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Dewey

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Needless to say, I'm happy the Affordable Health Care Act is now the law of the land.  I'm happy folks will no longer be denied insurance or kicked off policies should they become sick.  I'm relieved to know bankruptcy is not around the corner for those who get seriously ill.  I realize those with serious cancer or heart disease were able to find care in today's world but it's nice to know that blood tests, x-rays, physicals, and other preventive care will now be accessible to almost all, which will help prevent many of these illnesses from developing in the first place.
 
I'm happy that a Democrat is heading our foreign policy.  I'm thrilled to see our young men and women now returning home from the wars abroad.  I'm glad we're not asking those that serve to waterboard or practice other enhanced interrogations.  Try as you may but there can be no denying the positive results of eliminating vast numbers of top al-Qaeda leaders under this President.  Under President Bush we heard daily how safe he kept us and now that talking point has been buried about as deep as the opposition can bury it.  This President must have surprised many of those on the Right in his foreign policy successes.
 
I'm happy we have a Democrat President addressing out deficits.  A Democrat knows deficits are detrimental to taking the steps necessary to make this Country greater.  I think this opinion is substantiated by the balanced budget days of the Clinton Presidency.  I've made the case Republicans need deficits to further their drive to cut the size of Government.  Outside of woody pointing out President Bush didn't care about increased deficits, nobody came close to explaining why he allowed our deficits to climb by failing to fund wars or the Rx program, all while passing significant tax cuts for the wealthy.  To me it's quite clear no Republican efforts to end Government programs can be successful with a budget that is balanced. 
 
The opposition will call this President the biggest spender ever but this again is both unfair and untrue, imo.  His stimulus was actually one third tax cuts and the rest was necessary to turn the economy around.  This stimulus was but a minor reason for our deficit problems and I challenge anyone to spell out the spending that drove our deficits higher.  Most spending was required by law to care for all the folks hit hard by the economic collapse.  In addition, President Obama may not succeed but he understands returning our tax rates back to the Clinton days will go a long way to returning our budget to a more sound and fair one.  Just imagine where the Republicans will be as this President returns us to lower and lower deficits as the economy improves in the years to come. 
 
I'm happy for the return of the auto industry and all those whose jobs depended upon it.  A Republican President may have let it, and the unions that accompany the industry, go by the wayside.  Then they would have complained louder at the higher unemployment rate and the increased spending that accompanies folks out of work.
 
I'm happy we had a Democrat President to lead us out of this financial collapse.  I'm glad President Obama helped those who suffered job losses during this once in a lifetime financial collapse, not unlike the manner society comes to the aid of those who suffer from natural disasters.  Ninety nine weeks may have upset many but twenty six weeks UE were simply insufficient during these very difficult times.  I feel much better that the return of the stock market has improved the net worth of many who saw their retirement assets drop to horrific levels.  I'm also pleased this President understood the middle class needed tax cuts to both help their financial predicament and to spur the economy to new growth.  If you want to say this President failed to return revenue to the levels they should be, then that's at least a legitimate case to make.  What isn't legitimate is to say this President spent us into oblivion.  Spell out the spending specifically, if you think I'm wrong, but don't mention healthcare as this was paid for according to the CBO.   
 
I'm happy for the gains made in the gay community.  Serving this Country openly and moving toward marriage equality rights are no small issues.
 
I'm happy this President is willing to address immigration reform and the millions who are effected by it.  The Republicans were willing to do the same at one time but those days now seem long ago.
 
Some will ask me if I'm happy for the debt passed down to our children.  I'll say no and repeat how a Democrat will focus on this problem in stronger and more fair terms.  There are no American citizens who believe long term deficits should be ignored.
 
Now before you try to deter my happiness, please tell me what made you happy in the last two Republican Administrations.  Other than the recent President Bush's humanitarian efforts in addressing the HIV epidemic in Africa, or his short term consideration of the immigrant problem, I'm not sure what else a Republican hangs their "happiness" hat on.  I'd be interested in what your list might include 
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The only thing returning is a recession....The 8.2% unemployment is a flawed government figure...The real number is alot higher....The bailout system Europe is attempting won't work any better than did Obama's....There is alot of failure fixing to run it's course...And, it will be time to pay the piper....Now, current administrations of all these countries kow this....They are trying to fill their personal cash accounts before getting kicked to the curb.... 
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I'm glad you're happy.  8.2% of Americans are very miserable right now.




