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keepinitreal

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I would like some honest debate with people from the Left, however Dewey doesn't provide that. I guess there is still some appeal in knocking him around again...


The lack of honest debate on his part was his downfall and all that was left was knocking him around for his dishonesty. Dewy was the most partisan member ever of the UCS miscellaneous forum. Him and people like him were directly responsible for their candidate's defeat. The sooner they recognize that and ask for forgiveness, will they begin to receive a new credibility. If they continue to blame others besides themselves, they will leave the door wide open for another defeat in 2020.

Anyone see "The Legacy of Barack Obama" on CNN this past week? Surprisingly honest timeline and discussion of the obummer presidency. Even learned a bunch of well kept secrets that the MSM were reluctant to present at the time.

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Michigan's evidence became proof.  They acted on it.

I let your other unsupported post on this go, but I'm calling BS this time. 

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Stein's failed recount accidentally proved massive voter fraud in Detroit and got Voter ID laws passed in Michigan.  Nice work!
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/christinerousselle/2016/12/09/michigan-house-passes-voter-id-n2257037

The article doesn't say anything about proving massive voter fraud in Detroit. Her unproven allegations provided some cover/support to strengthen MI's voter ID law.
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The article doesn't say anything about proving massive voter fraud in Detroit. Her unproven allegations provided some cover/support to strengthen MI's voter ID law.

Always happy to oblige you. It is like you do not even have google over at your house. 

I guess a little cover/support was all that was needed. 
Here is the article that shows the recount uncovered serous fraud.  Of course there are aritcles with democrats denying any fraud. 
http://www.wnd.com/2016/12/recount-uncovers-serious-fraud-in-detroit/

Here is the article stating the voter ID law passed the MI house. 
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/2016/12/07/strict-voter-law-approved-michigan-house/95127394/

Also states that is is likely to pass the Senate, which easily has enough republicans, and get signed by the republican governor

Does that answer your questions?




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Always happy to oblige you. It is like you do not even have google over at your house. 
Your failure to provide supporting info doesn't create a burden for me to find it - the onus is on you. It is like you post semi-relevant links hoping no one challenges you.

I guess a little cover/support was all that was needed. 
Here is the article that shows the recount uncovered serous fraud.  Of course there are aritcles with democrats denying any fraud. 
http://www.wnd.com/2016/12/recount-uncovers-serious-fraud-in-detroit/
Okay, this would have been appropriate for your claim.

Here is the article stating the voter ID law passed the MI house. 
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/2016/12/07/strict-voter-law-approved-michigan-house/95127394/
Not necessary since your original link covered this stricter voter ID law...

The WND article cites 1 precinct with a serious discrepancy in votes and references another article saying discrepancies were very minor (i.e. 1-5 votes) - http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/05/recount-unrecountable/95007392/. Hardly "massive voter fraud" by any objective measure. None of this has anything to do with voter ID.

The portion of the WND article regarding voter ID showed why they pushed to strengthen it, however it has nothing to do with the recount.

You conflated 2 different things. [rolleyes]
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To me the interesting thing about the Michigan recount is that it shines a glaring light on Detroit, another democrat controlled city that has been abandoned by its 'leaders'. No surprise that the worst voting irregularity was in Detroit. Here is what one of the people tasked with running one of the voting precints said during the recount:

"Unsurprisingly, a lot of these problems are concentrated in urban areas," she said. "The amount of funding and training and care that goes into these communities is very different. It seems that votes in some communities are treated with less respect."


A nice summary on Detroit.....or any of the top ten worst Amercian cities that are run by the democrats:

"Detroit last elected a Republican mayor in 1957. It is now the model of urban failure -- it’s recognized more for its poverty, crime, rot and bankruptcy than the great cars that it turned out into the early 1970s. It is the poorest big city in the nation, with almost 40% of the population living below the poverty line. The website Law Street actually ranks Detroit ahead of Flint as the country's most dangerous city. Either way, it’s clear that both cities have institutionalized crime problems.

Detroit is also a pit of political corruption. Just in recent years, one mayor, Kwame Kilpatrick, was convicted of corruption and sent to federal prison for 28 years, while building inspectors have been indicted on federal felony bribery charges and a former city council member was investigated in a bribery and kickback scandal."





