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bluedog

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Dewey, you said....

"You say tomato, I say tamotto."

I hear "socialism" when you speak....Keep the masses occupied by ridiculing the former administration until socialsm is put in place....It's a slight of hand...
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bluedog - Diditshouldyoubesleightseeofhandthat?
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Dewey, I don't mind you blaming Bush for messing up......What gets old is when you blame Bush for Obama's failures....That slight of hand doesn't work on all of us....
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CoachB - An HHS representative from Texas has reduced your estimates.  Read here.  In any event, Texas has the most uninsured so maybe over time, their costs will increase.  I don't really know.  You're getting very deep into the results of this law, much deeper than I can understand, and I'm uncertain as to what the central point is you are trying to make.


Dewey, those were NOT my numbers.  As I told you, I disregarded any site that I know to be a conservative site and presented numbers from a site that I didn't have a clue about.  I then provided a link to another site that had similar numbers that I found while trying to find the site I first referenced.  I'm not trying to deceive anyone and so stated that I knew nothing about those sites.  The point again was your statement or inference that very few will have to pay.  While you might have been referencing the penalty, we are all going to pay and handsomely in raised taxes for medicaid payments via a tax.  I thought that the middle class was not going to see a tax increase per the leader.

So let the states have to raise taxes and BHO will be able to say that HE didn't raise taxes.  Talk about the "end around."
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CoachB - HCA or no, this Country has been paying for folks getting medical care for as long as any of us can remember.  Hopefully, we'll now be paying less in the long term as those who can afford to will buy insurance.  Now have a good evening as I am headed out.
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You too!  You need a break from this site and spend the evening with ones you care about.
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Originally Posted by bluedog
Dewey, I don't mind you blaming Bush for messing up......What gets old is when you blame Bush for Obama's failures....That slight of hand doesn't work on all of us....
What worries me is that it does with many...sad,but true. Not talking about Dewey's [ although he is good],but talking about the Presidents slight of hand.[ he is VERY good].....the best I have seen.

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keepinitreal

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It seems a little selfish or self gratifying to say things are so great and wonderful in this country when so many are suffering. 


keepinitreal - Your three posts encouraging me to come out in support of this President once again, for reasons unbeknownst to me, were responded to back in post #50.  It has since been covered up by subsequent posts.  I pointed out the inaccuracy of your quote above, with regards to actual terms I used, and went on to explain how such a conclusion that one's happiness over a Presidents administration somehow means they're happy about everything not yet addressed.  Your quote couldn't have characterized me any more inaccurately.


Dewey, I probably spend 10% as much time on this site as you do.  It would be impossible for me to reply to your posts within an hour after you post it because I am doing other things and I don't own a smart phone with internet access.  I was doing more reading of the forum than posting until your silly "this democrat is happy" nonsense.

I believe about 40% of your happiness was attributed to obamacare.  The jury is out on whether socialized medicine will work or not in this country.  Your optimism is not shared by people I know. We just don't know if it will be good for America or not.  If the rest of us lose the good doctor and hospital care that our insurance has generally guaranteed then no, I am not happy for that.  (Like the chick in one of the videos I shared, she didn't think she had to buy gas no mo'.  Now no one has to work cuz obama will give them money and obama will give them free healthcare) The illegal immigrant situation has hurt our hospitals more than you would care to admit.  You cannot be seen in an emergency room in under 3-4 hours where I live.  Will the illegals also be covered under your medical umbrella??  When we rail for immigration reform we hear from the libs to leave their voter base alone.  We must be racists when we want our borders secured.  The state of Texas is fighting the Justice Department headed by a lackey of Obama who wants to tell us we don't have the right to require IDs to vote.  Absolutely absurd, your happy administration.

Your rosy employment numbers were countered by mine and other's points that underemployment is just as big a problem as unemployment in this country.  Your whole basis for your giddiness was summed up with obamacare and job creation.  Your happiness is easily bought.

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Now for those who still wish to paint a very negative picture of this Country, please tell me what is wrong with these results...

Citizens can no longer be denied or removed from insurance due to illness.

Citizens cannot have their insurance limited, and assets depleted, in the event they become seriously ill.

Stock market has made a significant recovery from four years ago.

Soldiers are gradually returning home and top al-Qaeda leaders have been eliminated.

President Obama has kept us safe for four years.


   


This is where I got my 40% number of democrats' happiness number from.



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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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So let the states have to raise taxes and BHO will be able to say that HE didn't raise taxes.  Talk about the "end around."


EXACTLY

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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
Dewey

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keepinitreal - You make this more difficult than it needs to be.  I started a thread and made a post regarding several things I'm quite happy about that have been achieved by this Administration.  I asked you to pick out any one of them and say, "Dewey, you should not be happy about this one".  No more, no less.  I didn't ask you to dream up any others that I didn't include.