No, I'm definitely not happy about that and I wish Congress would come together on something to boost this economy.  As I've said before, an election year will likely keep them from taking steps to improve our economic growth.  Both the IMF and Bernanke are pleading with Congress to avoid the "fiscal cliff" and do something early.  The uncertainty holding us back revolves around what this Congress will eventually allow to happen...ending all tax cuts, huge spending cuts, and another debt ceiling battle.

IMF’s Lagarde: US Must Address ‘Fiscal Cliff’ Now to Avoid Disaster

Will 'Taxmageddon' trigger a new recession?

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2. Give a one time amnesty for bringing back the huge amount of cash corporations are hoarding off shore.


Corporations are now hoarding two trillion.  How would building their savings up even more help at all?  WSJ says no.
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Dewey said "I'm happy we have a Democrat President addressing out deficits.  A Democrat knows deficits are detrimental to taking the steps necessary to make this Country greater.  I think this opinion is substantiated by the balanced budget days of the Clinton Presidency."

Dewey I fell off my chair laughing at that one!
By the way, how will that wonderful Obamacare effect the deficit?

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Lets bring up a balanced budget amendment vote in the House, and Senate. Further, let the House lop off 10% of all Federal spending, department, by department, budget line, by budget line. Clinton and the Dems would gag, and all the Republicans would convulse, except for the evil Tea Party Candidates, who would rejoice in fiscal responsibility being attempted.
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for dewey


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The real unemployment is 14.5%.  Labor participation is at an all-time low.  The idea that Obama is addressing the deficits after adding over $5 trillion in 3 years is ludicrous.  The idea that it's Congress's job to boost the economy is evidence of a mind that doesn't understand the power of free markets.  And, of course, the big elephant in the room is that, during Obama's first two years, when Democrats controlled the legislative and executive branches of the government, they squandered it on Obamacare and a failed attempt at cap and trade.  Obama's only goal as POTUS is to get as many people suckling at the bosom of government as possible so as to eternally lock those votes in for the Democrats.
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Classic Dewey, the oppressed must need a little "me" time as well. Thank goodness, the American taxpayer was able to provide for some quality time for food stamp recipients. God forbid they feed their children with the handout.

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keepinitreal

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Dewey is so happy with things as they are, I thought he might like to join the party
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Dewey says,

Needless to say, I'm happy the Affordable Health Care Act is now the law of the land.  I'm happy folks will no longer be denied insurance or kicked off policies should they become sick.  I'm relieved to know bankruptcy is not around the corner for those who get seriously ill.  I realize those with serious cancer or heart disease were able to find care in today's world but it's nice to know that blood tests, x-rays, physicals, and other preventive care will now be accessible to almost all, which will help prevent many of these illnesses from developing in the first place.
 
I'm happy that a Democrat is heading our foreign policy.  I'm thrilled to see our young men and women now returning home from the wars abroad.  I'm glad we're not asking those that serve to waterboard or practice other enhanced interrogations.  Try as you may but there can be no denying the positive results of eliminating vast numbers of top al-Qaeda leaders under this President.  Under President Bush we heard daily how safe he kept us and now that talking point has been buried about as deep as the opposition can bury it.  This President must have surprised many of those on the Right in his foreign policy successes.
 
I'm happy we have a Democrat President addressing out deficits.  A Democrat knows deficits are detrimental to taking the steps necessary to make this Country greater.  I think this opinion is substantiated by the balanced budget days of the Clinton Presidency.  I've made the case Republicans need deficits to further their drive to cut the size of Government.  Outside of woody pointing out President Bush didn't care about increased deficits, nobody came close to explaining why he allowed our deficits to climb by failing to fund wars or the Rx program, all while passing significant tax cuts for the wealthy.  To me it's quite clear no Republican efforts to end Government programs can be successful with a budget that is balanced. 
 
The opposition will call this President the biggest spender ever but this again is both unfair and untrue, imo.  His stimulus was actually one third tax cuts and the rest was necessary to turn the economy around.  This stimulus was but a minor reason for our deficit problems and I challenge anyone to spell out the spending that drove our deficits higher.  Most spending was required by law to care for all the folks hit hard by the economic collapse.  In addition, President Obama may not succeed but he understands returning our tax rates back to the Clinton days will go a long way to returning our budget to a more sound and fair one.  Just imagine where the Republicans will be as this President returns us to lower and lower deficits as the economy improves in the years to come. 
 