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To me the interesting thing about the Michigan recount is that it shines a glaring light on Detroit, another democrat controlled city that has been abandoned by its 'leaders'. No surprise that the worst voting irregularity was in Detroit. Here is what one of the people tasked with running one of the voting precints said during the recount:

"Unsurprisingly, a lot of these problems are concentrated in urban areas," she said. "The amount of funding and training and care that goes into these communities is very different. It seems that votes in some communities are treated with less respect."


A nice summary on Detroit.....or any of the top ten worst Amercian cities that are run by the democrats:

"Detroit last elected a Republican mayor in 1957. It is now the model of urban failure -- it’s recognized more for its poverty, crime, rot and bankruptcy than the great cars that it turned out into the early 1970s. It is the poorest big city in the nation, with almost 40% of the population living below the poverty line. The website Law Street actually ranks Detroit ahead of Flint as the country's most dangerous city. Either way, it’s clear that both cities have institutionalized crime problems.

Detroit is also a pit of political corruption. Just in recent years, one mayor, Kwame Kilpatrick, was convicted of corruption and sent to federal prison for 28 years, while building inspectors have been indicted on federal felony bribery charges and a former city council member was investigated in a bribery and kickback scandal."






That's why dewy could never get past the emotion and describe what made democrat principles better principles for the masses. Democrat principles run by crooked democrats DON'T work. I can't see the dems winning POTUS again for many years.

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The WND article cites 1 precinct with a serious discrepancy in votes and references another article saying discrepancies were very minor (i.e. 1-5 votes) - http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/05/recount-unrecountable/95007392/. Hardly "massive voter fraud" by any objective measure. None of this has anything to do with voter ID.

The portion of the WND article regarding voter ID showed why they pushed to strengthen it, however it has nothing to do with the recount.

You conflated 2 different things. [rolleyes]

Me and lots of others observed that voter fraud led directly to the cover/support necassary to pass much stricter voterid laws in MI.

"Thanks to Jill Stein’s RECOUNT Michigan Just Passed a Voter-ID Bill"
http://truthfeed.com/thanks-to-jill-steins-recount-michigan-just-passed-a-voter-id-bill/40804/

"BACKFIRE! Jill Stein’s Recount Leads To New VOTER ID LAW In Michigan
http://americanlookout.com/backfire-jill-steins-recount-leads-to-new-voter-id-law-in-michigan/

"Jill Stein owed a refund if Michigan recount stops now"
http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/08/jill-stein-michigan-election-recount/95161338/

"All Thanks to Jill Stein’s Recount, New Strict Voter-ID Bill Gets Passed in Michigan"
http://www.youngcons.com/all-thanks-to-jill-steins-recount-new-strict-voter-id-bill-gets-passed-in-michigan/

Here there are a ton more:
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=jill+stein+recount+michigan+voter+id

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Your failure to provide supporting info doesn't create a burden for me to find it - the onus is on you. It is like you post semi-relevant links hoping no one challenges you.

I like how nevertrumpers think they are like MSM.  They get to point at everyone else and declare "Fake News".  Then when it turns out, they just slinks away quietly, drop that narrative and move on to the next one.
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whereas UWA only quotes the most credible of online "news" sources.
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This is why I like Trump.  If it needs to be said, he is willing to say it:


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Barneys BF must love playing with that rack.
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Barneys BF must love playing with that rack.


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Belly protruding is just as bad.........
PDad

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Me and lots of others observed that voter fraud led directly to the cover/support necassary to pass much stricter voterid laws in MI.

"Thanks to Jill Stein’s RECOUNT Michigan Just Passed a Voter-ID Bill"
http://truthfeed.com/thanks-to-jill-steins-recount-michigan-just-passed-a-voter-id-bill/40804/

"BACKFIRE! Jill Stein’s Recount Leads To New VOTER ID LAW In Michigan
http://americanlookout.com/backfire-jill-steins-recount-leads-to-new-voter-id-law-in-michigan/

"Jill Stein owed a refund if Michigan recount stops now"
http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/08/jill-stein-michigan-election-recount/95161338/

"All Thanks to Jill Stein’s Recount, New Strict Voter-ID Bill Gets Passed in Michigan"
http://www.youngcons.com/all-thanks-to-jill-steins-recount-new-strict-voter-id-bill-gets-passed-in-michigan/

Here there are a ton more:
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=jill+stein+recount+michigan+voter+id


LMFAO! These links merely prove you can find just about anything on the internet and Libs aren't the only ones with an echo chamber. 

