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8. Stanford
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I'm confused.  Is this about Stanford or ASU?
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7. Oklahoma
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I'll be interested to see who he has as 5 and 6, assuming 1 through 4 are fairly locked in.  He doesn't agree with the ESPN poll.

My guess is that he'll put Northwestern and Washington in those spots, though he doesn't have DePaul, Missouri or the Beach mentioned either.

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Then again, I may know nothing....

Defending champs, welcome to #6.  

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You have a point as usual, PD.

I guess he's looking at UW as being above ASU and the rest of the Pac 10?  With all of the recent coaching turmoil?  Wow...I'm really surprised.

And that doesn't account for the other mystery guest that will occupy a 1 through 5 spot. 

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6. Arizona State
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You have a point as usual, PD.

I guess he's looking at UW as being above ASU and the rest of the Pac 10?  With all of the recent coaching turmoil?  Wow...I'm really surprised.

And that doesn't account for the other mystery guest that will occupy a 1 through 5 spot. 

I can see why he would put Washington up there. Danielle Lawrie is the best returning pitcher in the Pac 10 and Ashley Charters is coming off of surgury. This team was built for National Championship runs in 2009 and 2010.


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 So can I UMass. So who do you think the final 5 are? My picks are this:

  1. Florida
  2. Washington
  3. Alabama
  4. Northwestern
  5. UCLA
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That sounds about right. I'd expect to see Northwestern at 5 and UCLA at 4. Right now I think Florida, Alabama, and Washington are a little above the rest, but it will be interesting to see how they perform in the Cathedral City Classic.


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5. Northwestern
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Is this about Northwestern or Lauren Lappin.  This guy just keeps doing it.  Maybe he should have put the Lappin interview in the Staford write up and taken the Donnenwirth comments from the Stanford write up and put them with ASU.  There is a disparity in the analysis of many of these teams.
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Who else is talking about softball at a national level in January?

That's what I thought. Graham is an asset to the softball community and you should be greatful there's anything about anyone and not criticizing.

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Who else is talking about softball at a national level in January?

That's what I thought. Graham is an asset to the softball community and you should be greatful there's anything about anyone and not criticizing.



It's nice to read some of his articles but he isn't immune to criticism either.  Is he going to interview Tebow for the Florida column?
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GR Eagle, you get it.
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Who else is talking about softball at a national level in January?

That's what I thought. Graham is an asset to the softball community and you should be greatful there's anything about anyone and not criticizing.

I've found that if you're not being criticized, you're not being followed.   As usual, Graham continues to impress me with his insight and ways to keep information fresh for the non-traditional softball fan.
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Who else is talking about softball at a national level in January?

That's what I thought. Graham is an asset to the softball community and you should be greatful there's anything about anyone and not criticizing.


NESoftball, you get it.  Wanabe would criticize ice cream for melting.

Actually, in the Stanford article, Mr. Hays points out how a top of the line freshman can help lead to a NC, (Donnenwirth for ASU in 2008).  He segues into Stanford's freshman Ashley Hansen, (maybe one of this year's best first year position players), and what she may mean to the Cardinals in 2009.

In the Northwestern article, he is interviewing the assistant coach, (Lappin), who happens to be a Stanford grad.  He asks about her duties as an assistant coach as well as her impressions of this year's senior players.  Of course, he also inquires into why she pursued coaching and how a west coast girl ended up at Northwestern.  Perfectly legitimate discussion for a writer who is simply ranking teams for the beginning of the 2009 collegiate softball season.   
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Wanabe would criticize ice cream for melting.

And Dewey would lap it up.

Dewey, you are free to disagree with me, but don't stoop to personalizing it.  A forum is an opportunity to among other things, express opinions, even if critical of melting ice cream.

I don't think much of Hayes coverage or his writing.  Just because he gives softball exposure, which I am all for, I don't relinquish my right to criticize.  The Stanford story sadly makes no reference to the graduated seniors and the issue of back up for Penna.  Analyzing Northwestern and its preseason placement has little to do with Lappin.  Is a Lappin interview interesting, yes.  Do it separately.
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Wanabe,

Recently, you suggested my posts were akin to "torture".  If a little humorous criticizing is personalizing it, then I guess we are both guilty.

I applaud UMassFan for linking Mr. Hays columns as I too have done on several occasions.  I especially applaud WhatdoIknow for "pinning" a thread dedicated entirely to these columns.  I understand and appreciate the increased awareness this writer is bringing to the sport in general and, in a roundabout way, bringing to this forum too.  How can it be anything but a good thing?  Hopefully, the vast majority of softball fans feel equally excited about an ESPN writer dedicated to writing about our beloved sport.

No, I'm not trying to quash your right to criticize.  But in these two articles, in my opinion, the reach appeared extreme to find something to criticize.  If comments like yours succeeded, in any way, to silence Mr. Hays coverage, or the linking of such coverage in this forum, we'd be the poorer for it.  For that reason alone, I'll continue to champion Graham's articles on softball and reserve my right to counter the criticisms of others when necessary.  My apologies if what little humor I can conjure up these days came off as offensive.