I'm happy for the return of the auto industry and all those whose jobs depended upon it.  A Republican President may have let it, and the unions that accompany the industry, go by the wayside.  Then they would have complained louder at the higher unemployment rate and the increased spending that accompanies folks out of work.
 
I'm happy we had a Democrat President to lead us out of this financial collapse.  I'm glad President Obama helped those who suffered job losses during this once in a lifetime financial collapse, not unlike the manner society comes to the aid of those who suffer from natural disasters.  Ninety nine weeks may have upset many but twenty six weeks UE were simply insufficient during these very difficult times.  I feel much better that the return of the stock market has improved the net worth of many who saw their retirement assets drop to horrific levels.  I'm also pleased this President understood the middle class needed tax cuts to both help their financial predicament and to spur the economy to new growth.  If you want to say this President failed to return revenue to the levels they should be, then that's at least a legitimate case to make.  What isn't legitimate is to say this President spent us into oblivion.  Spell out the spending specifically, if you think I'm wrong, but don't mention healthcare as this was paid for according to the CBO.   
 
I'm happy for the gains made in the gay community.  Serving this Country openly and moving toward marriage equality rights are no small issues.
 
I'm happy this President is willing to address immigration reform and the millions who are effected by it.  The Republicans were willing to do the same at one time but those days now seem long ago.
 
Some will ask me if I'm happy for the debt passed down to our children.  I'll say no and repeat how a Democrat will focus on this problem in stronger and more fair terms.  There are no American citizens who believe long term deficits should be ignored.
 
Now before you try to deter my happiness, please tell me what made you happy in the last two Republican Administrations.  Other than the recent President Bush's humanitarian efforts in addressing the HIV epidemic in Africa, or his short term consideration of the immigrant problem, I'm not sure what else a Republican hangs their "happiness" hat on.  I'd be interested in what your list might include 

Dewey rules!
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I was happy when Bush was president because we had lower taxes (Obamacare is the largest tax increase in history), we had lower unemployment, we had lower debt, we had lower deficit, we had lower gas prices, and we had an America loving president who believed in free market capitalism.
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I am also thankful that we are spending, spending, spending for the sheeple.  Looking for a handout instead of a help up, 1 in 7 Americans on food stamps.  Just another "buy your vote" program

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Some cute responses but the points are mostly ignored.  Let's talk deficits and which Party is more apt to address them.
 
Only one of you had the wherewithal to address the explanation regarding what President Bush was thinking, deficit-wise, when he failed to pay for two wars and Rx program all while cutting taxes.  Did he think these would have no effect on the deficit?  Take a shot at what his thought process must have been.  I think if you try hard enough, you can conclude he either wanted to increase deficits or he could care less if they increased.  So much for Republicans and deficits.
 
To the contrary, Obama has worked hard to decrease long term deficits.  He took steps to improve our revenue and to cut spending over time.  Ask the Speaker.  He has pushed for top level tax rates to return to Clinton levels thus reducing the deficit.  His Health Care Act was designed to restrict the extreme growth of Medicare, Medicaid, and health care expenditures, which add to the deficit.  The new spending in the bill was offset by cuts and a slower growth in what this Country spends on healthcare will now result.  Republicans never once attempted to control these costs before Obama stepped up. 
 
Deficit or no deficit, Republicans will never address tax revenue as part of deficit reduction.  President Bush proved that.  Lastly, a Republican will ignore a deficit if it means any slow down in military spending.  A Democrat knows we can't allow such unlimited spending if we want a budget to eventually be balanced.  I repeat, if you want to blame President Obama for increasing deficits, you must spell out what discretionary spending he has done that was unrelated to improving our deficit problem.  Until then, it's obvious that Republicans need and pursue deficits to further their goals.  I'm not saying they always try to spend our money, (except for wars and military buildup), but they desperately try to suppress revenue in hopes they can force deficits and build their argument that something needs to be done.
 