My repudiation of your claim of the recount uncovering "massive voter fraud" stands. I also stand by my assertion that heightened concerns over tainted election results raised by Stein's recount campaign provided the cover/support to strengthen the voter ID law and I'll clarify the underlying issues are unrelated.

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I like how nevertrumpers think they are like MSM.  They get to point at everyone else and declare "Fake News".  Then when it turns out, they just slinks away quietly, drop that narrative and move on to the next one.

I like how Trumpies call everyone that pushes back on them a nevertrumper even though they're the issue, not Trump. Then they 'pop smoke' by posting something unrelated to cover their retreat.
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LMFAO! These links merely prove you can find just about anything on the internet and Libs aren't the only ones with an echo chamber. 

My repudiation of your claim of the recount uncovering "massive voter fraud" stands. I also stand by my assertion that heightened concerns over tainted election results raised by Stein's recount campaign provided the cover/support to strengthen the voter ID law and I'll clarify the underlying issues are unrelated.

Again the WND article covers two aspects:  
http://www.wnd.com/2016/12/recount-uncovers-serious-fraud-in-detroit/

First aspect was overall fraud of vote counting in Democratic precincts.  In one precinct they found 305 votes registered, 305 votes registered in the book, 305 votes on the ticket on the box.  When they unsealed the box, they found 50 ballots.  That first article references this article in the Gateway Pundit: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/12/revealed-michigan-recount-uncovers-massive-voter-fraud-detroit-precincts/

This second article goes on to state that upon hearing there would be a recount Detroit City Clerk Daniel Baxter, a democrat, knew there was going to be discrepancies exposed began forwarding an explanation even before the recount got underway. 
"Baxter’s claim is that, when trying to push the ballots through the readers, the ballots would be stuck and they’d have to push them through again thus ‘ACCIDENTALLY’ resulting in a double count. He says the poll workers sometimes ‘FORGET’ to adjust the machine count and instead let the ballot count twice." 

This type of fraud was found in largely democratic precincts.  They were not able to certify the results in 309 Democratic precincts as the vote counts from the machine printout did not match the ballots. 

The second aspect, one of voter id based fraud was down in the article.  For this they highlight two separate Project Veritas videos.  One where O'Keefe claimed he was a well known political reporter, the clerk clearly did not believe him but wanted him to vote anyway.  The second being the county clerks office overseeing the election claims the system was working when the clerk encourage him to vote, even when she knew he was not who he claimed, and had no id. 





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I like how Trumpies call everyone that pushes back on them a nevertrumper even though they're the issue, not Trump. Then they 'pop smoke' by posting something unrelated to cover their retreat.

No need to pop smoke.  I come back to issues as you request.  Just new things come up that are relevant.  It sometimes takes you a while to reply, and sometimes takes me a bit of time to reply back. 
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That's the way it works.

Question ANYTHING, doesn't matter what, and you are a #nevertrumper who wants Hillary to win, you support Obama, and you get all of your news from CNN.

The GOP perfecting the Alinsky process.


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I like how Trumpies call everyone that pushes back on them a nevertrumper even though they're the issue, not Trump. Then they 'pop smoke' by posting something unrelated to cover their retreat.
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It's all quite Deweyesque
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Again the WND article covers two aspects:  
http://www.wnd.com/2016/12/recount-uncovers-serious-fraud-in-detroit/

First aspect was overall fraud of vote counting in Democratic precincts. ...
You conveniently left out the other referenced article that said most variances were only 1-5 votes. IOW, not "massive"...

The second aspect, one of voter id based fraud was down in the article.  For this they highlight two separate Project Veritas videos.  One where O'Keefe claimed he was a well known political reporter, the clerk (poll worker) clearly did not believe him (not clear) but wanted him to vote anyway.  The second being the county clerks office overseeing the election claims the system was working when the clerk encourage him to vote, even when she knew he was not who he claimed, and had no id.

