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TheNarrator

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Bill is dead again, moving towards repeal only.  

House and Senate need to get their $hit together and President Trump needs to lead and be the deal maker he claimed to be.
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repeal requires 60
bluedog

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Both of you deserve your say...........

It's not over, but, I will say that Trump is failing.........

I say it because I don't see him fighting.........

No health-care repeal, re-approving the Iran deal and no Mexico wall anywhere on the horizon........

If he would come out and denounce McConnell and Ryan, I'd say he's fighting...........But, I'm not seeing it............
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Contrary to what you blue, and probably others as well, would believe, I'd rather see trump succeed.

I'd like to see actually get to doing the hard work of governing, as opposed to vacationing at his resorts every weekend, watching Fox and Friends, and tweeting.

He said he's a dealmaker - let's see it.

Dems will take over Congress if your 3 things above, plus tax reform, and some other stuff, don't start moving.

If he think life is hard now, let him have Pelosi and Schumer.
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My desire was to expose the old-guard Republican party.............

That's done, but nothing else, that's for sure..........
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If Obamacare is repealed and no alternative offered, it will drastically hurt the Republican Party.  Two things have pretty much been proven popular with most people.  The ability for a person to stay on their parent's health care policy until 26 and allowing for preexisting conditions are both very popular.  The problem is, the Republicans can't get out of their own way.  
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bluedog

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Coach, unfortunately, no repeal and no change, at all............We get absolutely nothing..........
uwApoligist

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The bill was killed by the moderates.  They loaded it and loaded and loaded.  Billions for Opiate treatment, Billions for additional medicaid, Billions for insurance company prop ups.  

Bottom line was still no cost control.  People are afraid to say it.  We will never, not ever, be able to provide premium levels of healthcare for porch sitters and drug addicts.  Doing so has already driven the price of healthcare up to a point where lower end workers can no longer participate.  

We need to reward the productive and those that save money with better healthcare and funnel the rest down to a very inexpensive indigent care system. 

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uwApoligist

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Flat repeal will fail as well.  Paul in his Sunday interview was getting pressed by the interviewer on clean repeal, how would it pass.  He seemed to indicate that they could somehow do it with 50.  

I just do not see them going with the nuclear option on bill passage.  We have already greatly butchered the Senate.  
My own opinion.  Republicans are better off not passing what they just had.  It remains hung around the dems necks.  They need to get back out to the publican and push the agenda, ocare is insolvent, ocare is unaffordable for the average family, ocare means high premiums, ocare means unaffordable deductibles, ocare has no insurance market left, no providers in many states, 1 provider in most of America.  

Dems think they can win with their count the number covered campaign.  I think Americans are interested in more getting covered, but realize they cannot afford it, and will naturally gravitate towards the republican message, if it is presented to them. 

Trump needs to get on this now and build the case.  I think he is disappointing right now. 

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TheNarrator

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Republicans are better off not passing what they just had.  It remains hung around the dems necks.  They need to get back out to the publican and push the agenda, ocare is insolvent, ocare is unaffordable for the average family, ocare means high premiums, ocare means unaffordable deductibles, ocare has no insurance market left, no providers in many states, 1 provider in most of America.  


They have been doing that since the day it was passed.  They finally have control and those idiots can't get anything done.

IMO, OCare was around the dems necks, and that one of the reasons the GOP has seen record gains all around the country, culminating in the OCare premium hikes being a major reason Trump was elected.  Not repealing it and replacing it will be squarely on the GOP next election.
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Bill is dead again, moving towards repeal only.  

House and Senate need to get their $hit together and President Trump needs to lead and be the deal maker he claimed to be.

Some are doubting a repeal (in 2+ years) bill would pass even though voting against it would be embarrassing for those that voted for it previously. This could be a tactic to either motivate members to agree on a passable replacement deal now or to muster enough votes to bring the House Bill to the floor.

Does anyone really believe they'd make progress on a replacement bill before they're up against the repeal deadline? Congress likes to kick the can down the road and Dems would only entertain an enhanced ACA or going towards single-payer. This really needs to be hashed out between the GOP factions like the House did after their bill was pulled. Trump can facilitate by providing a room, refreshments and encouragement.
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Does anyone really believe they'd make progress on a replacement bill before they're up against the repeal deadline?


No..........

But, they'll have a lot of hearings on Russia.............They concentrate on important stuff...........
uwApoligist

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Repeal is now dead.  3 female senators have stated they will not support, so cannot even get to 50. 
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Repeal is now dead.  3 female senators have stated they will not support, so cannot even get to 50. 


