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mikec

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Will the Administration send any officials to the funerals of these victims, or do they only attend the funerals of black felons?
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If any of the victims were black it will be interesting to see. If the shooter was white, I believe we know what the answer would be.
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Ben Carson states the obvious, I'm surprised more aren't saying the same thing


Carson: If CA Attacker Passed Vetting, It ‘Should End the Conversation’ About Refugees

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/12/04/carson-if-ca-attacker-passed-vetting-it-should-end-the-conversation-about-refugees/


She was vetted and passed DHS process. That's a big problem, given she supplied false information. Did no one at DHS even check? What kind of vetting are they doing? Appalling.

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Blaming San Bernardino terrorist attack on the Second Amendment is like blaming 9/11 on the Wright brothers.
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Funny stuff but that is the libtards mentality
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So a man goes on a knife-wielding attack on the London tube yelling "this is for Syria".  Who will the left blame for this one?  Republicans?  This wasn't in the US.  Guns?  This was a knife.  When will the left realize that Islam is the enemy and you can't talk with these people?
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So a man goes on a knife-wielding attack on the London tube yelling "this is for Syria".  Who will the left blame for this one?  Republicans?  This wasn't in the US.  Guns?  This was a knife.  When will the left realize that Islam is the enemy and you can't talk with these people?


If we could only provide more vocational training, and provide a job to these folks, they wouldn't do it.  It's our fault.  We need to raise taxes to pay for that.

Look at the CA terrorists - downtrodden, out of work, not integrated into society, no family.

Oh wait, nevermind.
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"This dislike of those that chant 'death to America' has to stop"

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Obama is going to talk to the nation tomorrow about terrorism.  Any bets on whether or not he'll use the word Muslim or the word Islam except to defend them?
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The world should be on high alert given what transpired after the last couple times Obama told us we had nothing to fear...
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Recent articles advocating stronger background checks have mentioned the Charleston shooter got past a background check due to "lapses" in the system (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-accused-charleston-shooter-should-not-have-been-able-to-buy-gun/2015/07/10/0d09fda0-271f-11e5-b72c-2b7d516e1e0e_story.html). Apparently, his recent admission to a misdemeanor drug possession charge would have triggered a rejection if it had been found in time. I was not aware a misdemeanor was cause for rejection, however this one would as evidence of being a drug user.

A federal regulation issued by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) defines “unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance” and states “An inference of current use may be drawn from evidence of a recent use or possession of a controlled substance or a pattern of use or possession that reasonably covers the present time, e.g., a conviction for use or possession of a controlled substance within the past year; multiple arrests for such offenses within the past 5 years if the most recent arrest occurred within the past year; or persons found through a drug test to use a controlled substance unlawfully, provided that the test was administered within the past year.”

The things that strike me are:

- Liberals seemingly never learn from these examples that government is much better at writing laws than enforcing them.

- How do Liberals rationalize denying guns to people they characterize as nonviolent offenders? Other than the fact they want to deny guns to everyone...
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Once again, POTUS Look At Me has shown himself to be completely clueless on issues that matter.

From Josh Marshall, editor of the liberal Talking Points Memo:

“The president now comes out after every mass shooting and, with (understandably) building frustration, says the country will eventually have to get serious and tackle this problem, knowing full well that it doesn't seem likely that's going to happen any time in the remotely near future - certainly not during his presidency. A big part of the outrage to this constant string of mass shootings is not just the carnage itself but the near certainty that no matter how frequent these massacres become, no matter how young the victims, no matter how high the body count, absolutely nothing is going to happen to make it harder to get a gun to go kill people. That means that when we talk about 'gun control' the first thing almost everybody thinks is about something that is never going to happen, because our polarized politics won't letter it happen.

“So coming into the debate about terrorism, a topic which grips the national psyche like almost no other issue, talking about gun control is not only iffy on the policy merits but sends a very bad signal that what you're proposing to get a handle on the problem is something we all know to a damn certainty isn't even going to happen.”

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Update on SB:

In the past two days, Farooks father and mother have been placed on the US terrorist watch list.

Also, the guy who bought two of the guns used is now cooperating with authorities.

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Name-calling aside, the president and the next President (if the repubs don't get their act together) don't go far enough. Assault rifles should be banned. If you want to protect yourself or others, especially in public, I prefer you NOT do it with one of those. Plenty of short or other guns will do the trick. If you take the time to search back through other gun threads you can find a whole long post on the internal working of the semi-automatic firearm. Like Dewey it appears that you have no working knowledge of firearms or ballistics, but hey lets ban something.

The laws by themselves may not prevent a particular occurrence but it is easier to get a gun than to do many other things in life. Laws also reflect reducing the cost to society (for security, cleaning up the mess that results) and telling people what our society will tolerate (ie relative values in a group environment; we don't live by ourselves).

So new laws will help remove the idea that using guns, particularly combined with anger, politics, or whatever, are acceptable, which is the pervasive environment we live in. Some of the attitudes and pictures like above do send warped people over the edge. We love a vigilante, I guess, until they are on the other side of us.
Please tell me how another law will accomplish this? You have to look no farther then the news on a weekly basis. Please inform me on how you intend to do this when you have a 27yr old shooting a 9yr old because of the kids fathers gang affiliation. Do a search of good Samaritans attacked and see what you get. Society has degenerated to the point that a growing segment of the population has no regard for another humans life.

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Good deal right now at Cabela's on a Taurus 9mm compact.  The wife bought herself a deluxe purse for Christmas, and told me it was from me.