They followed procedure for someone without an ID since neither had proof his name wasn't Brian Dickerson nor the registration was for the newspaper writer. The law they're passing won't change this aspect, it's a partial solution that just requires they produce ID within 10 days or the vote won't count. Again, this was election day and had nothing to do with the recount.

To refresh everyone's memory, this is what you originally posted:
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Stein's failed recount accidentally proved massive voter fraud in Detroit and got Voter ID laws passed in Michigan.  Nice work!

I highlighted the portion at issue. The recount didn't prove massive fraud and the discrepancy in counting ballots is technically unproven "election fraud" since it wasn't perpetrated by those voters. There is evidence of some potential fraud, but it isn't proven nor massive.
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UWA, you're dealing with some real never-Trumper screwballs, ya know...........

They wanted Hillary..........[biggrin]
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They followed procedure for someone without an ID since neither had proof his name wasn't Brian Dickerson nor the registration was for the newspaper writer. The law they're passing won't change this aspect, it's a partial solution that just requires they produce ID within 10 days or the vote won't count. Again, this was election day and had nothing to do with the recount.

To refresh everyone's memory, this is what you originally posted:

I highlighted the portion at issue. The recount didn't prove massive fraud and the discrepancy in counting ballots is technically unproven "election fraud" since it wasn't perpetrated by those voters. There is evidence of some potential fraud, but it isn't proven nor massive.

Well Voter ID passed and that remains critical for Republicans.  So in the end I am happy. 
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Well Voter ID passed and that remains critical for Republicans.  So in the end I am happy. 

I'll agree it's progress to stop people from casting other people's votes. Those provisional ballots shouldn't prevent someone with ID from voting.
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I'll agree it's progress to stop people from casting other people's votes. Those provisional ballots shouldn't prevent someone with ID from voting.

Yep and I am happy!
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Those provisional ballots shouldn't prevent someone with ID from voting.

To clarify, casting a provisional ballot shouldn't prevent that registered voter from voting afterward, which the WND article indicated would have happened. The provisional ballots should also be conditional on no one voting with ID, beside providing ID within 10 days.
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To clarify, casting a provisional ballot shouldn't prevent that registered voter from voting afterward, which the WND article indicated would have happened. The provisional ballots should also be conditional on no one voting with ID, beside providing ID within 10 days.

As long as you are not allowed to directly and easily cast a vote without id, it will greatly reduce the problem.  

My assumption is that fraudulent votes cast this way are largely done by people because it is rock solid easy.  Everywhere we see even the most simple of voter id requirements, the fraud drops to near zero.

I just do not think people that are casting these fraudulent ballots are going to take the time to cast a provisional, then go down 10 days later to the clerks office to fill in paperwork.    

Right now the belief in New York, Philly, LA is that the lax voter id laws are being taken advantage of by organizers that gather busloads of voters and bus them to 2 or 3 polling locations to cast votes.  It will only take the smallest of barriers to stop this activity.  They are just not going to have the energy to put in the effort on any scale to jump through a lot of hoops. 
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"Records: Too many votes in 37% of Detroit’s precincts"
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/records-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/
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and too few votes in 22%. 79% of the overages were 4 votes or less.

Here is a breakdown of the irregularities in Detroit’s 662 precincts:

■236 precincts in balance — equal numbers of voters counted by workers and machines

■248 precincts with too many votes and no explanation (77 were 1 over; 62 were 2 over, 37 were 3 over, 20 were 4 over, 52 were 5 or more over).

■144 precincts with too few votes and no explanation (81 were 1 under, 29 were 2 under; 19 were 3 under; 7 were 4 under; 8 were 5 or more under)

■34 precincts out of balance but with an explanation

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You two are really scrogging the 'Friday night dewey fun' thread.
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You two are really scrogging the 'Friday night dewey fun' thread.

That is fine.  Keeps it up on the list.  Eventually dewster shows up and we goin have to scramble to dig this back up.

Would have been sweet if KIR talked Slapper into playing our game.
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