for CCW application.  Which seemed to start with a required appointment at the police department.  And those appointments had massive backlogs to get setup, something like 1 year at one point.

There was a 2014 9th circuit ruling that undid much of this silliness.  Applications skyrocked to 2400 in 6 months.  Later in 2016 the 9th circuit reheard the case, and reinstated the right of these counties to create these onerous CCW permit processes.  This 2016 rehearing of the case happened without San Diego requesting it be heard. 

On June 26th, 2017 the supreme court decided not to take the case on review.  Conservatives argued that it was an important case and should be reviewed.  Libs on the court appeared to argue that since the onerous processes for CCW permit were reduced for much of 2014 and 2015 that Peruta could have gotten his CCW during that period with little impediment from the government.  

Very dopey lawyer shenanigans.   What needs to happen is another citizen of San Diego county or LA county is going to have to take this back up through the court systems.  There is actually funding from the NRA and other organizations to help cover fees.  But it is still a lot of work for someone to bring one of these cases.

The Peruta case seem to be way to focused on Peruta being restricted.  They should have made the broader argument that citizens rights were being restricted, of which Peruta is one example.  Should also have argued that what San Diego and LA are doing is in direct violation of Hellar.  Thomas laid out the construct of the next case in his dissent of the review.   "The court in Heller emphasized that "self-defense" is "the central component of the [Second Amendment] right itself".  A properly constructed case would not have ran afoul of these lawyerly shenanigans by the left.

This new case should be a new case that is started post the June 26, 2017 supreme court refusal to review.

It seems what San Diego and LA county are both doing is using this appointment scheduling to throttle/stall gun applications.  Since the amount of delay will greatly increase or decrease based on the number of requests at that time. 

What is needed here is for someone to round up about 1000 CCW applicants.  Have them all apply at the same time.  Let one of the later people applying be the person willing to bring the case.  When they call and get a CCW application appointment date 5 years out, bring the case that this is effectively, for all practicial purposes a solid denial of your second amendment right.   

On gun rights, it really seems the left is doing a good job of suppressing people from asserting their rights in places like San Diego and LA.  

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In the state of Washington we have open carry and CCW which is pretty easy.  The left loves to come up with 'safe' spaces and declare areas where they believe they can supress gun rights.  This goes beyond the UW campus.  For instance the city tried to declare WestLake plaza, where most of the riots, antifia, communist worker party rallies start as a no gun zone.

There are these gun activists about 20 of them. I know 2 through some mutual friends.  They routinely show up to these locations.  They always open carry, so they will not lose their CCW license.   It is rather dicey business.  As antifa is whack jobs and would definitely pull some bullspit like attack these guys just to get shot. 

They are impeccably trained.  Their weapons are impeccably kept fully legal beyond any question.  They check everything with a lawyer.  Magazine sizes, rail lengths, scope construction/red dot, trigger pressure.  A lawyer that is also a gunsmith is really good at this and does these checks.  

Antifa, being the dip5hits they are, assumes these guys are there to intimidate them.  Not true at all.  You will always see these guys at the extreme fringe of any gathering, always huddled around each other, never ever engaging the rest of the crowd.  So antifa decides to get their own weapons guys and start showing up with guys that are open carrying weapons.  hahaha They are actually now asserting the right for us.   The original 20 rarely have to show up.  People do go to these gatherings and take pictures of the open carry antifa guys, just to make sure that right is getting asserted regularly.

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My DD is relocating her family to the Dallas area. I being the doting father am concerned. I called a family member with law enforcement connections to research the area they were looking at moving into. He gave a thumbs up. DD and the husband were driving the block where they signed a lease agreement on a house, and saw a young couple with a baby in the front yard. They stopped and introduced themselves, and said they were moving in down the block. Asked the couple what they thought of the area, and the people. The guy says, this neighborhood has a lot of good  gun owning Christians living in it. As a Father, I feel much better now.
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https://www.gunbroker.com/item/734600383
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https://www.gunbroker.com/item/734471732
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https://www.gunbroker.com/item/734350180
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http://www.onlythebestfirearms.com/

Enjoy.
Anybody got a spare $30k laying around

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http://www.onlythebestfirearms.com/ Enjoy. Anybody got a spare $30k laying around

I did.  Fu**in IRS!

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NRA sues California over out of state gun ban.

