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outofzone

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And her spin rates are better than 99% of every college pitcher in the country. 

Somebody please post video on this kid and the black market equipment her coaches use to test her. 
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Barnhill, Fouts, Faraimo, and many others have been different (special) as 7th/8th graders. This girl seems to have the same kind look and feel. Guess time will tell.

I believe her Mom is a Tincher Pitching instructor and I am guessing that is where the speed/spin numbers are coming from. We all know parents would not fib a little on numbers! [wink]
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And her spin rates are better than 99% of every college pitcher in the country. 

Somebody please post video on this kid and the black market equipment her coaches use to test her. 


No kidding, I am sure she is very special. Honestly, if a 2023 is committing to Florida at this point there is no doubt she is special. Not out of the realm of possibility for a 7th grader to be throwing mid-60s velocity. Probably sits in the 63-64 range and touches 65-66, which is solid even for a 22 year old Division 1 senior pitcher. Throwing a 38-39 rev fire screw ball is against the laws of biomechanics. It would surely be the hardest arm side breaking pitch in the history of our sport. Honestly, FloSoftball is not smart enough to know this is impossible and not repeat that kind of nonsense.

On top of that, is the kid verbally committing to Florida in the 7th grade not enough to prove she is good, does whoever passed those numbers along as truth have to add these fishing tales to make her seem even better?
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Walton trying to get as many commits as possible before the recruiting rules change in April.
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Barnhill, Fouts, Faraimo, and many others have been different (special) as 7th/8th graders. This girl seems to have the same kind look and feel. Guess time will tell. I believe her Mom is a Tincher Pitching instructor and I am guessing that is where the speed/spin numbers are coming from. We all know parents would not fib a little on numbers! [wink]


I've never seen her but she would be in good company with the three you mentioned.

The levity in your last line is appreciated. Good post
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No kidding, I am sure she is very special. Honestly, if a 2023 is committing to Florida at this point there is no doubt she is special. Not out of the realm of possibility for a 7th grader to be throwing mid-60s velocity. Probably sits in the 63-64 range and touches 65-66, which is solid even for a 22 year old Division 1 senior pitcher. Throwing a 38-39 rev fire screw ball is against the laws of biomechanics. It would surely be the hardest arm side breaking pitch in the history of our sport. Honestly, FloSoftball is not smart enough to know this is impossible and not repeat that kind of nonsense.

On top of that, is the kid verbally committing to Florida in the 7th grade not enough to prove she is good, does whoever passed those numbers along as truth have to add these fishing tales to make her seem even better?


Flo gets the "stats" from parents & coaches and, as sballwatcher noted, parents are known to fib a little.

Her spin rates would put her up there with Chelsea Wilkenson, who was routinely in the 40's. Rick Pauly could better address the biomechanics of spin rates but, I am inclined to believe you southpaw...
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Walton trying to get as many commits as possible before the recruiting rules change in April.


No doubt he is stockpiling very young kids with soft brained parents.

What rules are changing in April? Hadn't heard about that. Thanks in advance
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No doubt he is stockpiling very young kids with soft brained parents.

What rules are changing in April? Hadn't heard about that. Thanks in advance


D1 coaches voted at the convention to implement the lacrosse model of recruiting--no recruiting discussions with ANYONE prior to Sept 1 of junior year.  Still has to be approved by administrators at the April vote.  It was overwhelmingly supported by SEC head coaches.  If a young kid is committed and this model is implemented, the coaching staff will have to wait until junior year to continue the recruiting discussion.
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If that recruiting rules change WAS overwhelmingly supported by SEC coaches, that is a particularly bad look
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If that recruiting rules change WAS overwhelmingly supported by SEC coaches, that is a particularly bad look


Did not think about that but you are correct. Vote for the new rules, then run out and verbal a kid before rule takes effect. Probably proof not much will change other than how public it is.

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Did not think about that but you are correct. Vote for the new rules, then run out and verbal a kid before rule takes effect. Probably proof not much will change other than how public it is.


First of all, the NCAA is looking to pass sweeping legislation in all sports to try and slow down the recruiting cycle. Softball at their convention I am told was interested in an even more restrictive model that Lacrosse already has that precludes any recruiting activity (other than evaluations) from happening before Junior Year. It has a long way to go before it becomes a reality.

