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I heard that Rush talked about this but did not hear it.  Does anyone know the number of people with preexisting conditions that were helped by this legislation?  I heard that some were in favor if they took this provision out.  I don't know that to be true.  
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they're all covered up in stink.  they ran on it, trump ran on it, and they collectively crapped their shorts.

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had to go read back mike and I deleted a post by me that failed to see you placing some blame on congress
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Just further proof that the republicans are happiest being the lackeys to the dem party. They are fine begging for table scraps and then going home and crying to their constituents how they can't pass legislation because they are outnumbered. They have done it for so long they can't change even when they have all majorities in play.
Pathetic.

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But aren't you so tired of winning yet???
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But aren't you so tired of winning yet???

I am tired of paying outrageous premiums on unusable healthcare while porch sitters and drug addicts consume every healthcare resource available.

Wait until you see how this blows up on the dems. 

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But seriously, explain something to me.  I am currently in the process of enrolling in Medicare and a supplement plan.  For the past 6 months, if not more, I have been inundated with mailings from every big and small insurance company in the country.  United Healthcare, BCBS, Aetna, Humana, Mutual of Omaha, CIGNA, American Continental, Equuitable, Transamerica, among others, plus independent agents inviting me to seminars, dinners, etc. where these insurance products will be presented.

So tell me - why do all these insurance companies want senors to sign up with them?  Seniors are probably among the least healthy of all Americans, they use up over 1/3 of the medical services, and the monthly premiums for Medigap policies range from zero (Advantage plan) to a couple hundred dollars.  And for that price, you can get a policy with no deductibles and no co-pays.  (Drugs not included - that's another whole mess.)

These are the SAME companies that have been pulling out of the Marketplace because they say they are losing so much money.  The non-Medicare pool of insureds has to include a lot more healthy persons than Medigap policies include.  And the premiums they can charge are much higher than Medigap premiums.  So what's the rationale? 

Some things I'd like to see in health care reform -

1.  Individual mandate.  Everyone has insurance.  No exceptions (except maybe limited hardship waivers).  The penalties in ACA for not having insurance were way too low.  No incentive to buy insurance.

2.  Insurance companies must offer policies.  They cannot "choose" to not write policies any longer.

3.  No state exchanges.  All Americans have the same access to the same policies with the same companies.  Why should someone in KY pay less than someone in VA for exactly the same coverage and benefits?

4.  Spread the risk among everyone in the pool.  Everyone pays nearly the same premium (isn't that what ACA was supposed to do initially?).  Men pay the same as women.  Millennials pay the same as 60 year olds.  (Except maybe some limited means testing, as Medicare is starting to use.)  Premiums need to be more market-based.  $110 per month for Medicare is ridiculous.  SS and Medicare contribution rates need to be increased, and the cap on SS wages needs to be lifted.  The contribution rates have remained at the same percentage for decades.  This is not realistic.  

5.  Insurance should not be employer based.  Americans who lose their jobs (as I did 5 years ago) should not be penalized when they need to buy private insurance.  Tying health insurance to your job is insane.

6.  Keep taxes on the rich.  They can well afford it.  And it's not that much on an annual basis.

7.  No exclusions for pre-existing conditions, no lifetime caps, no cancellation provisions for getting "too sick" and using insurance too much, kids can stay on through age 26.

Hmmm, I see a pattern here.

8.  If insurance companies want Medicare recipients so badly, why not put everyone on Medicare?  Everyone will be able to buy a Medigap policy - which is what all these insurance companies are competing so badly for me to buy.  They must be profitable!  If it's good enough for all the seniors, then it should be good enough for all Americans!  Medicare for all!


Most of you probably won't agree with my logic chain.  And I do admit that I have some concerns about the coming decades as all the boomers retire (up to 10,000 PER DAY according to what I've read).  We have to cut spending.  We need to reform other entitlement programs.  We need to raise SS and Medicare contributions.  Yes, you'll pay more tax.  But you'll have health care for life, just like all the other developed countries in the world.

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I am tired of paying outrageous premiums on unusable healthcare while porch sitters and drug addicts consume every healthcare resource available.

Wait until you see how this blows up on the dems. 


It already blew up on them, it was called an election. Without it we would have President Hillary.

Only losers blame past presidents and the party that hasn't had control of a house of congress for a long time.

