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CoachB25

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pabar, with your permission, I'd like to steal your post, edit it some and use it on another site. 
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Coach go here first, he posted his source

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pabar, with your permission, I'd like to steal your post, edit it some and use it on another site. 


Go for it.
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Thanks guys.  That post is very much like a post I have been working on but significantly better organized.  I can take my points and exchange them for some of the points in that article/pabar post. 
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Typical:


http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/06/25/26-democrats-who-participated-gun-control-sit-are-gun-owners




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https://heatst.com/politics/26-of-the-democrats-who-participated-in-the-gun-control-sit-in-own-guns/


Dewey

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You just watch.  I believe we'll eventually get some legislation that will help keep some of those linked to terrorism on those watch lists from buying guns.
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You just watch.  I believe we'll eventually get some legislation that will help keep some of those linked to terrorism on those watch lists from buying guns.


Let us know how you intend to prove that.
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Dewey - regarding your question about whether the Constitution gives people the right to own grenades and fully automatic weapons, here is what I would say.  First, the text of the Second Amendment is as follows:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Clearly, this amendment was intended to allow citizens to protect themselves from a rogue government.  Since hand grenades and fully automatic weapons were not around at the time of the drafting of the amendment (in addition to numerous other weapons), you can't start to say that the amendment excludes any weapon.  It just says "arms".  With that in mind, in order to ban certain weapons, new legislation has to be introduced, voted upon and passed.  That legislation will then remove the right of individuals to have those weapons.  So while the original Constitution could not have contemplated banning certain types of weapons, subsequent laws do what the framers could not.
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pabar - To clarify, your opinion is the Constitution does not provide the right to bear any and all arms.  We have a right as citizens, using legislation other than a Constitutional amendment, to ban some arms from being owned.  Do I have this correct?
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pabar61

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I've answered your question multiple times.  Go answer mine on abortion and I'll clarify for you what I've already clarified once.
Dewey

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Just say yes I have it correct or explain it again please.
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Nope - go answer my question first.
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Nope.  You haven't answered the question I asked.  Your answer is unrelated.  If you think that's good enough, then my answer to your question is "I'm not pro-abortion".  There you go.
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This is why so many people in this forum despise you.  Tactics like these.  
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pabar - A few despise me but it's kind PM's like these that let me know it's not everyone.

You're just angry because I'm not going to allow others to keep avoiding my questions and then asking me some in return.  You don't have to answer just don't expect me to do so in return.

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Congratulations on having someone say they like you.  Way to set the bar high.

I've answer hundreds of your questions.  The reality is that every time you ask a question, it's for a purpose and when someone doesn't follow you down the road to your purpose, you claim your question wasn't answered.  In reality, the person saw your game and didn't fall for it.

You then use that as an excuse for not answering questions you find to be personally troubling.  That's your game and you're upset because most of us have figured it out.


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Congratulations on having someone say they like you.  Thanks.  It was more than one and each was greatly appreciated. Way to set the bar high.  Hey, you found a need to make the accusation so I had to respond.

I've answer hundreds of your questions.  The reality is that every time you ask a question, it's for a purpose and when someone doesn't follow you down the road to your purpose, you claim your question wasn't answered.  In reality, the person saw your game and didn't fall for it.  That's fine and it's your right.  Sen. McConnell does it all the time.  Refuses to answer the question posed.  All I'm saying is you have to answer if you expect me to answer yours.

You then use that as an excuse for not answering questions you find to be personally troubling.  That's your game and you're upset because most of us have figured it out.  As I've said before, outside of my general concern as to how adults treat other adults inside here, I'm never upset.



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What is a general concern how adults treat each other on this forum? You're the only one who continues to whine about it. Is that something you missed in the discussion on your TV shows also, you dimwit.
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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Originally Posted by pabar61
Dewey - regarding your question about whether the Constitution gives people the right to own grenades and fully automatic weapons, here is what I would say.  First, the text of the Second Amendment is as follows:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Clearly, this amendment was intended to allow citizens to protect themselves from a rogue government.  Since hand grenades and fully automatic weapons were not around at the time of the drafting of the amendment (in addition to numerous other weapons), you can't start to say that the amendment excludes any weapon.  It just says "arms".  With that in mind, in order to ban certain weapons, new legislation has to be introduced, voted upon and passed.  That legislation will then remove the right of individuals to have those weapons.  So while the original Constitution could not have contemplated banning certain types of weapons, subsequent laws do what the framers could not.