Due to that, why would you blame Coach Walton for continuing to recruit. Additionally, I would suggest that Coach Walton was well into recruiting conversations with this particular student-athlete before the NFCA Convention. My guess is this player would not have remained uncommitted until April, so I am still not sure how you would blame Coach Walton or any of the SEC coaches. It would seem to be great for the coaches in our sports best conference to be on board with this.
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First of all, the NCAA is looking to pass sweeping legislation in all sports to try and slow down the recruiting cycle. Softball at their convention I am told was interested in an even more restrictive model that Lacrosse already has that precludes any recruiting activity (other than evaluations) from happening before Junior Year. It has a long way to go before it becomes a reality.

Due to that, why would you blame Coach Walton for continuing to recruit. Additionally, I would suggest that Coach Walton was well into recruiting conversations with this particular student-athlete before the NFCA Convention. My guess is this player would not have remained uncommitted until April, so I am still not sure how you would blame Coach Walton or any of the SEC coaches. It would seem to be great for the coaches in our sports best conference to be on board with this.
She's 12 F***ING years old

If you are assuring me that -- NO MATTER WHAT happens in the next five years -- she is assured that scholarship, then all is copacetic. Because, the child is not going to shop herself off of that scholarship. When you are 12, making a promise is sort of a big deal.

But, short of that assurance, she is 12.
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First of all, the NCAA is looking to pass sweeping legislation in all sports to try and slow down the recruiting cycle. Softball at their convention I am told was interested in an even more restrictive model that Lacrosse already has that precludes any recruiting activity (other than evaluations) from happening before Junior Year. It has a long way to go before it becomes a reality.

Due to that, why would you blame Coach Walton for continuing to recruit. Additionally, I would suggest that Coach Walton was well into recruiting conversations with this particular student-athlete before the NFCA Convention. My guess is this player would not have remained uncommitted until April, so I am still not sure how you would blame Coach Walton or any of the SEC coaches. It would seem to be great for the coaches in our sports best conference to be on board with this.


I get what you're saying and any legislation will be welcomed no doubt. One of the biggest accomplishments it MAY bring is reigning in Parents of 12 yr olds. This kid may have fine parents who feel they are doing the right thing but, they are letting themselves be taken advantage of. When Walton waives the Athletic Scholarship carrot in their face I'm sure all mature decision making went out the window. There are 2 side to the blame game in play here..Walton vs Parents. I have always maintained the coaches are doing their JOB, whereas the Parents should be expected to be the voice of responsible reason for their children. Parents control everything. In this case, if the kid is "special" at 12, her money will always be available. 

3left has a great point. Make Walton/Fla guarantee the deal now.

So how many more 7th graders will rush to get committed before April? And worse, what program will be the BOOB to commit the first 6th grader to get in under the 'wire'.  And how long before the PGF starts an 8U National Championship? 
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Returning to my usual soapbox, I wish these parents would use their kid's softball prowess to get her into Harvard or Penn instead of a state school. At least she took a stroll through Notre Dame on one of those five 'unofficials'. 
Yes I am familiar with the restraints that the Ivy's have in regards to verbal timelines. If a kid like this works hard in class and gets decent grades, and tells the Ivy coaches that she is coming, they will arrange for her to get in when the time comes.
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I don't blame the 12 year old, she has no perspective and thinks that the current attention she is getting is awesome. She has no idea what life will look like when she is 25 and softball is behind her. Her parents should know better.


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Returning to my usual soapbox, I wish these parents would use their kid's softball prowess to get her into Harvard or Penn instead of a state school. At least she took a stroll through Notre Dame on one of those five 'unofficials'. 
Yes I am familiar with the restraints that the Ivy's have in regards to verbal timelines. If a kid like this works hard in class and gets decent grades, and tells the Ivy coaches that she is coming, they will arrange for her to get in when the time comes.
A life changing institution.
I don't blame the 12 year old, she has no perspective and thinks that the current attention she is getting is awesome. She has no idea what life will look like when she is 25 and softball is behind her. Her parents should know better.



I think virtually everyone would agree this is a ridiculously early verbal.  But to return to MY familiar soap box...who are you, or anyone else to assume that Ivy League schools (or Stanford, et al) are better options for this kid or any other?  One size does not fit all.  State schools fit some dreams and aspirations just fine.  And I'm not sure I buy into your assumption that Ivy coaches will arrange to get someone in if they know she is coming.

Without knowing the family's situation, it seems hard to pass judgment on the parents to me.  I'm mostly disillusioned with the recruiting system as a whole devolving to a level where this sort of thing can even happen.     
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Nothing wrong with state schools. That's the elitist outlook. Costs more has to be better.
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If a kid like this works hard in class and gets decent grades, and tells the Ivy coaches that she is coming, they will arrange for her to get in when the time comes.


