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Dewey

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pabar - I know you will disagree but the day Obama took office, it was nearly guaranteed our debt would rise for the next fifteen or twenty years or more.  The crash of revenues was simply too great.  Rep. Ryan proposed a budget that never balanced.  This economic collapse will take time to grow out of.  As I've previously stated, Obama has reduced the growth of spending and will continue to do so.  We need to focus on growing the economy and end this extreme obsession with these near term deficits.

When Reagan took office he inherited thirteen consecutive years of deficits.  Not only didn't he stop this streak but he upped spending and doubled the size of the deficits for eight more years.  I'm sure it was his plan to solve these deficits over the long term while addressing the needs of the Country in the short term.
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Dewey, I agree the GOP hierarchy has completely failed. Instead of nominating conservative candidates, and promoting Conservative principals, they do the typical Dole, McCain, Romney stick. The GOP has established itself as a Northeastern Country Club Party. They, along with the Democrat party, and the "press", destroyed the Tea Party. The Tea Party was a grassroots movement of America, that was once the GOP's savior in 2010. The GOP saw the threat to their reign, and threw Tea Party Candidates under the bus, when they realized the threat to the elitist GOP foundation. The GOP is dysfunctional, now, not only trying to stray from conservatism, and be similar to the Democrats, but also buy votes with legislation. It is a mistake in my opinion, and will lead to a total takeover of the Federal government by Socialist Democrats. Win for the Dems, and a loss for the GOP, but after that, a total failure for our Society. I really see another Party coming into existence, call it Tea Party, call it Independent, but the GOP has lost their base, especially in the South, by not sticking to Conservative values. I will equate it to this, who was the marketing genuis behind this? Kind of like JC Penney hiring Ron Johnson, of Apple fame to rebrand their store's marketplace. Mr. Johnson made a complete, and total calculated failure in marketing. He totally ignored the customer base. JC Penney's sales are driven by the absolute fact that Women love to get online coupons to get $10 off an item that has been reduced from 300% markup to 150% markup via an internet coupon. Amazing marketing fail. The man stepped into a market he was ignorant of, and even with high paid marketing analyst, he proved it. My wife, and all the girls she "talks" with, absolutely turned against a retailer they once loved doing business with not only online, but at the brick and mortar locations. They absolutely loved getting spam emails with promotional offers, this is who their base was, and they abandoned them. I say this, and offer it as a direct comparison to the mismanagement of the GOP, as a failed political party. Just give the Conservatives what they want, and they will turn out at the polling booths. Offer another alternative mushy product, and they will go elsewhere.
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Happiness....is a warm gun.
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woody

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So say the Beatles. And I don't think they were singing about a warm firearm. Maybe they should have had a UN committee advise them on responsible gun use. That's what the world needs now, is love, sweet love.
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Dewey

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woody - I have no interest in finding the answers for your Party but I did find it funny that the Speaker, Rep. Ryan, and others are trying to blame Obama for trying to divide their Party.  I don't think they need any help from the outside as they are falling apart on their own.  I just found it funny that Obama would be brought into this.
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I never mentioned Obama in my post, but was talking about the GOP Liberals, try again.
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Dewey

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woody - I wasn't suggesting you were the culprit.  You must not be keeping up with the political shows.  It is being said that Obama is trying to destroy the GOP.   
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No need for Obama to destroy the GOP, they are their own worst enemy, trying to out liberal the Dems. As I type, CNN is doing a softball, get to know her, Hillary Presidential Election promo. And I just thought we were done with campaigning for a couple of years. Pathetic Democrat propaganda Media machine on steroids. Give it a rest already, the Bachelorette Presidential show is now officially on idiot TV. Get that frozen  lasagna in the microwave. What a crock of propaganda.
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I will say it.  Obama is doing everything politically he can to gain total control once again to try and further his own vision of his ascendency and finish his socialist transformation to indefinitely empower dems.  

Since Bush and the repubs took over in congress it has been the goal of the liberal media and the dems to ascend to total power once again.  The media became a nice propaganda machine and has become progressively more the more power the libs get. Why do you think Provda is giving us warnings!  

Yes I do think the republican party has its moderate and conservative aspects but so does the dems.  The difference is the media.  The media continues to tear apart anything even remotely centrist much less conservative.  They continue to cover obama and the dems lies and agenda giving obama and the dems political cover for empowerment with low information electorate and sometimes an obstinent conservative electorate that hurts itself and the country by not voting period vs choosing the lesser of the evils and working towards your goals.  All to the countries detriment and further democratic empowerment.