Grizzly - It seems your list relied on a crystal ball regarding what would happen in the future.  In real time, your list probably reads more like this.  "I'm happy Bush lowered taxes and increased the deficit.  I'm happy with how the wars are going.  I'm happy about the growing deficits under President Bush and that he is unconcerned with paying for any spending whatsoever.  I am happy about the state of our economy under Bush except for the crash of the stock market, the dramatic loss of jobs, and the near collapse of our financial system.  I'm happy I still have a job."
 
keepinitreal - The Food Stamp program is law, not Obama spending. 
 
woody - Ahhh, the balanced budget amendment.  If only we had one.  Then we could slash taxes and force cuts in all Government safety net programs.  We would constantly drive down revenue, any way we can, and eventually eliminate the need of the Federal Government.  If you don't think this idea is foolish, imagine if individuals and businesses could not borrow.  What about an emergency or a brilliant idea in need of funding?  What about investing in significant purchases without time to finance them?  Put a balanced budget amendment into law and what Bush did to increase deficits would pale compared to what the next Republican would do.  One war could wipe out every Government Department currently in existence.

Now if anyone wants to post their "happy list" or attempt to explain how the past Republican Administrations showed concern for deficits, feel free to try.  I made my case, how about you?
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Dewey you seriously are in la la land.  Obama and the libs owned govt for two years. Under the Obama admin our country has accumulated more debt than all the other presidents combined.  That is a fact.  The libd could have increased increased taxes etc....  Instead they did a big govt taker of healthcare and anything else they could get their hands on to buy power and votes and try to fundamenally change this country into a socialist/ communist country to empower them and their cronies forever.  They have signed up more people on entitlement crap than ever in history.  You guys had your chance and look what you did with it.  Even though I am not a big Bush fan, he still was tons better than this communist.  You guys brought about and the repubs didnt stop it the crash in housing and banking with your nice community reinvestment act.

 Our country has had way to much liberal and mealy mouthed repub control to last us for a while.  It time we get some true conservatives, especially in congress, to start taking back this country like the founders intended.  Romney is not what I would like, but once again there is no competition between he and Obama.  Obama is weak compared to Romney as far as ehat it takes to be president, but Romney needs to become more politically savy because he is dealing with a ruthless liar that will do and say anything to stay in power and the media is in his back pocket so they will cover all his lies.

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Dewey when you refer to the "government safety net programs" don't you mean to say the "government hammock" programs?
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For Dewey happiness is backing a habitual liar.  Now at Carnegie Mellon Univ he tells people he was outspent by the repubs in 2008.  He also said that in Ohio.  He is unbelievable.  He lies at every turn.  I know alot of politicians are bad, but he is the biggest liar and our worst president in history.
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Susan - You do have some serious hate rants going on !!!!!   Wow !!!
Just what are these conservatives you speak of going to do to change "The Washington Way", and who are they?    Frank


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people wake up even if Obama is not reelected and Romney wins, the economy will still continue to go down hill. As long as manufacturing is cheaper overseas our economy will suffer. even engineering companies have moved out.
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keepinitreal - The Food Stamp program is law, not Obama spending. 
 


your point is??  I have not used the O word in either post on this thread.  Social welfare at any level is many times blood money for votes, as is corporate welfare. I am not "happy" at all under this administration, especially those inept a$$holes in congress. I am not happy at all seeing so much of my paycheck going to fund your dream world of my country trying to spread the wealth, twice as much to corporations as to social welfare.  Stop the Madness!!

I was happy with the Bush tax cuts, there should be many more tax cuts.  More disposable spending for me and mine and that will make me happy, let me spend more of the money I worked hard to make.  To my government......Get out of my wallet, get out of my business and get off the dole.

Dewey for your entertainment, bailouts and bull.  How does all this spending other people's money make you so damn happy?  We are all whacked out

#!

This video affirms LMUfan statement and also woody when he stated that there are always crisis in government.  Always excuses for big government

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I agree that the congress needs to help.


5. DO NOT expand the government in the guise of helping the economy. That's a Ponzi scheme and should not be permitted under any circumstances.



I loved the part where Nancy pelosi said, 2 different times, that 500 million people would lose their jobs.  really, 500 million Americans?? wow LOOPY



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How does all this spending other people's money make you so damn happy? 


keepinitreal - Without taxation from the people, this whole Country collapses.  As for your food stamp implications, it appeared you were suggesting Obama is to blame for the increased hungry in this Country.  Now I understand you likely meant Bush, Obama, and all politicians are responsible.

Finally, which spending troubles you the most and what would you like the President of your choice to do instead?