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I hope they beat it. Total BS. Just another liberal feel good do nothing law that only penalized law abiding citizens.
I guess the whole left is made up of people like Dewey who admit they know nothing about guns but don’t hesitate to cry for more laws to save the children

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Much talk by amongst the California firearms community about the latest restrictive laws foisted on citizenry in 2018.

If it wasn't actual law, it'd be funny. Not sure I can relate in short order given my loquacious writing style, but here goes...

For all intents and purposes, California has banned interstate and internet ammo purchases. No longer can a resident of California purchase ammunition online and have it directly shipped to home. Must be routed through a federal firearms licensee. (FFL)

Of course, the FFL would want to tack on a fee. Plus California wants their state sales tax collected. For target shooters that go through thousands of rounds in the competitions and practice sessions, the margin of bulk buying via internet is lessened or eliminated.

Further, California residents are restricted from bringing ammunition purchased in person when out of state. For example, were I to buy some rounds of ammo for my firearms, shoot a little at a range near Reno, NV, could not bring any of it back into California. None.

Even though I have passed the perfunctory test to purchase a firearm in California, I can't buy legal ammunition in another state and bring it back. Why? Because they say so.

But remember, I said it could be funny. Amongst the exclusions to the restrictions, the rule makers tried to add a method for family to gift ammo to immediate family members. So...

The rules are such that a loophole exists. If I want to take advantage of a better price in Nevada for a particular caliber of firearm I might own, need to take the wife. As written, she can buy it and give it to me.

Much debate on the issue, but despite warning of 'straw purchases' which by definition would be buying a firearm and 'gifting' it to another, the ammo regulations have no such language. It is as simple as I have laid it out above. Buy it in Nevada, hand it to me there and say, "Happy Birthday/Valentine's Day" or whatever and legal according to law.

Am sure they will close the 'loophole' some day, but as of today it remains.

The simple ammo vendors, those that do not sell firearms, were caught in a 2018 bit of bureaucratic buffoonery. Change in rule set dictated that new license was required by these ammo-only retailers. All that applied properly and well in advance of deadline were met with a,

"Sorry, we have as yet to process your license. Expect it soon."

But as of Jan. 1st., none were issued. I know Walmart was effected and posted signage explaining the delay. While the DOJ was making expedient steps to provide proper documentation for marijuana sellers, feet were drug-purposely?-on serving the gun community in similar fashion.

Walmart now has their paperwork. Took a few days. But the message clear, more impediments for the citizen that desires to own a gun in California.

And stop posting websites of weapons we can't have here in California. Not even legal in the State of Jefferson.


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Well, sure blows a hole in that Dem talking point.



http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/08/dem-ordered-study-to-expose-illegal-online-gun-sales-backfires.amp.html

Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., as well as Sens. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., and Brian Schatz, D-Hawaii, had commissioned the Government Accountability Office report to look into how online private dealers might be selling guns to people not allowed to have them. 

Their efforts were based on a 2016 report from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), which claimed that “anonymity of the internet makes it an ideal means for prohibited individuals to obtain illegal firearms.”

“Congressional requesters asked that GAO access the extent to which ATF is enforcing existing laws and investigate whether online private sellers sell firearms to be people who are not allowed or eligible to possess a firearm,” the GAO report said.


Over the course of the two-and-a-half year investigation, agents tried to buy firearms illegally on the “Surface Web” and the “Dark Web,” generally by sharing their status as “prohibited individuals” or trying to buy across state lines.

But the GAO revealed that their 72 attempts outside of the dark web were all “unsuccessful.”

“Private sellers on Surface Web gun forums and in classified ads were unwilling to sell a firearm to our agents that self-identified as being prohibited from possessing a firearm,” the GAO reported, noting that in their “72 attempts ... 56 sellers refused to complete a transaction once we revealed that either the shipping address was across state lines or that we were prohibited by law from owning firearms.” In the other cases, the investigators' website was frozen or they encountered suspected scammers. 

On the dark web, GAO agents successfully purchased two guns illegally, as the serial numbers on the weapons were “obliterated” and “shipped across state lines.” But in the attempt to purchase, the GAO agents “did not disclose any information indicating they were prohibited from possessing a firearm.”

Based on the findings of the study, the GAO said it is “not making recommendations in this report.”

Cummings, Warren and Schatz did not immediately respond to Fox News’ request for comment on the GAO’s findings.


https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/688535.pdf


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