Dewey
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Kill the messenger.
keepinitreal
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6 are dead in the great snowfall of the northeast, 2014 style. More have been killed this winter because of the brutal, disarming cold than have been killed the whole year by assault rifles. Will libtards now seek to outlaw high capacity blizzards?
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I love this guy.http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/27/pope-francis-edict-climate-change-us-rightwing
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DC - that's good to hear. I guess you also believe, as does the Pope, that one must accept Christ as his or her personal savior in order to have internal life in Heaven? I assume you also believe, as does the Pope, that all abortions are abominations and sinful? I assume you also believe, as does the Pope, that with regard to homosexuals, you must love the sinner but hate the sin? I assume you also believe, as does the Pope, that life begins at inception? A simple yes or no to all of these questions is all that is required.
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pabar - I take satisfaction in knowing there are many Republicans in Congress prepared to vote in favor of immigration reform. That said, I also understand there are numerous other issues where these same Republicans and I don't agree at all. I guess what I'm trying to say is I don't get the connection in your last post.
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Originally Posted by Dewey pabar - I take satisfaction in knowing there are many Republicans in Congress prepared to vote in favor of immigration reform. That said, I also understand there are numerous other issues where these same Republicans and I don't agree at all. I guess what I'm trying to say is I don't get the connection in your last post.
You don't need to. It wasn't addressed to you.
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For those of you who care about these things -
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I care. From the article:
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The authors make clear that their goal is not to offer solutions, but simply to provide information. This is a kind of report card, exploiting new data from the past five years. It's not just a list of Fs. The ozone boundary is the best example of world leaders responding swiftly to a looming environmental disaster. After the discovery of an expanding ozone hole caused by man-made chemicals, chlorofluorocarbons, the nations of the world banned CFCs in the 1980s.
1) Dudes, if you are wearing smarty pants, please discuss solutions. Step up beyond the messenger role. 2) I will invoke the Dewey posture. I believe in our elected leaders to do the right thing. Since we identified and changed world-wide behavior regarding ozone, once the world is given clear evidence of a reason to change any other specific behavior, that change will be made. Trust in science. We don't use CFCs in such a manner. Nuclear weapons testing was curtailed. We'll get it right. 3) So, why all the fuss? Compile the stats. Make the case. When evidence is irrefutable, there will be a course of action. Oh, see above. Offer one. A workable solution. A world-wide retrenching to Luddite or Amish lifestyle is not gonna fly.
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DietCoke
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BillSmith I care.
Good to know. A lot here don't. 3) So, why all the fuss? Compile the stats. Make the case. When evidence is irrefutable, there will be a course of action. Oh, see above. Offer one. A workable solution. A world-wide retrenching to Luddite or Amish lifestyle is not gonna fly.
According to about 98% of climate scientists, the evidence is irrefutable. But that's an argument for another day. Some solutions that have been offered - many of which have been rejected by "deniers" - - Decrease reliance on fossil fuels (like not building Keystone XL), phase out coal-fired power plants - Build green buildings - Improve roads and infrastructure - Use mass transit, reduce road trips, live closer to work, buy hybrid and electric (or at least more fuel efficient) vehicles, etc. - Stop deforestation - Minimize use of electricity (unplug stuff when not in use), use CFLs, adjust your thermostats - Recycle, stop using plastic water bottles and grocery bags - Use alternative fuels, solar, thermal and wind power Just a few ideas. Will these things cost more? Most likely. But - IMO (for you, BS) - our planet would be better off.
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pabar61
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BillSmith I care.
Good to know. A lot here don't. 3) So, why all the fuss? Compile the stats. Make the case. When evidence is irrefutable, there will be a course of action. Oh, see above. Offer one. A workable solution. A world-wide retrenching to Luddite or Amish lifestyle is not gonna fly.
According to about 98% of climate scientists, the evidence is irrefutable. But that's an argument for another day.
Some solutions that have been offered - many of which have been rejected by "deniers" -
- Decrease reliance on fossil fuels (like not building Keystone XL), phase out coal-fired power plants
- Build green buildings
- Improve roads and infrastructure
- Use mass transit, reduce road trips, live closer to work, buy hybrid and electric (or at least more fuel efficient) vehicles, etc.
- Stop deforestation
- Minimize use of electricity (unplug stuff when not in use), use CFLs, adjust your thermostats
- Recycle, stop using plastic water bottles and grocery bags
- Use alternative fuels, solar, thermal and wind power
Just a few ideas. Will these things cost more? Most likely. But - IMO (for you, BS) - our planet would be better off.
And what do you do about China and India who won't do any of this and are bigger polluters than we are? How do you save the planet by yourself?
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"And what do you do about China and India who won't do any of this and are bigger polluters than we are? How do you save the planet by yourself?"
Doesn't matter, as long as the dogooders are busy finding more boondoggles to spend the tax payers money. Money, what's money, we can print more. No, I don't see a need. Let California pay for all overhead to implement these money syphoning ideas, they have a head start and they are so good at it.
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For those of you who care about these things:http://www.climatedepot.com/2015/01/16/scientists-balk-at-hottest-year-claims-we-are-arguing-over-the-significance-of-hundredths-of-a-degree-the-pause-continues/
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The NOAA version -http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/summary-info/global/2014/12 During 2014, the average temperature across global land and ocean surfaces was 1.24°F (0.69°C) above the 20th century average . This was the highest among all 135 years in the 1880–2014 record, surpassing the previous records of 2005 and 2010 by 0.07°F (0.04°C). I guess since the numbers are so small, we shouldn't worry, though, right?