PS:  Did you know the you tube video was a Nightclub Gimmick?  They also have Fat Tuesday.  I hope wherever you found this video explained such.  Many asked the nightclub to change the name of the promotion.  Food stamps cannot be used for alcohol anyway.  Now speaking of nights out, I have a dinner date.  Good night.
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Yes, I could understand the English language that was used in the youtube video, thanks for asking.  Did you not understand that I was celebrating your happiness with an invite to a social welfare ball?  right up your alley Robin Hood
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Finally, which spending troubles you the most and what would you like the President of your choice to do instead?



Bailing out big business (banks, auto, and airlines) and a close 2nd would be

Federal housing subsidies.....Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and any other ill conceived plan to give homes to those that under any other legit scheme would fail to qualify.  It is not an American "right" to own a home.  I had to work very hard to get my 10% down about 12 years ago to build my home.  Now I work hard to make sure my payments are made.  Like any dream you should be willing to work for it, able is another story.

My family had to do a little "planned parenting" if you know what I mean.  Sure we would all love to have the family of 4 kids, just not always financially responsible.  We really should bring back more aggressive forms of birth control (discussion for another time.)

Dewey, if you ever have time when you aren't moderating your board, why don't you read some of the Cato Institute findings. I will include a link for your viewing pleasure.

http://www.downsizinggovernment.org/

and for dessert

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=eE-Rqvk6rmM


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keepinitreal - It seems you've gone all John Stossel/Libertarian on me and I see little to gain spending energy countering all your concerns.  I have enough on my plate emphasizing the positives of re-electing Obama over the challenger Romney.  You're against Bush bailing out banks, Obama bailing out the auto industry, or any short term Government assistance saving any industry.  I think I'll just let you run with this on your own time.  Same with the support of home-ownership under the last Administration.  That's ancient history, under the previous Administration, and I'll let others address your concerns here too if they so choose.  You've got issues far greater than I care to get into.

With regards to kids, if I can read between the lines, I sense a suggestion birth should be regulated at a time folks don't even want insurance mandated.  Not sure how many support your notion but this is another area I have no interest in getting into.  Whatever you're hinting at, I'll leave this for others to conjure as well.

Lastly, I have no idea why, like some others, you found a need to bring up moderating.  Unless I'm mistaken, it seems like a cheap shot.  Not sure how this subject fits into this thread at all. 
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Dewey just face it. We have different views of what America should be.
Conservatives want free market capitalism that encourages and rewards those who take risks, start businesses, and work hard.
Dewey wants a society where no matter what you earn, everyone should pool their money together in a big pot and share it so that nobody goes without their needs met.
The problem with Dewey's world is that if everyone gets the same, then people figure out that they really don't need to produce. Much less take any risks to get ahead because you never really get ahead. If you work harder and earn more, you simply have to put more into the pot.
Dewey, what is it that made America the greatest country on earth? What is it that is so great that people risk their lives and the lives of their children to come to America? Are they coming here for the Socialism or for the opportunities that are created by freedom and free market capitalism?

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I think that the biggest misconception from those who promote "free market capitalism" is that those who oppose that absolute concept want equal financial reward.  That is simply not the case.  Those who promote aid to the needy in a society are perfectly willing to have CEOs, for example, keep spendable three or four million per year (top end life style for themselves and their families) while they share their other one million income with those "less fortunate".  That is a compromise between laissez faire capitalism and one of the basic tenets of Socialism. A graduated income tax in our nation has already established the concept, now the discussion is whether it should be implemented in reality, and to what degree. The alternative would be to return to an Age of the Robber Barons (laissez faire capitalism) and the social results of that era, a feudal society made up of the relatively few very wealthy and the serfs who labor for them to maintain their economic status.  One must ask himself or herself just what is the meaning of "The Great Experiment" of our democratic republic and if free market economics fills the bill for that idea, and if government is playing the role assigned to it effectively.  In simplistic terms, there absolutely must be a much better job in government of monitoring what monies come in and what monies go out - and why. The Washington Way must be abolished.    

There are legitimate  arguments on either side, especially if one generalizes from a specific concept like "I earned my money and want to keep it all" or "I am entitled to handouts from my government who will take care of me".  There just might be room for compromise, and there absolutely is a need for much better government effective oversight (so much waste of tax dollars that could be better spent) in all areas of spending and in taxation for purposeful concepts of government and effective and meaningful redistribution of the wealth of our great nation.         Frank

PS - Personally, as one who was fortunate enough to be born (lower economic class) into a nation with all its magnificent freedoms and opportunities for upward social and economic mobility for some, I think that my nation should be considering more humane values than simply the profit motive.  The only questions in my mind are "To what degree?" and "With what efficiency?".