If you want to ask me if I'm happy that anyone is out of work, even if it were only one percent, I'd say no.  If you want to ask me if I'm happy that some people abuse our welfare programs or some businesses abuse our consumers, I'd say no.  But these weren't on my list.  I listed certain things that make me happy in order to point out how there are millions of people satisfied with the efforts of this President.  This theme is not often expressed here by the numerous anti-Administration threads.  The other day, I felt it was time to write one.  You tend to think one positive thread is "silly" and dozens of negative threads are both proper and necessary.  I get that but I can't agree with you.  As I said, each time my positive point of view troubles a member to the point they criticize me for making them, I know I'm making a solid case that might be somewhat persuasive.  I understand this is something most members inside here do not want to see happen.  In any event, give me time and I'll better adjust to being called out for making supportive comments rather than just allowing the negative ones to go unanswered.  Sorry, but I just can't let all the bashing go on without some countering perspective.  If you can't handle the more positive views, then you'll have to learn to adjust too.  Have a good one.

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Dewey do you have any idea of the COST of the first two items you listed?
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keepinitreal

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dewey, I have countered all of your happy claims except the Bin Laden excitement.  When others don't counter your claims you like to use the term *crickets* because you think your points must be valid.  That or else you ask the question 4 or 5 times to make the point that others will not debate your claims.  Well I and others have countered your happy claims and I don't see too many lining up to support your views on this thread.

Again, this thread has run it's limits and if I take a break from it's nonsense for awhile I am sure you will blast out with the *crickets* again.  Have a good one.

and I will go on assuming the illegals will be covered under your rainbow medical umbrella.

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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
bluedog

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It's always been "blame Bush"...Now, there is a new nomenclature, "positive and negative posts"...Posts in favor of Obama are positive...And, posts not in favor of Obama are negative....

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I dont have to make a list to simply state I will vote for Romney to make sure the Arrogance leaves the White House. I want to insure that a business man comes into power with a good head on his shoulders. In my opinion that is what America needs.
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whomever becomes the president after Obama will do the same as Obama, blame the previous president for all his own errors.
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Hammer -   Well said !!!!  However, some are more culpable than others.        Frank
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keepinitreal - I don't know what else I can say as I've done my best to explain it.  You and others have every right to counter every Obama favoring post or comment I write.  I fully expect that.  What troubles me is that you found a need to tell another member that we appear to have a poster who has an unending need to write positive things about Obama.  It appeared you were putting me down for supporting this Administration and,  considering all the anti-left posts over the last three plus years, you calling me out as the annoying member was irritating to say the least.  

In addition, you found a need to characterize my post as "silly".  Why did you use this term and why was it necessary to write this?  You took a shot at my moderator role as if this is a reason why I post in favor of the President.  That cannot be more wrong.  Then you found a need to call me selfish and went on to tell me the proper way I should look at things, using rose colored glasses as your tool of criticism.  Don't you agree telling me how I should view things is a bit presumptuous? 

I'll have an exchange with you, or most anyone else, about the direction of this Country but I'll ask you, like I have asked several others, stick to the subject and quit characterizing me with terms like selfish or annoying.  Others have used blind, uncaring, and crazy as their terms of choice and I'm equally offended by those too.  It's really all that simple.  Counter my posts...but no need to call them silly or stupid.  Describe what's wrong with my comments but please don't try to describe, characterize, or instruct the commentator unless I write something rude or offensive.  I don't think that's asking too much.
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keepinitreal - I don't know what else I can say nothing else would be awesome
as I've done my best to explain it.  You and others have every right to counter every Obama favoring post or comment I write.  I fully expect that.  What troubles me is that you found a need to tell another member that we appear to have a poster who has an unending need to write positive things about Obama. that's the truth, you do not criticize this administration.
Fast and furious, underemployment, he has lost more jobs during his term than he has added
  It appeared you were putting me down for supporting this Administration  I was challenging your talking points

and,  considering all the anti-left posts over the last three plus years, you calling me out as the annoying member was irritating to say the least.  

In addition, you found a need to characterize my post as "silly". what's your point?
  Why did you use this term I had to keep it civil
and why was it necessary to write this?  You took a shot at my moderator role as if this is a reason why I post in favor of the President.  That cannot be more wrong. says who?
Then you found a need to call me selfish and went on to tell me the proper way I should look at things, using rose colored glasses That's what it is
as your tool of criticism.  Don't you agree telling me how I should view things is a bit presumptuous?  No

I'll have an exchange with you, or most anyone else, about the direction of this Country but I'll ask you, like I have asked several others, stick to the subject I did

and quit characterizing me with terms like selfish or annoying.  Others have used blind, uncaring, and crazy as their terms of choice and I'm equally offended by those too. Sorry

It's really all that simple.  Counter my posts...but no need to call them silly or stupid. don't think I said "stupid"

  Describe what's wrong with my comments but please don't try to describe, characterize, or instruct the commentator you do the same thing, inferring a cowardice when your points are not countered in a timely manner

unless I write something rude or offensive.  I don't think that's asking too much.  maybe not.  the words of the great woody come to mind.  "this is an internet forum, get a firm grip".