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pabar61
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The NOAA is riddled with fraud.http://www.climatecommonsense2.com/2014/12/for-alan-more-fraud-at-noaa.html
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Would any of you naysayers agree that the industrial revolution has been ramped up in the nuclear age such that we no longer can rely on Mother Earth to clean up our waste? Chernobyl is a blight, but the day-to-day pollution of land, sea and air is obvious to even a casual observer. I have spoke to the value of the efforts in California to clean the air. Very evident in Southern California. It comes at a cost, to be sure. Read an article on the soaring cost of funding and quality of life for those advancing in years in China. Epidemic proportions. We worry about Baby Boomers aging and their financial burden on the US economy. Ramp that scale up to the kind of population numbers that would be China's elderly and you get a very red ledger page. And that can be direct cause/effect of a polluted environment. Can imagine India would be much the same. Reacting to Diet Coke's list: Some solutions that have been offered - many of which have been rejected by "deniers" - - Decrease reliance on fossil fuels (like not building Keystone XL), phase out coal-fired power plants Sooner or later, we need to go vegan, as in harness the sun. -Build green buildings Must convince cost effective or make feasible with rebates/tax breaks -Improve roads and infrastructure But please, no bullet train. Ugh. - Use mass transit, reduce road trips, live closer to work, buy hybrid and electric (or at least more fuel efficient) vehicles, etc. See above. - Stop deforestation Some inroads. But need to grown some good wood for quality guitars. - Minimize use of electricity (unplug stuff when not in use), use CFLs, adjust your thermostats CFLs waning. LEDs the better alternative. - Recycle, stop using plastic water bottles and grocery bags Recycle good. Plastic water bottles? Soccer mommies want those individual containers. The whole bag thing drives me batty. Am bad person to comment on this practice. - Use alternative fuels, solar, thermal and wind power Yes, but must be actually putting watts in the grid greater than the cost to build and maintain these system. Just a few ideas. Will these things cost more? Most likely. But - IMO (for you, BS)A gracious 'thank you' for the effort - our planet would be better off. Agreed.
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Originally Posted by BillSmith -Improve roads and infrastructure But please, no bullet train. Ugh.
Bill - Sure, take away the one bullet I found appealing. There goes my two nights at the Nikko and a game at AT&T park. (I don't know, how old will I be when it's done?)
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Dewey- Can fly you standby on the wife's pass list. No excuses. Get thee to AT&T. It is like Disney built a ball yard. A fun day. Will peer over the softball schedule. Motorcycle is fixed. Seriously considering a SoCal junket this spring.
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Originally Posted by DietCoke I guess since the numbers are so small, we shouldn't worry, though, right?
Sounds like a plan. Much better than some getting their panties in a wad screaming for more taxes to pay for more social engineering. Meanwhile the worlds worst polluters are doing as they please.
Last time I checked their is only one atmosphere on this planet.
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keepinitreal
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"I refuse to be lectured about science by people who ignore forensics and autopsy reports and deem a man guilty because it's how they FEEL."
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Interesting report by the government about hottest since the Midwest and East had one of the Top 20 coldest winters in recorded history. The Northern ice cap. We broke a record this past summer in St. Louis with the fewest days at or above 100 degrees. Interesting.
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Those who hate authority and discipline, in other words, cop-haters, are, also, global warming believers.....That, alone, discredits the global warming theory.......There are those whose mind has been hijacked, captured and bound and there are those who think rationally and are still in control of their mind......Those in control must stand their ground and save this country from the rest.....It's time to be outspoken about what is right.....
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It's still interesting how so many believe all these young bright people who educate themselves to the max, become pioneering scientists, and search out the answers to the world and mankind, subsequently dismiss this dream of discovery and turn to the almighty dollar by deliberately coming to wrong conclusions. The spirit of man's determination to learn the truth, the time, money, and effort invested in education, and the purpose of being in most cases, thrown out the window to perpetuate a lie for a supposed financial reward. Not to mention finding the truth has monetary benefits of its own. I suspect any reasonable person who sits back and marvels at the advances of this world realizes those who pioneered the way before us didn't search out deliberate miscalculations and pass on obvious misinformation. Unfortunately, the naysayers are nothing new. "There's no way you can put that machine on Mars. You're just saying that for the money."
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Same as those who ignore forensics and grand jury testimony, isn't it puzzling dewdy? The deniers
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Dewey, you're concerned with Mars, while America is burning....
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"Deliberately coming to wrong conclusions" - like NOAA and East Anglia. Speaking of bashing, those who are skeptical of the global warming (errrrrr - Climate Change) crowd are treated worse than Obama starting with being labeled as "deniers". I've got news for you people - by its very definition, the science is NOT settled.
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That's going to make this place even hotter.
bluedog
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More truth in that than what you probably understand, Dewey......
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Is there no end to the shenanigans that global warming alarmists will play in order to force their religion on us?http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/01/19/study-used-to-bolster-ny-fracking-ban-developed-by-anti-fracking-activists/
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Originally Posted by pabar61 Is there no end to the shenanigans that global warming alarmists will play in order to force their religion on us?
No. They have an agenda and truth be damned
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Since New Yorkers are so against fracking perhaps they should not avail themselves of the cheaper pump prices as a result of increased production. How about they continue to pay $5/gal as Obama wishes.
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