Bleeding heart women, so emotional about things.  What I'm going through with my sisters and Mom

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bluedog

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Your mom and sisters voted against repeal?
keepinitreal

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One of the 3 voted for obama at least once, another one says she didn't but I don't believe her

Now is not the time to chum, read along

Bleeding heart women, so emotional about things



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In the big picture, it seems like trump should've had at least a blueprint for what he wanted done, and sat down with McC and Ryan between Nov and Jan and hammered it out.

The stupid GOP has been campaigning on this for awhile - it is inconceivable that they didn't have a bill ready to go in both Houses.  Their nitwittery is astounding.

With all of the promises over and over, this bill should've been introduced in the first 15-30 days after inauguration.
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Ryan and McConnell want everything to fail............They do better when the Democrats are in-charge............
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In the big picture, it seems like trump should've had at least a blueprint for what he wanted done, and sat down with McC and Ryan between Nov and Jan and hammered it out.

The stupid GOP has been campaigning on this for awhile - it is inconceivable that they didn't have a bill ready to go in both Houses.  Their nitwittery is astounding.

With all of the promises over and over, this bill should've been introduced in the first 15-30 days after inauguration.

The original plan was to repeal right away a la 2015 bill and then pass a series of bills to replace. Collins and Rand Paul convinced Trump in early Jan that they needed to replace with repeal.

I take issue with the "they had 7 years" narrative because they mainly intended to repeal it the first few years. Romney losing in 2012 pretty much killed that. The scope of 'replacing' Ocare grew after exchanges went live for 2014. 
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GOP was churning on this way longer than Trump.  8 years they have promised.  8 years they have passed repeal multiple times.  Now that Trump says he will sign it if they send it, they blow it.
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I take issue with the "they had 7 years" narrative because they mainly intended to repeal it the first few years. Romney losing in 2012 pretty much killed that. The scope of 'replacing' Ocare grew after exchanges went live for 2014. 


Agree 100%

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They were fine with passing repeals when they knew they would get vetoed.
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They were fine with passing repeals when they knew they would get vetoed.


agreed again and mike says tump blew up the GOP.  The GOP blew up the GOP

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So, who owns HC? The Dems voted it in without a single Republican vote. So now, as AHCA falls apart, who's fault is it??? Republicans of course you silly rabbit.
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agreed again and mike says tump blew up the GOP.  The GOP blew up the GOP


trump is the leader over the cliff, and some of the morons are eagerly following.
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trump is the leader over the cliff, and some of the morons are eagerly following.


Trump didn't design obamacare and this is a GOP plan.  It can't get to trump's desk.  McConnel, Ryan didn't perform and were the 'leaders' you speak of.  GOP had years to drum up some sort of cohesive plan and like the student who crashes for an exam at the last minute, Congress wasn't prepared to lead like dewy and others have said.  This ain't on trump



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In the big picture, it seems like trump should've had at least a blueprint for what he wanted done, and sat down with McC and Ryan between Nov and Jan and hammered it out.

The stupid GOP has been campaigning on this for awhile - it is inconceivable that they didn't have a bill ready to go in both Houses.  Their nitwittery is astounding.  checkmate

With all of the promises over and over, this bill should've been introduced in the first 15-30 days after inauguration. They aren't leaders like Cruz and if you're a leader, you're ostracized because you're trying to get something done.


Probably in the top 10 things he should have started on but he was then rushed to build an administration and that New York fake tears Schumer is still dragging that out.  The cocktail committee was too busy planning their Christmas parties and inaugural balls to pay much attention.  They already have to work a stinking 100 days a year, what more do you want from them?

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had to go read back mike and I deleted a post by me that failed to see you placing some blame on congress
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“I think we're probably in that position where we'll just let ObamaCare fail,” “We're not going to own it. I'm not going to own it. I can tell you the Republicans are not going to own it. We'll let ObamaCare fail, and then the Democrats are going to come to us."
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Originally Posted by bluedog
Both of you deserve your say...........

It's not over, but, I will say that Trump is failing.........

I say it because I don't see him fighting.........

No health-care repeal, re-approving the Iran deal and no Mexico wall anywhere on the horizon........

If he would come out and denounce McConnell and Ryan, I'd say he's fighting...........But, I'm not seeing it............


+1 - McConnell and Ryan are the big failures in this.  When will the people of Kentucky realize that Mitch is absolutely horrible?
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