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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Got it.  We'll let that be the last word.  Now, can I go back to being happy?

PS:  One sentence was meant to be in direct correlation to the preceding sentences.  The term silly connected to the "selfish and annoying" terms I applied to you and "stupid" was in connection to the "others" who call me crazy.  I see how my poor writing made it look like I accused you of calling me stupid.  My bad.
bluedog

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Joisey called me silly in this thread...I didn't fall apart over it....
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Bluedog - I didn't call you silly, I called your post and your omnicient perspective silly.  I do not think in any way that you are a silly man.  As a matter of fact, you strike me as a very serious man.  Frank
PS - I am glad that you didn't fall apart; that was certainly not my intention.  

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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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I saw someone on Lou Dobbs the other night [ highly respected by all sides],sorry I can't remember,anyhow he predicted Romney will win the popular vote,but lose the election. I think he could be right.
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Diane Sawyer and ABC news corp. says it will boil down to roughly 10 battleground states with these 4 being the most important...Ohio, Florida, Nevada and Colorado.  Winning the popular vote and losing the election will be such a shame.  The silent majority need to get off their collective asses
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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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I think Romney will win unless there is enough fraud by the unions.  Why do you think Obama gave them so much money.  Heard they have built up billions to spend and I would not be surprised.  That is why Holder is fighting photo ID in states so hard. Al Franken won with fraud, they tried to win over Bush in Florida with fraud etc and the repubs are just now trying to clean the slate.  We need to get better leaders for all the people that have some morals and are willing to call it like it is.  Allen West and a couple others like Christie are probably a good start.
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If Romney chooses Christie to run with him, it will be as tight as it can get....You know the loser will file challenge after challenge in court....It could go on for a long time....This nation is truly divided.....

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I saw someone on Lou Dobbs the other night [ highly respected by all sides],sorry I can't remember,anyhow he predicted Romney will win the popular vote,but lose the election. I think he could be right.


I saw that as well but don't watch Lou Dobbs.  Nothing against him just don't watch.  However, it is entirely possible but has been done before. 

Christie can not be the VP candidate.  He would just tear us apart more.  I like a couple of candidates but would like to see Ryan, Rice or Rubio.  I think all can handle the Office of the President as well as represent our country with dignity in foreign affairs.  Ryan is the person with the budget though even his plan needs work.  Rice has all of the experience anyone could ask for in foreign affairs.  Rubio?  Well, he is young and energetic and could inspire the party.  Yes, he is Hispanic as well and that has to be taken in to account with Florida polling today by the Miami Herald showing President Obama with a 1% lead in Florida.   
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Without Christie,  Romney will lose the election.....Coach, this country is already torn apart badly....The election is gonna be really ugly...

I can tell ya, I'm independent and don't like either party....And, I wouldn't vote for Romney with Rubio on the ticket....
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It's been interesting, these last couple of weeks, listening to Republicans and talk radio hosts discuss the problems of the GOP.  We have Governor Jindal pointing out how Republicans must stop saying stupid things.  On the radio stations they are asking Senator McCain to stay out of the immigration discussion and let Rubio sell the program.  The Speaker has brought up bills without a majority of his caucus in favor and we have constituents complaining about regional nominees.  The GOP is desperately trying to identify itself and ultimately survive.  The reason I bring all this up is if you listen to some in the Republican Party, they're trying to make a case that President Obama is out to destroy the GOP.  In other words, if this Party fractures beyond repair, they'll blame this on Obama too.  There is no end.
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Dewey - be careful not to attribute any one attitude to any particular portion of the Republican party.  One of the reasons there are issues is because so many in positions of leadership have gotten away from the conservative principles that are the bedrock of a constitutional republic.

I'm not sure that Obama spends that much time worrying about how to destroy the Republican party.  He is so intent on "fundamentally transforming" this country that the Republican party is in a quandary as to how to react.  Does it try to work with him in some way in order to find some sort of middle ground that will avert a complete shift to the left or does it take the hard line and return to its conservative roots.  It's a difficult position because the former position is more politically expedient but the latter position is the better long-term solution but requires an enormous amount of character and discipline.

My belief is that this country can only be saved by a principled conservative approach.  It starts with an economy that gets government spending under control and reduces our debt - slowly to be sure.  A few years ago then-Senator Obama said, "I rise, today, to talk about America's debt problem. The fact that we are here to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure and our government's reckless fiscal policies."

Interesting.
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