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I know it hurts to wait. Here's some advise to the impatient...

D-2 starts Feb. 1st.

We try harder.

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Wanabe,

Recently, you suggested my posts were akin to "torture".  OK, not torture, just harsh treatment If a little humorous criticizing is personalizing it, then I guess we are both guilty.

I applaud UMassFan for linking Mr. Hays columns as I too have done on several occasions.  I especially applaud WhatdoIknow for "pinning" a thread dedicated entirely to these columns.  I understand and appreciate the increased awareness this writer is bringing to the sport in general and, in a roundabout way, bringing to this forum too.  How can it be anything but a good thing?  Quite a leap from my being critical of his writing to implying it reflects on weather it is good that it appears on the forum. Hopefully, the vast majority of softball fans feel equally excited about an ESPN writer dedicated to writing about our beloved sport.

No, I'm not trying to quash your right to criticize.  But in these two articles, in my opinion, the reach appeared extreme to find something to criticize.  Like you say, in your opinion.  It was not a reach, I found it glaring and it jumped out at me If comments like yours succeeded, in any way, to silence Mr. Hays coverage, or the linking of such coverage in this forum, we'd be the poorer for it.  Dewey, if I had that kind of power and influence I would surly provide a suitable replacement For that reason alone, I'll continue to champion Graham's articles on softball and reserve my right to counter the criticisms of others when necessary.  My apologies if what little humor I can conjure up these days came off as offensive.  No apology necessary.  There is a difference between disagreeing with my criticism and characterizing my doing it.  Be that as it may, if the coverage is helpful to softball I'm all for itI would bet (and hope) Mr. Hayes is not that thin skinned.  Tough to be a sports writer if you are.

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Good thing Bill.  I'm concerned impatient could turn to inpatient.

Wanabe...my last comments on this subject.  I'm dumbfounded why one would be critical, ("I don't think much of Hayes coverage or his writing"), without a desire to persuade.  Regardless of your powers, continued criticism may convince others that linking unwanted or unworthy articles is a waste of our members time.  Either it's that or you are hoping to improve Mr. Hays work.  Otherwise, it's not unlike a, "he's ugly", comment.  Criticism for criticism's sake.

Finally, we have both been posting long enough to avoid using the "sensitivity" card.  Like Mr. Hays, neither of us are thin skinned and using terms such as stooping or characterizing seem a bit of a reach.  Once again, we'll agree to disagree. 


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Dewey, you continue to ascribe motive to my opinion.  UCS is a forum .  We get to express our opinions and there is not a requirement for an agenda.
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Wanabe - I have read some of Mr. Hays' pieces that I thought were very well written, especially his human interest stuff. Moreover, I appreciate what he is doing for softball in general as I find few other journalists even using the softball scene as subject matter. We each have taste for particular writers and writings (I tend to dislike women novelists and contrived 19th century fiction for example), but your acknowledging the good that Mr. Hays does for softball would soften the blow of your disliking his writing style.
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I'm only guessing, but I don't think Wanabe objects to Mr. Hay's writing style as much as maybe Mr. Hay's ignorance as to the content.  I too find Mr. Hay's knowledge of the sport lacking for a purported expert.  While I can tell that many of you believe that any coverage is better than no coverage, and that a casual reader my not see the ignorance in his writing, many of us see right through it and find it amateurish at best.

These write-ups of individual schools explaining their ranking should contain content that specifically applies to that school and why they are ranked as such.  But, in the 2 examples provided by Wanabe, Mr. Hay's speaks more about Donnewirth in the Stanford one and more about Lappin and her Olympic experience in the Northwestern one than details about those schools and what they've lost and gained and who may step up etc.  I think this points to Mr. Hay's ignorance and lack of knowledge about those two schools in particular which is maybe why he had to fill those write-ups with "filler" and not facts. 

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Joisey, you too have missed my point as evidenced by by your post as opposed to what I posted, see below:

"No apology necessary.  There is a difference between disagreeing with my criticism and characterizing my doing it.  Be that as it may, if the coverage is helpful to softball I'm all for itI would bet (and hope) Mr. Hayes is not that thin skinned.  Tough to be a sports writer if you are."

You and some others are so focused on the exposure you think he provides, so that it seems to make anything he writes sacrosanct.  It is not incumbent on me or anyone when offering criticism of a columnist to make it balanced, even though I did.

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Newbie1, you get it.  Do you criticize ice cream melting?
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Wanabe,

Recently, you suggested my posts were akin to "torture".  If a little humorous criticizing is personalizing it, then I guess we are both guilty.

I applaud UMassFan for linking Mr. Hays columns as I too have done on several occasions.  I especially applaud WhatdoIknow for "pinning" a thread dedicated entirely to these columns.  I understand and appreciate the increased awareness this writer is bringing to the sport in general and, in a roundabout way, bringing to this forum too.  How can it be anything but a good thing?  Hopefully, the vast majority of softball fans feel equally excited about an ESPN writer dedicated to writing about our beloved sport.