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I just want an insurance policy that doesn't include funding porch sitters and a 5k deductible. I pay over 1k a month for my policy, and pay 28% or higher federal taxes on top of it. I cannot justify continuing to bust ass to provide handouts to other people. I can porch sit too, I have a car payment and normal household bills. I can coast if it comes down to it, but it's not in my nature.
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It already blew up on them, it was called an election. Without it we would have President Hillary. Only losers blame past presidents and the party that hasn't had control of a house of congress for a long time.

Sure blame both parties.  Don't care.  Blame Trump, don't care.  

Just looking to find a way to exit the system. 

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The blame is on the GOP for not getting us out of it - not solely on Trump. Try reading the what is posted...

Letting ocare fail is not exactly wanting to get out of the system

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DietCoke said...........
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Yes, you'll pay more tax. 


This is the problem with your plan...........We already pay too much in taxes...........Taxes need to be lowered, not raised............
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Senate Conservatives Fund

Keepinitreal, 

One thing we hear from conservatives across the country is how frustrated they are with Republicans who refuse to use the power they've been given to enact conservative reforms.

No issue frustrates the grassroots more than the failure of Senate Republicans to repeal Obamacare.

That is why we announced yesterday that the Senate Conservatives Fund (SCF) will work to identify, recruit, and fund primary challengers against Senate Republicans who oppose Obamacare repeal.

Republicans vowed to repeal Obamacare for years and now with President Trump in the White House, there is no excuse for them to break their promise.

If they won’t keep their word and if they can’t find the courage to repeal a liberal takeover of our health care system that has hurt so many American families, then they should be replaced by someone who will truly fight for less government and more freedom.

If you agree, please help us send a message to the establishment by pledging to support conservative primary challengers against Obamacare Republicans.

You don't need to make a contribution now, but we need to know that you're with us and get an estimate of how much support we can raise for qualified challengers.

We also need to show Senate Republicans that there will be political consequences when they betray us.

President Trump has called on Republicans to repeal Obamacare first and then consider other reforms later if necessary.

Four Republicans – Susan Collins (R-Maine), Shelly Moore Capito (R-West Virginia), Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska), and Rob Portman (R-Ohio) – have already rejected the president's plan and announced their opposition to a simple repeal of Obamacare.

These senators have lost their way and should face strong primary challengers the next time they are up for re-election.

Please pledge to help replace Obamacare Republicans.

We would prefer to focus all of our election efforts on defeating incumbent Democrats, but the actions by liberal Republicans cannot be ignored. They are siding with the Democrats on a major issue and have become Republicans in name only.

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Insurance companies make billions of dollars overall. They like to segment out the three-six percent of their business that is in the individual market and cry like babies.

Medicare supplement plans don't have much risk being more of a finite amount of money they expend, that's why they want you. It is great according to my parents because hardly ever have to worry about a bill or something that is not covered.




Your beloved communist government is the one making billions.  The only group more crooked than the insurance companies is the bureaucrats in the government. 

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The blame is on the GOP for not getting us out of it - not solely on Trump. Try reading the what is posted... Letting ocare fail is not exactly wanting to get out of the system

If ocare would truly fail that is one way out.  If they remove the individual mandate, I would encourage everyone to exit the system and let it go broke.

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At the expense of how many people losing or having their health care affected.

The GOP has a chance to lead.  Standing back and hoping things fail isn't leading.  Donald has a chance to really lead here, we will see what happens.

Touting the merits of winning a GOP senate vote 48-4 is comedic and shows a severe lack of understanding of the US Government.

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At the expense of how many people losing or having their health care affected.

The GOP has a chance to lead.  Standing back and hoping things fail isn't leading.  Donald has a chance to really lead here, we will see what happens.

Touting the merits of winning a GOP senate vote 48-4 is comedic and shows a severe lack of understanding of the US Government.

Yeah not sure about that. 

I am not sure there is a win here anymore.  Dems are going to remain demanding that ever porch sitter and every drug addict get full gold standard free healthcare.  Illegal aliens as well.  

My view from working in a the third largest healthcare company in nation, the algorithms are telling us to triple our prices, which is the max we will let them say.  Our system is not doing it cause of politics.  But we are also under tons of pressure because there is lots of other health systems that are raising their prices at that rate.  We will only be allowed to fall behind for short period of time.

