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Fresh

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That pardon would get him impeached. Fast track to oblivion. Graham has already asked trump not to pardon Flynn, lest he face impeachment. trump's election to president is going to be the worst day of his life.
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That pardon would get him impeached. Fast track to oblivion. Graham has already asked trump not to pardon Flynn, lest he face impeachment. trump's election to president is going to be the worst day of his life.


I can't imagine, even in the minds of haters, how issuing a pardon is impeachable.  It is a unique power reserved to the POTUS in the Constitution.

Anyone who would attempt impeachment against the POTUS for executing a Constitutionally defined power would risk bringing our whole gov't down.


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Obstruction of justice is definitely what impeachment was intended for. If it's not "high crimes and misdemeanors" to pardon a treasonous government official, what would be? For whatever reason, trump is in the Russians pocket and all this is his doing. I think it might be from the days when he couldn't get financing anywhere else. Funny how all the roads of this investigation lead to Russia. 
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Obstruction of justice is definitely what impeachment was intended for. If it's not "high crimes and misdemeanors" to pardon a treasonous government official, what would be? For whatever reason, trump is in the Russians pocket and all this is his doing. I think it might be from the days when he couldn't get financing anywhere else. Funny how all the roads of this investigation lead to Russia. 


Pardon is defined in the Constitution, and it was not given limits.  An odd quirk maybe, but that's how it is.

If someone wants trump impeached, there has to be something other than a Constitutionally granted power to do it on. 

Heck, Obama pardoned a crap load of drug dealers.  I hated it, but he's allowed to do it.
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The real question is what does Flynn have on Trump.  I know everyone thinks Trump is an idiot but he was smart enough to become elected POTUS.  That actually requires listening to people and I believe he does that even if he doesn't want anyone to believe that.

Smart people have to have guided Trump away from anything illegal or impeachable.

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So Fresh, since I am new here. Were you this passionate when Obama obstructed justice with Lynch driving the bus ? 
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If Flynn is pardoned and keeps cooperating with Mueller, then probably no impeachment.  If Flynn is pardoned and stops cooperating with Mueller, possible impeachment for obstruction.  Even with the latter, impeachment seems unlikely.  Need many Republicans on board before pursuing impeachment.
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If Flynn is pardoned and keeps cooperating with Mueller, then probably no impeachment.  If Flynn is pardoned and stops cooperating with Mueller, possible impeachment for obstruction.  Even with the latter, impeachment seems unlikely.  Need many Republicans on board before pursuing impeachment.


As Mike said, pardons are constitutional so no legal basis for impeachment either way.  But keep hoping.

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Drumpf is done. Again.

But seriously, from what I read, Flynn was told by trump to reach out to 13 countries, including russia, and assure them that anything wack that obama was gonna do on the way out should be nothing for them to overreact to. Seems like a smart play to me. Is that 'reaching out' prohibited?


From Fox news:  

"Fox News has been told by a former senior intelligence officer with knowledge of Trump transition activities that then-President-Elect Trump directed Flynn during that period to contact the Russians -- while also directing him and his team to contact 12 other countries.

 

The transition team felt that the Obama White House had completely abandoned any coherent foreign policy and had to fill the vacuum.”


I'm serious when I ask, is that wrong?



I'm still waiting. Was this illegal, to tell flynn and whomever else to reach out to 13 countries and tell those countries to relax even if obama does something nutty before he leaves office? Yes i know flynn lied. That isn't my question. I can understand why dewfresh can't just tell me yes or no.  Was it illegal?

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I'm still waiting. Was this illegal, to tell flynn and whomever else to reach out to 13 countries and tell those countries to relax even if obama does something nutty before he leaves office? Yes i know flynn lied. That isn't my question. I can understand why dewfresh can't just tell me yes or no.  Was it illegal?


Yes.

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So Fresh, since I am new here. Were you this passionate when Obama obstructed justice with Lynch driving the bus ? 


Not sure what you are  referring to, but only been here about 2 months. New territory.

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I'm still waiting. Was this illegal, to tell flynn and whomever else to reach out to 13 countries and tell those countries to relax even if obama does something nutty before he leaves office? Yes i know flynn lied. That isn't my question. I can understand why dewfresh can't just tell me yes or no.  Was it illegal?


Of course not

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As Mike said, pardons are constitutional so no legal basis for impeachment either way.  But keep hoping.


You are a little off base here. Any act congress deems impeachable, is impeachable. Purely at the discretion of congress and, to some extent, the vice president. Obstruction of justice would fill the bill.

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You are a little off base here. Any act congress deems impeachable, is impeachable. Purely at the discretion of congress and, to some extent, the vice president. Obstruction of justice would fill the bill.