Conservative ideals are timeless and benefit all sectors of society in a capitalistic society.  They are far better than being entrapped in big govt socialism and it is a matter of conveying that well to the low info electorate and getting your own electorate to understand the politics of engagement better.  The repubs need to learn how to better engage media knowing they are a propaganda machine for the other side. I think the repubs are learning they need to stand together if they are going to accomplish anything.  Whether they learn how to deal with the media and the more conservative electorate is another matter.  The party needs to accomplish alot and relatively quickly to mainly educate their base to stick with them even through some less desirable times, but continue to work to change.  The dem base tends to do that better.  Just look at the misc forum.  The dems rarely say anything neg about their politicians even though I know they think of them.  The repubs are much more independent at stating negatives about their leaders and politicians.  In recent elections there have been alot that dont show up to vote because of that.  Yes I agree I would like a better candidate, but it would have been better than what we have and then work to make it even better.

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"Conservative ideals are timeless and benefit all sectors of society in a capitalistic society"

OMG you really have no clue about what is actually happening in your own party!
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Yes, those Bush ideals really benefited all sectors of society.


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pabar61

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Okay, DietCoke - using your logic, how do you explain the meteoric rise of the 1 percenters under Clinton?  Let's not forget that under Obama, this trend has continued.




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That graph is hilarious! I bet all those quintiles are faring much better under Obama, you know, since he is the president now. Go ahead, extend that same graph through2012 and let's have a look at how much Obama is doing for the poor and middle classes. Double dare you.
#HopeAndChange #FAIL
keepinitreal

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woody - I wasn't suggesting you were the culprit.  You must not be keeping up with the political shows.  It is being said that Obama is trying to destroy the GOP.   


I heard it said that the Republicans were trying to destroy the obama legacy, mission accomplished But it would not have been possible without the potus shooting himself in the foot #worstinhistory

P.s. happy democrats dont seem as happy. I think harry reid needs his blankie. Good grief

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It's the system !!!!     FUBAR !!!!!!   We have lost our way as a democarcy, and now as a representative republic, and have embraced only capitalism and the values thereof as our form of government.  Check out the distribution of wealth in our nation since 1980.  We are on our way to becoming Dubai.        Frank
PS - real - How can anyone below the 5% be happy about the performance of government in the last 25 years or so??  

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I dont care about the distribution of wealth. Dewey doesn't either, that is why he authored the thread. Dewey says we will not become Greece, I say we will not become Dubai. Stalemate in government, are the dems still so damn happy?
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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
Dewey

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Today, there are some more very happy people: 


Seven Long Years Without Health Insurance

"I haven't been able to get health insurance since 2006, due to a pre-existing condition. Last year, I had a horrible ear infection last year and it took me 16 months to pay off the ER bill: $1,100 just for a prednisone shot and an antibiotic prescription. These new insurance options can't get here soon enough."

–Alison O.

Having Health Insurance Means When it’s Time to Go to the E.R., Go.

"I am self-employed, and it has been rough going, health-wise. I nearly died from a pulmonary embolism. Why? I put off going to the emergency room for fear of the cost. Yes, the $25,000 bill was scary, but death is scarier. Getting affordable health insurance will give me a new lease on life."

Christine F.

Better Quality of Life

"Preventive care means that I will be able to see a doctor for health screenings and take care of any health issues before they become serious. And if I'm sick or need to be hospitalized, I'm covered. Having affordable, quality health insurance means that I will have quality to my life and live healthier and longer."

–Veronica K.

Cancer Survivors Get Covered

"I am a breast cancer SURVIVOR and now I will be able to get "complete" health insurance coverage without exclusion for pre-existing conditions!"

–Faith P.

The Freedom to Choose

"Get covered means that I can quit a job I hate but offers health insurance, to take a job that I love with a nonprofit company and be able to purchase affordable insurance for myself."

–Beth

Open Enrollment Comes Just in Time

"I am now self-employed, and am about to run out of very expensive COBRA coverage at the end of December 2013. What perfect timing this is! Trying to find individual coverage in the past has been a nightmare. So I'm looking forward to having a different shopping experience now that the Health Insurance Marketplace is here."

–Shirley L.

keepinitreal

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Yeah right, they haven't got the bill yet. Sounds like testimonies from the obamacare website. With all the good news why are the libtards crying over a government shutdown? Can anyone tell me how the government shutdown will affect this country adversely? With all the whining and crying from the left you would think the sky is falling
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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Yeah right, they haven't got the bill yet. Sounds like testimonies from the obamacare website. With all the good news why are the libtards crying over a government shutdown? Can anyone tell me how the government shutdown will affect this country adversely? With all the whining and crying from the left you would think the sky is falling


If they're happy, who are you to criticize them?  I checked out prices and can get better coverage than I now have with my private insurance for at least $200/month less.