No price control equals disaster.  You allow people to exit, they will, and that is also a disaster.  Hence, no win.  Everyone is going to have to get smart, or suffer a lot of pain.

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If auto insurance wasn't mandatory, would you encourage everyone to drop that, too?  Making risk pools bigger is the answer, not making them smaller. 
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....I would encourage everyone to exit the system and let it go broke.


Not sure I understand this.  Are you saying drop health insurance?  No way I can do that, even as stupid expensive as it is.
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Yessir, looks like a horrible system -


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I can afford my insurance premium even if it was 24k a year. The rub is, that the AHCA system isn't giving a blank check to insurers like O promised them. Further, as insurers drop out of exchanges, there is no OPM left to subsidize premiums. Insurers will stop participating in the AHCA altogether. If you don't have an insuurer willing to sell a product without a guarantee of subsidization, who will buy their products? The answer is me. I will buy a reasonably priced product based on fair free market competition. Porch sitters and those that choose not to participate in a free market will get Medicaid quality treatment. That's what they want, and that's what they will get. I'm ok with them doing whatever they think is in their best interest. Just stop affecting my premium and deductibles and lower my taxes. Its not your money. You didn't earn it, you don't deserve a cut of my hard work.
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If auto insurance wasn't mandatory, would you encourage everyone to drop that, too?  Making risk pools bigger is the answer, not making them smaller. 




I have an old farm truck that hasn't been tagged or insured in close to a decade. It still gets driven quite a bit over dirt roads and pasture land. Why should it be insured?

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cows are litigious - be careful
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cows are litigious - be careful



I have part of one of those litigious cows in the freezer. Told the wife if that mean momma knocked me down one more time I was eating that b!tch. She was just flat cantankerous and mean even when she didn't have a calf to look over. A few years back she got me pretty good trying to tag her newborn, and it flipped a switch with her. Couldn't turn my back on her or she would charge me, I got the last laugh!

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I helped a buddy of mine transport some 9 year old cows he bought. One of them took over the rest of the herd as lead cow. After about three or four times taking a run at the old man, he put a .270 round in her brain pan. I ran over to help his son zip her open and she was carrying a heifer calf. Oh well, she won't be hooking at him anymore.
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If auto insurance wasn't mandatory, would you encourage everyone to drop that, too?  Making risk pools bigger is the answer, not making them smaller. 

Liability auto insurance is mandatory.  It is also very cheap.  $50 a month. It properly covers only the things you should have covered.  They don't demand you pay for full coverage on your car.  And then triple that price to pay for full coverage of people driving recklessly, high or incapable of handling a vehicle. 

There is no analogy here. Ocare not only makes you pay for a super premium gold standard policy, but you have to pay for 2 others coverage.  

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For those that are whining about the insurance companies 'making too much money', answer this question.  Why are so many insurers exiting the market?  They making so much cash they gotta get out of that business?
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For those that are whining about the insurance companies 'making too much money', answer this question.  Why are so many insurers exiting the market?  They making so much cash they gotta get out of that business?


If they can't make money in that market, how in the world can they make money on Medicare Advantage and Medigap policies?  Insuring the oldest and sickest?  No exclusions for pre-existing conditions.  No underwriting.  Same premiums for men and women.  Don't care if you smoke.  Minimal premium increases annually.  Tell me!!

Agree with Terp that health insurance should not be tied to your job.  And having our country's health system controlled by for-profit insurance companies is ridiculous.  No wonder premiums are rising 25% per year!  Gotta pay those execs and keep the shareholders happy!

https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/health-insurance-industry-rakes-in-billions-while-blaming-obamacare-for-losses-110116.html

Editorial cartoon on Republicans and Obamacare

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There are minimum requirements put on auto insurance by states and also by the deed holder until you pay off your car, so no you can't just buy what you want for car insurance.

Health insurance premiums would be lower if we did not get it from our employers. If all of us bought individual insurance we would have a better voice.

I don't know any auto insurance that is $50/month.

Once again Apple's to oranges. The minimum limit requirements are put in place by the lien holder to protect their investment, not by the givernment. Nobody says you have to buy a 50k car with a loan and then insure the full value or pay a penalty. If your car is owned by you and you carry minimum liability coverage it is dirt cheap.
Your other statements are just as ridiculous

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Th car insurance vs health insurance argument dragon was slain long ago. Not even a valid comparison.
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