Well, she's also going to get a carry weapon and ammo as well.

Heading over there this weekend (nearest Cabela's is a ways from me).

I was going to get her a Galaxy S6 Edge.  Those stupid things are $700.  She'll be happier with the Taurus, and it will cost half as much.
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And gun stores cannot order enough weapons to satisfy consumer demand. Obama is way in over his head. He has some strange idea that anyone gives a rats ass about his opinion. He can posture, say "let me be clear" all he wants. Americans are ignoring the POTUS. They think he is not only ineffective and unprepared in his job as our CIC, Americans do not trust him. He is doing the exact opposite of what the majority of Americans demand. A POTUS that cannot lead a nation. He is an abject failure at his job, and no amount of instruction from the WH Press Secretary to the MSM arm of the DNC can fix it. Nobody likes the guy, he can't inspire anyone, and he looks Americans in the eye and openly lies to them, and then tells them they are stupid and ridicule them for their personal beliefs if they don't agree with his vision of America. What kind of crap is this guy trying to start? Is this his end game to a failed attempt to "fundamentally change" our nation from an Independent, God fearing, Judeo-Christian nation, into a non religious Socialist Society dependent on our check in the mail, and our every need provided by Socialist handlers, and their Bosses? I call Bill Smith. Really Bill, can you make any sense out of the erratic behavior of the POTUS as Rome burns around him? He seems not only oblivious, but actually hardened against any quarter that would dare question his supreme thought process. He takes the posture of Mussolini, crossed armed and chin up, defiant and oppressive over anyone that would dare challenge the infinite wisdom of the Boy Child King, drunk on his own self worth as some self professed divine being.
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http://freebeacon.com/national-security/72-dhs-employees-on-terrorist-watch-list/
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Good deal right now at Cabela's on a Taurus 9mm compact.  The wife bought herself a deluxe purse for Christmas, and told me it was from me.

Well, she's also going to get a carry weapon and ammo as well.

Heading over there this weekend (nearest Cabela's is a ways from me).

I was going to get her a Galaxy S6 Edge.  Those stupid things are $700.  She'll be happier with the Taurus, and it will cost half as much.

Want to pick up two? Nearest Cabelas is 350 miles away
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FWIW -

https://www.truthorfiction.com/72-dhs-employees-on-a-terrorist-watch-list/

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Still doesn't speak highly of a government agency.

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Still doesn't speak highly of a government agency.


Agreed.  We probably need to get rid of half of our current government employees and replace them with people who will DO THEIR JOB.

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The problem, in my opinion, isn't really with the people but rather with the motivation.  Government employees are motivated to not get noticed and to simply skate toward retirement.  There is nothing in the way of financial reward or accolades to make them want to do a good job.  Not getting fired is pretty much enough.
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Due to civil service restrictions, it's damn near impossible to fire a government employee.
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Still doesn't speak highly of a government agency.


Agreed.  We probably need to get rid of half of our current government employees and replace them with people who will DO THEIR JOB.


What???? Wait a minute here, somebody needs to see what replicant has taken over DC's body. DC endorsing cutting the size and scope of the Federal Government?? The end times are nigh.

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Trump is making a lot of sense on this banning of Muslims idea.  To be honest, I'm all for it.

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/12/09/while-we-fight-over-trump-france-closes-3-mosques-finds-hundreds-of-weapons/?utm_source=hafbp&utm_medium=fbpage&utm_campaign=haupdate

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Trump is making a lot of sense on this banning of Muslims idea.  To be honest, I'm all for it.

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/12/09/while-we-fight-over-trump-france-closes-3-mosques-finds-hundreds-of-weapons/?utm_source=hafbp&utm_medium=fbpage&utm_campaign=haupdate



I am in total agreement with shutting down refugees until we can ensure the safety of the American people.  I am also in agreement with closely monitoring the mosques and closing them if we have actionable intelligence that those types of things are going on inside.  Polls have shown the majority of Americans believe this is the best course of action and it is why Trump is leading - he is riding the wave of populism perfectly and the media can't stand it.
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If Trump had a good idea it was accidental.

The difference between France and the US is that they don't have a Muslim-loving President who views Muslims as the new Blacks, and equates any sort of enforcement activity against Muslims as a civil rights violation.

Look at what has happened since the attacks here:  the POTUS, AG, WH Spokes, and Homeland Security have said that their biggest fear now is backlash against Muslims, and that they will vigorously prosecute such backlash, even if it is only words.

If our POTUS just gave half a damn about Americans, things would be different.

I also don't believe that France's President went on a Muslim apology tour.
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Let's not forget that Carter banned immigration of Iranians during the hostage crisis.  The only smart thing he did.  He also required that all Iranian "students" register with the authorities.

Mike, your points are all on target.  Unfortunately, because of the climate the POTUS has created, Muslim-backed terror attacks are more likely than they were otherwise.  This is why we need to put up a gate now until the government gets its collective head out of its a$$.
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All these political hacks talking against Trump stand to gain on the Muslims coming here and to their countries.....The special interest groups are telling these hacks to stand against Trump.....Just more evidence that all of 'em have sold themselves to special interests......
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Not sure where this belongs thread-wise, but all would do well to read it.

"In Memory Of My Brother, Who Died In The San Bernardino Attack"

http://thefederalist.com/2015/12/11/in-memory-of-my-brother-who-died-in-the-san-bernardino-attack/

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