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woody

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I thought it was all about the white man oppressing and disenfranchising the purple umpaloompa people. Boy was I mistaken. WTF Bama? Is that all you have? Is that the extent of your intellectual capacity? It's really frustrating attempting to debate somebody blinded by their own self pity and outward racism. Hint, nobody gives a rat's ass about people of color, white people, or anything other than this. Are you a functional, contributing member of society, or an F'd up drain on society spewing forth their illegitimate spawn to continue the death spiral of dependence on a welfare state, and other peoples work ethic? I mean I am all for helping the mentally challenged, the truly disabled, the lessor of us. It is in our better interest as a society, and commanded by God. However, I didn't sign up to be the provider for every F'd up ignorant person without the basic intelligence to take responsibility for themselves and their 5 babies from 5 different baby's daddies, regardless of their color, sexuality, religion, or lack of the basic intelligence to be marginally self sufficient.
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Here's my stance on health-care.........

I don't care about it..........Want insurance?..........Then, buy a policy!
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Why elect Republicans who vote with Dems to keep failed Obamacare? U don't have to love but why punish American people?


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Why have a system where hard working families, Husband and Wifes struggle with multiple jobs, find that they are unable to afford healthcare.  A system that punishes workers?

McCain is going to have to answer that.  I hope Trump hangs odummercare around song birds crooked f'n neck. 


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Clean repeal?  No
Senate Care repeal and replace ?  No
House care repeal and replace? No
Skinny repeal/replace?  No

nevertrump?  Yes
Explain?

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Rumor is Trump called Pence on the floor and had him hand the phone to McCain.

How do you think that call went??

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I am waiting for mikec to come and tell us how Trump should not threaten losers like McCain.
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McCain has 0 f's to give
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Talk of the new investigation including calling McCain to testify on his dirty piss dossier. 
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I am waiting for mikec to come and tell us how Trump should not threaten losers like McCain.


It's perfectly acceptable for the POTUS to call a Senator and try to persuade them.

It's not acceptable for the Interior Dept to withhold funds from a state because of a vote on an unrelated measure.

See the difference?

Of course not.
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It's perfectly acceptable for the POTUS to call a Senator and try to persuade them.

It's not acceptable for the Interior Dept to withhold funds from a state because of a vote on an unrelated measure.

See the difference?

Of course not.

Is it acceptable for calls to McConnell that Senators loose committee seats?  That seems to be a common approach, right?

Also those funds were often allocated on a quid pro qou political basis.  So it is ok to allocate them, but not ok to remove them for the same reason?

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Is it acceptable for calls to McConnell that Senators loose committee seats?  That seems to be a common approach, right?

Also those funds were often allocated on a quid pro qou political basis.  So it is ok to allocate them, but not ok to remove them for the same reason?


On the first item, that's always a peril if you don't support the party in power.  Goes with the territory.

On the second one, you are generalizing, and have no knowledge of that fact.  Stricken from the record.
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All of this is just window dressing on the fact the GOP had eight years to plan for this day, and still have no idea on how to replace Obamacare.  It is a disaster and shows the party, as constructed right now, can not lead.  President Obama figured out a way to not lose a single democratic vote on passing Ocare.  The Dems got together and figured it out to pass the bill, even if it took back room deals to get it done.  It seems this version of the GOP is more interested in winning the day and winning Twitter than they are about pushing a lasting conservative agenda.



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conservative schmonservative.  the GOP is not conservative.

the rest is true.  headlines, back patting, and tweeting about faux successes is all they care about.

oh, and calling people names, and describing pretzel gymnastics to do other gross things.

but hey, they are NY big-mouth bullies, so people they are actually doing something, because they talk a lot.



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All of this is just window dressing on the fact the GOP had eight years to plan for this day, and still have no idea on how to replace Obamacare.  It is a disaster and shows the party, as constructed right now, can not lead.  President Obama figured out a way to not lose a single democratic vote on passing Ocare.  The Dems got together and figured it out to pass the bill, even if it took back room deals to get it done.  It seems this version of the GOP is more interested in winning the day and winning Twitter than they are about pushing a lasting conservative agenda.