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So you did or did not find time to check out the Cato institute findings?  My concern is your thread Dewey.  The misery index was at a 28 year high just last year and you are coming in telling us how great things are under this administration. 

You asked this question,

"Finally, which spending troubles you the most and what would you like the President of your choice to do instead?"

and then when I provided you with an answer you went all Roberto Duran on me. "no mas, no mas".

I bring up your moderating duties to highlight your steadfast attitude to constantly give the board the rose colored glasses view, "everything is great because my man is in office."  Do you do research into what is happening with America?  You will not admit, things are not great for the country as a whole.  You do not see the U.S. government for what it is, a huge cash grab, with way too many hands in the cookie jar.  My purpose here on this thread is to rebut your 1%er view. 

Sunday morning highlights as we speak on ABC

"Economic recovery has stalled"

"Another Bleak jobs report"



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Joiseyguy - the problem is we have been giving toward the socialist side for over 60 years now.  Thats why our deficit is greater than our GDP! Thats why we had the recent financial collapse because GOVT, especially libs, insisted banks make home loans to people that couldnt afford them.  Many liberal entities literally strongarmed banks, thus over the yrs since Carter and Clinton, who doubled down on it,we got wworse and worse fiscally, ultimately causing the housing and banking crash and our economic crash now.  I think it has proved the socialist scale that the libs want will bankrupt this country.  This month alone only 80,000 JOBS WERE CREATED VS 87,000 PEOPLE GOING ONTO SS DISABILITY!  How long do you think we will last that way.  The point is we have tried the socialist experiment and it is killing this great nation.  OUR COUNTRY WILL ALWAYS BE COMPASSIONATE !BUT THERE WILL BE NOTHING LEFT TO BE COMPASSIONATE WITH IF WE KEEP THIS IGNORANT MAN AND HIS ADMIN IN OFFICE!   Remember alot of these people think MAO and CHAVEZ are great.  Obama just gave an executive order trying to take over more control of communications, but using in the name of a crisis as usual.  He is definitely getting while the getting is good.  Nice little dictator with all his executive orders and bypassing Congress!
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Susan - You were making all kinds of sense, ----- and then the venomous fangs of hatred took over your intellect and you reverted to name calling and demonizing  which, frankly, really turns me off, no matter who does it.  

Yes, overspending (how is the Iraq war and our investment in Afghanistan treatin ya? - how about corporate outsourcing and downsizing to feed the profit motive?) in many ways, not just "entitlements", have created a huge debt (credit card economy in government) which will not be rectified in our lifetimes, no matter who is elected to the administrative branch. Our former vice-President said that "debt is good"; yes, but for whom?  Reckless spending (cut taxes to primarily favor wealthy folks and go to costly war for example) is absolutely part of the problem as is widespread thievery in entitlement programs without oversight and "governmental, industrial, military complex" spending without effective oversight .  To blame one aspect of government spending is folly.  That's like shooting an elephant with a bee bee gun and blaming the shooter when the elephant doesn't fall. "The Washington Way" demands a complete values overhaul if we as a nation are going to come anywhere near settling that debt that you mentioned.  Otherwise, it will be "business as usual".  Governmental fiscal responsibility in our nation is a joke and a fiction.  Now, who will "bell the cat?".    Frank

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Frank, the only side that comes close to "bell the cat" as you put it is the repubs.  Yes the electorate needs to stay on top of them too.  But all that outsourcing etc... is all a consequence of govt intervention.  Remember, congress has only really been in republican hands for a short period of time in the last 60 yrs.  When Bush was in office they only had a one person majority in the senate which means constantly giving in to liberal spending. The wars were as much about freedom for people as WMDs but people seem to forget that and with Obamas admin all this is just about for nothing as he is making it even easier for the muslim extremists to take over.  He wants to take more and more control away from us and give it to his union cohorts at IMF and the lovelies at the UN which is rarely talked about in the news either.

Yes the repubs arent great, but its a step in the right direction and it is imperative on the electorate to make sure we stay the exceptional country our founders created!

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