Our Constitution means little to nothing if it can be circumvented by the Congress, President, or society de jour without an amendment.  Surprised you're okay with it.
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If I understand my other young Conservative adversary correctly, he believes one needs an understanding of the workings of a hand grenade, or a machine gun, before he can form a personal opinion as to whether the Constitution has provided us the right to own either one of these.  I can't for the life of me understand why but, no doubt, he just lost out on any SC nomination.

To be honest, I don't believe my young friend for a minute.  I don't think he has to know how a hand grenade works to form an opinion one way or the other.  Maybe he's conflicted and just doesn't know what he believes yet.  If that's not the case, then my suspicion is if he answers in the wrong way, he's concerned he'll get a response like this one bhblue just gave to pabar.  With that possibility, he's concluded it's better to not answer.

As for me, I don't think "right to bear arms" meant a "right to bear any and all arms".  No doubt a SC decision could prove me very wrong.

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Dewey - I doubt pabar61 is concerned about a response from me or anyone else.  Probably real life got in the way of his reading/responding.

As to what those who drafted the 2nd Amendment meant by "the right to bear arms", I'll take them literally to mean "arms" in general.  What's more interesting to me about the sentence is "well regulated militia".  Not being a Constitutional scholar, I'd like to learn who is given the authority to "regulate" militias.  I've always understood that, in general, any power not given the Federal government defaults to the States.  I'd be fine with that.
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bhblue - I wasn't really referring to pabar responding to you.  I was trying to make the case the difficulty I have in getting some members to go on the record as to what their position is on a subject under discussion, in a clear manner unlike pabar and I engaged in today, is because they don't want to be on the wrong side of their fellow Conservatives.  We have very opinionated members here and I struggle to believe they haven't been able to form a clear opinion on some of these highly political issues we discuss.
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WTF??

 

"I was trying to make the case the difficulty I have in getting some members to go on the record as to what their position is on a subject under discussion, in a clear manner unlike pabar and I engaged in today, is because they don't want to be on the wrong side of their fellow Conservatives."


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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Originally Posted by Dewey
If that's not the case, then my suspicion is if he answers in the wrong way, he's concerned he'll get a response like this one bhblue just gave to pabar.


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Dewey - I doubt pabar61 is concerned about a response from me or anyone else.


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Originally Posted by Dewey
 bhblue - I wasn't really referring to pabar responding to you.


Dewey - I'm pretty sure I addressed your specific initial point.  Note you changed the argument from "concerned" to "responding".
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WTF??

 

"I was trying to make the case the difficulty I have in getting some members to go on the record as to what their position is on a subject under discussion, in a clear manner unlike pabar and I engaged in today, is because they don't want to be on the wrong side of their fellow Conservatives."



kiir what do you make of Dewey's bizarre behavior on the religion/abortion thread? Refuses to answer, then comes here to this thread and claims others won't answer? Watching him post on that other thread and ignore the elephant in his room (Pabar's and Durden's questions on abortion tax and offing your inconvenient spouse) is unsettling. It just looks like he is paralyzed. He remains lockstep, parrots the liberal party line, and when faced with a question (or two) that can't be spun, he freaks out lol. He claimed he was an issues guy like me. He's not, he's a mindless parrot with guilt.

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keepinitreal

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I've noticed but that is SOP for dewy.  It's great to see that others are picking up the nuances of dewy's tricks.  What bhblue described just above is a classic dewy, bait and switch and what you described EG has become common more so in the last 2 years.  dewy really is flailing terribly..

"ignore the elephant in his room (Pabar's and Durden's questions on abortion tax and offing your inconvenient spouse) is unsettling."
Agree

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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
Dewey

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bhblue - I think we're talking past each other.  My young Conservative friend is TylerDurden.  My post following yours suggested he didn't want to disagree with the position of a fellow Conservative and get a response like you gave pabar.  I was commenting why he wouldn't share as much as pabar did in his post.  I wasn't thinking about any concern pabar might or might not have to what you posted.  Maybe I didn't make that very clear.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bhblue


Our Constitution means little to nothing if it can be circumvented by the Congress, President, or society de jour without an amendment.  Surprised you're okay with it.


Only through Constitutional Amendment process.
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Anyway, long story short, I just asked these two members, (pabar and Tyler), if they agreed with Bill and EG that the Constitution gives us the right to own hand grenades and machine guns and, if I understand Bill and EG correctly, only a Constitutional amendment can change that.  They wouldn't give me their opinion so I refused to answer the questions they posed to me.  Now we have two more recruits running some defense for them in hopes it will help them ask a question without having to answer one.
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