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I agree, they haven't been conservative for some time.  Just a word they like to throw out around elections.
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McCain, with nothing left to lose now, did the right thing.  Graham and a handful of other Reps had the same concerns as McCain.  Some said they would vote "yes" on the bill as long as the House "promised" not to pass it before letting it go to a conference committee.  Well, why vote "yes" then???  And would you trust Paul Ryan?  He could have immediately put the bill to a vote and it would have passed and DT would have signed it.  I think that was their end game all along.  McCain was the fall guy and the other Reps "saved face" by voting yes, even though they really knew they shouldn't.  This bill was not the answer.

McCain's comments after the vote are spot on.  So were Chuck Schumer's last night.  He promised to work with the Reps to come up with a better bill.  Unlike McConnell who just whined and cried after the vote and wouldn't accept any of the blame for this fiasco.

From McCain's own state newspaper - azcentral.com - -

After the vote, McCain said he was concerned that if the Senate passed the "skinny repeal" that the Republican-controlled House of Representatives would pass it rather than agreeing to a joint House-Senate conference committee to work out differences between the versions passed by both chambers. 

“I’ve stated time and time again that one of the major failures of 'Obamacare' was that it was rammed through Congress by Democrats on a strict-party line basis without a single Republican vote," McCain said. "We should not make the mistakes of the past that has led to Obamacare’s collapse, including in my home state of Arizona where premiums are skyrocketing and health care providers are fleeing the marketplace.

"We must now return to the correct way of legislating and send the bill back to committee, hold hearings, receive input from both sides of aisle, heed the recommendations of nation’s governors, and produce a bill that finally delivers affordable health care for the American people," he continued. "We must do the hard work our citizens expect of us and deserve.”


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There is nothing Trump has done in this that has shown him to not be fiscally conservative.  Big mouth charges etc, hold.

McCain, Murkowski, Collins  - There is no stretch of the imagination that has 1 iota of conservative in them.   They were offered clean repeal, the said no, they were offered plans loaded with 100's of billions of dollars of guberment spending for mental health and drug addiction and on and on, hell they were even offered a plan (Skinny repeal) that was basically a rebranded odummercare.  Thankfully they were too stupid to realize it and voted no for that. 

Honestly I wish we had a more aggressive president.  One that would tweet the details of his McCain conversation.  Call these rat ba5tards out. 

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Ocare passed with every democratic senator voting for it.  

Every GOP senator ran on "repeal and replace".

Who brokered the deals on Ocare?  I am sure not every dem senator was happy with it, but they got it done.

GOP showing their current structure is WEAK.

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McCain, with nothing left to lose now, did the right thing.  Graham and a handful of other Reps had the same concerns as McCain.  Some said they would vote "yes" on the bill as long as the House "promised" not to pass it before letting it go to a conference committee.  Well, why vote "yes" then???  And would you trust Paul Ryan?  He could have immediately put the bill to a vote and it would have passed and DT would have signed it.  I think that was their end game all along.  McCain was the fall guy and the other Reps "saved face" by voting yes, even though they really knew they shouldn't.  This bill was not the answer.

McCain's comments after the vote are spot on.  So were Chuck Schumer's last night.  He promised to work with the Reps to come up with a better bill.  Unlike McConnell who just whined and cried after the vote and wouldn't accept any of the blame for this fiasco.

From McCain's own state newspaper - azcentral.com - -

After the vote, McCain said he was concerned that if the Senate passed the "skinny repeal" that the Republican-controlled House of Representatives would pass it rather than agreeing to a joint House-Senate conference committee to work out differences between the versions passed by both chambers. 

“I’ve stated time and time again that one of the major failures of 'Obamacare' was that it was rammed through Congress by Democrats on a strict-party line basis without a single Republican vote," McCain said. "We should not make the mistakes of the past that has led to Obamacare’s collapse, including in my home state of Arizona where premiums are skyrocketing and health care providers are fleeing the marketplace.