Assuming their academic index is sufficient, sure. Decent grades aren't going to do it. If the best pitcher in the country wants to go to an Ivy or a little Ivy and doesn't have very good test scores and grades, it's not going to happen.

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Assuming their academic index is sufficient, sure. Decent grades aren't going to do it. If the best pitcher in the country wants to go to an Ivy or a little Ivy and doesn't have very good test scores and grades, it's not going to happen.
Though, a 1200 SAT can get an athlete into an Ivy, whereas a non-athlete needs at least a 1450
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Nothing wrong with state schools. That's the elitist outlook. Costs more has to be better.

No, just reality.
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Though, a 1200 SAT can get an athlete into an Ivy, whereas a non-athlete needs at least a 1450

Can you please point out which "Ivy" schools are accepting 1200 SAT's.  I know Stanford is a minimum 1800 SAT, Notre Dame is the same.  Issue with earlier commits (7th & 8th graders), they have zero clue as to what their HS grades or SAT / ACT scores will be.  No guarantee they'll even be able to get into their committed school. 
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SAT back to 2 categories now

But yes, an 1800 would not get you within a zip code of an ivy without a ball in hand
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Getting in is one thing, staying academically competitive (or just qualified) and maintaining sanity whilst juggling the workload of a typical student athlete, is something completely different.
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Had a kid go the West Point. Hardest schedule ever. Wanted to be a doctor, specializing in prosthesis. Freshman year, Fall quarter, 20 hrs in premed, softball games and practice and............big and............she was a soldier. Pulled guard duty and the whole soldier regimen. Missed top 10% of medical class and they made her change her major from prosthetics. Brutal.
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Can you please point out which "Ivy" schools are accepting 1200 SAT's.  I know Stanford is a minimum 1800 SAT, Notre Dame is the same.  Issue with earlier commits (7th & 8th graders), they have zero clue as to what their HS grades or SAT / ACT scores will be.  No guarantee they'll even be able to get into their committed school. 


Stanford doesn’t post a minimum requirement for gpa nor test scores. One can only assume what their requirement might be based off of each accepted class avg gpa & avg test scores.
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Getting in is one thing, staying academically competitive (or just qualified) and maintaining sanity whilst juggling the workload of a typical student athlete, is something completely different.
ivy league obvs not the same athletic lift as a duke, stanford, ucla, michigan... but yes, if you are getting in on 600 math and 600 verbal, it could be rough ... even without the pie in the sky athletic component
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Can you please point out which "Ivy" schools are accepting 1200 SAT's.  I know Stanford is a minimum 1800 SAT, Notre Dame is the same.  Issue with earlier commits (7th & 8th graders), they have zero clue as to what their HS grades or SAT / ACT scores will be.  No guarantee they'll even be able to get into their committed school. 


With the current recruiting rules there is no downside to a college coach verballing a 7th or 8th grader with no test scores.  If the player does not qualify academically the coach can rescind the offer.  The only potential issue would be if a coach over commits the available number of scholarships expecting some players will not qualify.  At that point the coach either cuts a player who did not develop as expected or lowers the scholarship percentages to make the numbers work.
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Stanford doesn’t post a minimum requirement for gpa nor test scores. One can only assume what their requirement might be based off of each accepted class avg gpa & avg test scores.


Correct, Stanford doesn’t post minimum. But in a recruiting conversation with one of their coaches a few years ago, their offer to a player was contingent upon minimum SAT 1800 / ACT 27. Many Ivy’s have a 1% rule of which no more than 1% of roster will be admitted with scores lower than stated above and typically, that would apply towards Football (revenue sport).
And you’re also correct on nothing lost for schools on verbal to 7th or 8th graders with any HS grades or test scores. However, if said 7th or 8th grader doesn’t meet the academic requirements to attend the school, they’ve lost. Makes zero sense as a parent to set child up for possible failure. Would rather see parents hold kids back, focus on academics so they can get into the school the ultimately commit to. JMO
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I guess Brentt Eads is no longer there... looks like he is with ExtraInning Softball

Always treated my DD and our family very well and got FLO to where it is today... a few warts, but mostly good clicks

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Ye, he was also a positive influence during our travel ball & recruiting days. Treated our family great as well. 
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LOL... I had Facebook 'Liked' his new venture for about 5 hours....

And, then I went to the page and saw the 11-year-old commitment slathered all over it.

Unlike.

Hard to describe where I draw the line....

I guess it is like Potter Stewart said about pornography:

"I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography/too-early recruiting"], and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it

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