I'll clarify.  They can seek impeachment whenever they want.  They'll fail but they can seek.

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Pardon is defined in the Constitution, and it was not given limits.  An odd quirk maybe, but that's how it is.

If someone wants trump impeached, there has to be something other than a Constitutionally granted power to do it on. 

Heck, Obama pardoned a crap load of drug dealers.  I hated it, but he's allowed to do it.


Fresh and the left seem uneducated on what is actually an impeachable offense. Heck, there is even some guy with way too much money running commercials to impeach because he doesn’t like the tax plan.

As usual, mike is dead on - might have disliked obama but never wanted him impeached.

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If Trump pardons Flynn to shut him up, and both Parties in Congress support impeachment for obstruction, Congress will include the firing of Comey and other collected evidence of interfering with the investigation to make their case, not to mention a likely charge of collusion as part of the impeachment reasons, to complete their conviction.  Does anyone truly think the SC would get involved in this process, let alone overrule it?
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I'm still waiting. Was this illegal, to tell flynn and whomever else to reach out to 13 countries and tell those countries to relax even if obama does something nutty before he leaves office? Yes i know flynn lied. That isn't my question. I can understand why dewfresh can't just tell me yes or no.  Was it illegal?


No.

If anyone on the left wants to insist otherwise they should cite the applicable code and what specific actions violated that code.

I’m sure the leftist legal eagles on Robocoach have this info at their finger tips. [rofl]
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Congress?=Pelosi, Al Green, Frederica Wilson=no worries
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No.

If anyone on the left wants to insist otherwise they should cite the applicable code and what specific actions violated that code.

I’m sure the leftist legal eagles on Robocoach have this info at their finger tips. [rofl]


No schitt, funny watching bamaturdkpifreshyturddewillyduaine tie themselves in pretzels. The suspense is delightful, watching them speculate their life away, knee slapper

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It would be illegal if he was found guilty under the Logan Act.
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Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

A 2017 opinion poll ranks Reagan and Obama #1 and #2 best Presidents since WWII.


 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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Earlier today ABC News went live with report that sent DC and liberal hysteria-mongers into a tizzy - that Flynn would testify he was directed by Trump to contact Russia during the campaign.

FAKE NEWS!

ABC has already issued a major correction:

“Clarification: During a live Special Report, ABC News reported that a confidant of Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn said Flynn was prepared to testify that then-candidate Donald Trump instructed him to contact Russian officials during the campaign. That source later clarified that during the campaign, Trump assigned Flynn and a small circle of other senior advisers to find ways to repair relations with Russia and other hot spots. It was shortly after the election, that President-elect Trump directed Flynn to contact Russian officials on topics that included working jointly against ISIS.”

Good luck impeaching Trump for that! [crazy]

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Nobody's getting impeached unless Republicans favor impeachment. At least not as long as they hold majorities.
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The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

A 2017 opinion poll ranks Reagan and Obama #1 and #2 best Presidents since WWII.


 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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No. If anyone on the left wants to insist otherwise they should cite the applicable code and what specific actions violated that code. I’m sure the leftist legal eagles on Robocoach have this info at their finger tips. [rofl]



hmmmmm. Fresh said point-blank that my description of what happened was illegal. One of you is a wrong and therefore is a lying moron. Which of you is it? Fresh, cite that code for me.

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Don't get too comfortable with the beginning of the trump team blood letting. Flynn is just the tip of the ice berg and the big fish are to follow. Remember when the trump bunch were brought in for Q & A with Mueller? Wellllll, all that will be catalogued and they will be brought back again. This time in front of the grand jury, under oath. Once that process starts, the big rats will rat and heads will roll. 
Obstruction of justtice and consorting with Russians is definitely impeachable. Whether the republicans have the balls to do the right thing is another matter. 

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'consorting' hahahahaha. Hey douche, where's that code citation?
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Yes.


Wrong - if he's president-elect, this is perfectly normal.

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Not sure what you are  referring to, but only been here about 2 months. New territory.


Do you think Loretta Lynch was in any way corrupt?

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Don't get too comfortable with the beginning of the trump team blood letting. Flynn is just the tip of the ice berg and the big fish are to follow. Remember when the trump bunch were brought in for Q & A with Mueller? Wellllll, all that will be catalogued and they will be brought back again. This time in front of the grand jury, under oath. Once that process starts, the big rats will rat and heads will roll. 
Obstruction of justtice and consorting with Russians is definitely impeachable. Whether the republicans have the balls to do the right thing is another matter. 


Somebody remember this post.  I can't wait to throw it back in this girl's face when she's wrong.

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Do you think Loretta Lynch was in any way corrupt?


No

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