"We must now return to the correct way of legislating and send the bill back to committee, hold hearings, receive input from both sides of aisle, heed the recommendations of nation’s governors, and produce a bill that finally delivers affordable health care for the American people," he continued. "We must do the hard work our citizens expect of us and deserve.”


So you are ok with a system that punishes people that work?

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So you are ok with a system that punishes people that work?


I guess OPM is free, right? 
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On the first item, that's always a peril if you don't support the party in power.  Goes with the territory.

On the second one, you are generalizing, and have no knowledge of that fact.  Stricken from the record.

Alaska in particular has gotten their federal funds through political horse trading.  Stephens was famous for politically getting the bridge to nowhere and several other government largess.  Odummer did not hesitate to devastate poltical foes using this technique. 

Alaskans largely live on the kickbacks from federal land leases to the oil companies.  Administration of those expenditures comes under the President.  They were put in place under a political deal.  So they are subject to politics.  



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My sister is a doctor in Alaska.  She doesn't live off any government anything.



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Alaska in particular has gotten their federal funds through political horse trading.  Stephens was famous for politically getting the bridge to nowhere and several other government largess.  Odummer did not hesitate to devastate poltical foes using this technique. 

Alaskans largely live on the kickbacks from federal land leases to the oil companies.  Administration of those expenditures comes under the President.  They were put in place under a political deal.  So they are subject to politics.  


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My sister is a doctor in Alaska.  She doesn't live off any government anything.




Good she should be fine.  

I hope those folks that voted for Murkowski thinking she was the type of Senator that could bring home the bacon, are going to get what they deserve. 

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So you are ok with a system that punishes people that work?

So you are ok with a system that punishes an entire state because of 1 senator? Reminder: every state has 2 senators. Alaska's other senator voted for each of the repeals. 
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Zinke may regret threatening Murkowski since she has sway over his department.

She denied any suggestion that she had used her power as chairwoman of the Energy and Natural Resources Committee, which has jurisdiction over Zinke's department, to hit back by postponing a committee meeting that would have included votes on three Interior nominees.

In addition to her energy panel gavel, Murkowski chairs the Senate Appropriations subcommittee in charge of deciding how much money Interior has to spend each year.
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So you are ok with a system that punishes an entire state because of 1 senator? Reminder: every state has 2 senators. Alaska's other senator voted for each of the repeals. 

Seems the system offers rewards because of 1 senator, so should be a surprise that it punishes for the same. 

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Zinke may regret threatening Murkowski since she has sway over his department.

She denied any suggestion that she had used her power as chairwoman of the Energy and Natural Resources Committee, which has jurisdiction over Zinke's department, to hit back by postponing a committee meeting that would have included votes on three Interior nominees.

In addition to her energy panel gavel, Murkowski chairs the Senate Appropriations subcommittee in charge of deciding how much money Interior has to spend each year.

The Senate has proven to be largely useless.  Them threatening to be even more useless is a lot of meh. 

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Skinny repeal was a complete dodge of their duty. When Ryan agreed it would go to conference, he wisely stipulated the Senate would have to act first on the conference bill since the Senate punted it there.

Fifteen minutes before voting started, McCain crossed over to yuk it up with top Dems. Just before voting, he told someone to "watch this" and then made a spectacle of voting against it. 
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Skinny repeal was a complete dodge of their duty. When Ryan agreed it would go to conference, he wisely stipulated the Senate would have to act first on the conference bill since the Senate punted it there.

Fifteen minutes before voting started, McCain crossed over to yuk it up with top Dems. Just before voting, he told someone to "watch this" and then made a spectacle of voting against it. 

I am actually very happy skinny failed.  That was as big a turd as they could muster. 

Good point on Ryan making a smart move stipulating that they had to act on conference bill first.  That is what likely kept mccain from voting for it.  

It is also probably why Lee and some of the HFC guys allowed themselves to vote for it, they knew it would not pass, and if it did, the conference action would take precedence. 
 

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