No one said the sky is falling, but how can a government shutdown be a good thing?  I'll bet you think defaulting on our debt later this month will be a big plus, too.

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keepinitreal

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Who are you to criticize me for criticizing them? Hypocrite. DC, didn't you ever learn to not answer a question with a question?

Go find some links somewhere to tell us how the government shutdown will harm anyone? What!!! The national zoo is shutdown!!! What they closed down the WW II memorial!!! What!! The president is playing golf again!!! All is well in the good old USA

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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
DietCoke

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I've already said that the sky is not falling.  Yet.  A shutdown for a few days or even weeks won't be catastrophic.  But it can hurt the fragile economy and its comeback.  But do we not care how the US looks to the rest of the world?  Doesn't this say the US government is broken?  And things will get even worse if Congress cannot agree on the debt ceiling.  Remember August 2011?  It took years to recover the losses experienced by many in their investments and retirement accounts.  And the US is paying up to $100 billion more annually due to the credit downgrade.  How can you say this situation isn't harming anyone???


Economists agree: Government shutdown will hurt economic growth

How government shutdown would hurt Main Street

A government shutdown could hurt economy more now than it did in 1995

How a government shutdown would hurt banks

Russia worried about US government shutdown

 


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keepinitreal

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Not worried at all what the world thinks of US. We elected obama twice, we are fools to the world..got links?
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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Not worried at all what the world thinks of US. We elected obama twice, we are fools to the world..got links?


Typical empty, insulting response.......  But you left out the part about him playing golf....

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keepinitreal

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That's not empty at all, based on facts as I know them.  I don't need links to know that.  Again, you asked a question, "But do we not care how the US looks to the rest of the world?", I answered. 

Insulting in your opinion, directly related to the question in my opinion

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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

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DC - if my recollection is accurate, experts agreed that the sequester would be disastrous for the country.  I don't think it happened that way.
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Goldman:  The economic damage from the sequester is becoming more clear, and it could get worse.

IMF:  Sequester hurting US economy, delaying recovery.

Insight:  Largely out of sight, U.S. budget sequester still cuts deep.

Please stop saying the sequester is good for growth.


"Other than on the set of Fox News (FOX), it’s hard to find an economist who believes the sequester is boosting GDP growth. “To say the sequester is good for the economy is wrong on a scale that’s impressive,” says Neil Dutta, chief U.S. economist at Renaissance Macro Research. “I don’t know how you can make that claim,” says Stuart Hoffman, chief economist at PNC Financial Services Group, who estimates that the sequester has stolen about 30,000 jobs from each month’s payrolls total since it was enacted in March.
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Ah the sequester, another brilliant idea from the mind of Obama, who assured Americans it would never happen. And then it did.

And even then, he turned down an offer to directly manage the cuts to minimize the damage, but didn't want to bothered. So now he owns it, lock, stock, and one stinking economy.
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Happiness is Democrats blocking treatment for kids with cancer.

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The House is working on a bill to fund NIH cancer trials for children. A reporter asked Harry Reid if the Senate would pass the bill if it would save just one child.

Reid's full response below, but this: "why would we want to do that?" And then bemoans the fact that 1100 of his constituents at an Air Force vase are furloughed. Seriously.

That's the party of compassion folks.

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I'm embarrassed for the people of Nevada.  Harry Reid wasn't born - he crawled out from under a rock.  I'm only a little more embarrassed to have Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Boxer be from California.
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Foolish argument indeed.  For a Party that continuously calls voters uninformed, the GOP certainly goes a long way to try and deceive as many voters as they can.

One should never be asked to trade off the lives of children in one set of circumstances for the lives of children in another.  It's shameful to put such an argument forward.  I'm shocked ForeverInBlue bit at this approach as being constructive or meaningful.  The piece meal approach the House is working on is a ridiculous one and is intended to slowly fund everything but Obamcare.  If they were allowed to continue in this manner, they would help save some of our children by funding the NIH only to lose the lives of many other children by elmininating Obamacare and denying them access to preventive health care.  Who comes up with such disgusting and misleading trickery in order to win a political fight?  It's a totally unfair characterization and a completely false choice.  Hopefully, all Americans understand we cannot support one set of children at the cost of another and will push their Representatives to fund the Government and let Obamacare be fully implemented.  All children deserve our attention and compassion.

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