No, I'm not trying to quash your right to criticize.  But in these two articles, in my opinion, the reach appeared extreme to find something to criticize.  If comments like yours succeeded, in any way, to silence Mr. Hays coverage, or the linking of such coverage in this forum, we'd be the poorer for it.  For that reason alone, I'll continue to champion Graham's articles on softball and reserve my right to counter the criticisms of others when necessary.  My apologies if what little humor I can conjure up these days came off as offensive.

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Dewey:

You talk of the increased awareness brought to the sport by Mr. Hay's articles.  Other than when linked here on UCS, I defy you to tell me how one would even know about Mr. Hay's articles.  If you go to ESPN.com, one could not ever find him or anything pertaining to softball.  If you happen to know the "backdoor" to his writings you can keep track of him, but for a casual fan going to the ESPN website, they'll never find him.  So, the exposure he brings is almost non-existent other than to those avid UCS fans.

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Wanabe,

Recently, you suggested my posts were akin to "torture".  If a little humorous criticizing is personalizing it, then I guess we are both guilty.

I applaud UMassFan for linking Mr. Hays columns as I too have done on several occasions.  I especially applaud WhatdoIknow for "pinning" a thread dedicated entirely to these columns.  I understand and appreciate the increased awareness this writer is bringing to the sport in general and, in a roundabout way, bringing to this forum too.  How can it be anything but a good thing?  Hopefully, the vast majority of softball fans feel equally excited about an ESPN writer dedicated to writing about our beloved sport.

No, I'm not trying to quash your right to criticize.  But in these two articles, in my opinion, the reach appeared extreme to find something to criticize.  If comments like yours succeeded, in any way, to silence Mr. Hays coverage, or the linking of such coverage in this forum, we'd be the poorer for it.  For that reason alone, I'll continue to champion Graham's articles on softball and reserve my right to counter the criticisms of others when necessary.  My apologies if what little humor I can conjure up these days came off as offensive.

Dear God, let the season begin.    

   

Dewey:

You talk of the increased awareness brought to the sport by Mr. Hay's articles.  Other than when linked here on UCS, I defy you to tell me how one would even know about Mr. Hay's articles.  If you go to ESPN.com, one could not ever find him or anything pertaining to softball.  If you happen to know the "backdoor" to his writings you can keep track of him, but for a casual fan going to the ESPN website, they'll never find him.  So, the exposure he brings is almost non-existent other than to those avid UCS fans.


Actually if you go to ESPNU.com then you will see Mr. Hay's articles right there on the front page.  Most fans of all college sports frequent ESPNU.com seeing it is the ESPN site and web address for coverage of all college sports.  So while it might not be front page of ESPN.com, it still is easily found for most people.

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newbie - You do "get it" (good guess) and your explanation is excellent. Thanks. Now, about that melting ice cream -
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Wanabe,

Recently, you suggested my posts were akin to "torture".  If a little humorous criticizing is personalizing it, then I guess we are both guilty.

I applaud UMassFan for linking Mr. Hays columns as I too have done on several occasions.  I especially applaud WhatdoIknow for "pinning" a thread dedicated entirely to these columns.  I understand and appreciate the increased awareness this writer is bringing to the sport in general and, in a roundabout way, bringing to this forum too.  How can it be anything but a good thing?  Hopefully, the vast majority of softball fans feel equally excited about an ESPN writer dedicated to writing about our beloved sport.

No, I'm not trying to quash your right to criticize.  But in these two articles, in my opinion, the reach appeared extreme to find something to criticize.  If comments like yours succeeded, in any way, to silence Mr. Hays coverage, or the linking of such coverage in this forum, we'd be the poorer for it.  For that reason alone, I'll continue to champion Graham's articles on softball and reserve my right to counter the criticisms of others when necessary.  My apologies if what little humor I can conjure up these days came off as offensive.

Dear God, let the season begin.    

   

Dewey:

You talk of the increased awareness brought to the sport by Mr. Hay's articles.  Other than when linked here on UCS, I defy you to tell me how one would even know about Mr. Hay's articles.  If you go to ESPN.com, one could not ever find him or anything pertaining to softball.  If you happen to know the "backdoor" to his writings you can keep track of him, but for a casual fan going to the ESPN website, they'll never find him.  So, the exposure he brings is almost non-existent other than to those avid UCS fans.



Actually if you go to ESPNU.com then you will see Mr. Hay's articles right there on the front page.  Most fans of all college sports frequent ESPNU.com seeing it is the ESPN site and web address for coverage of all college sports.  So while it might not be front page of ESPN.com, it still is easily found for most people.

Nowhere on his "blog" is the site ESPNU.com referred to.  He has also in the past indicated that he writes for ESPN.com.  A casual fan would never find this.  That is the point. 

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