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Midwest

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A 6th grader is going to Florida.

So now Walton has verbals from 3 jr high players.

If they pass the new rules in April he won't have to work on recruiting for years.

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It's super distasteful.
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My oldest daughter just found out she’s pregnant, and (if her gender reveal is a girl) will be a very talented 2036 grad. She projects to be athletic and versatile, like her auntie who currently plays D1 at a P5 school, but better since she is already a student of the game in utero! She already has her top 5 schools picked out, and she plans to make her decision before the end of the first trimester, just in time before the April vote!😬😝😂
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What's her pop time, NatRx?

LOL
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What's her pop time, NatRx?

LOL


Hate to brag, but she’s so good already, she can pitch (63/64), catch (pop time 1.8/1.9), and take the throw down as the SS to make the tag at 2B, all in the same play!

We already have her in speed/agility, so those numbers will certainly improve by the time Flo does their 2036 rankings
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Hate to brag, but she’s so good already, she can pitch (63/64), catch (pop time 1.8/1.9), and take the throw down as the SS to make the tag at 2B, all in the same play! We already have her in speed/agility, so those numbers will certainly improve by the time Flo does their 2036 rankings


[rofl]
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Wrapping my head around this - 6th grade, 11 years old, etc.  Means she's also 2nd year 10U eligible.  My dd, who is a freshman pitcher at a mid-major D1 this year, didn't start pitching until 2nd year 10U!  Crazy.
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This might put it in perspective.

A Sophmore in HS ( this was once considered an early commit) committed to UF will never play with this child. They will graduate HS in 2.5 years, then graduate college after 4 more and the current 6th grader will still not have arrived on campus. 😮
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Don't let 'Fresh' see her. She'll automatically be labeled the "real deal"
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Don't let 'Fresh' see her. She'll automatically be labeled the "real deal"

I think the term is "legit".
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Every parent in the USA who has a daughter in middle school is loosing their mind because their daughter doesn't have any offers. This psychotic behavior by Fla and other power schools is rotting the game. Instead of playing, practicing and focusing on getting better these young CHILDREN spend hours emailing coaches and are totally focused on recruiting. Obviously Tim and the other coaches who are doing this dont care about anything but themselves. Where is the leadership in our game going to come from?   
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I asked this earlier... what "other coaches" are "doing this"? Who else has a '24 and 2 '23s?
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https://btpsoftball.com/coaches-corner/coaches-respond-to-early-recuiting/
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I asked this earlier... what "other coaches" are "doing this"? Who else has a '24 and 2 '23s?


I could be wrong but the only school I know of that has 6th or 7th graders is Florida. I believe they have one 6th grader and two 7th graders. I know there many 8th graders committed currently.
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I agree 11 years old is way too young to commit, but I wonder why any parent would deem a kid capable of making such decision.

It’s not all on the coaches. In fact, I think we as parents bear the entire responsibility of overseeing and directing the recruitment process. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard parents say their kids called (insert head coach’s name here), and feel so awkward about the conversation their kid had, which only left them with more questions. To which my question is always the same, why didn’t you call.? And, the answer is always the same- our travel coach said they don’t want to talk to the parents.

My personal view on the matter, speaking from experience as a parent whose kids were recruited in Jr. High and committed early in HS, is that if a coach didn’t want to talk to me, my kid wasn’t going to talk to that coach. Every single first contact we made by phone with a university began with a phone call placed by me. And that includes Walton and the like.

Coaches wouldn’t commit young players if parents said, not yet. Been in travel ball in since 2004 and I believe only parents and the NCAA can stop this veritable run away train.

Just my two cents.
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I agree 11 years old is way too young to commit, but I wonder why any parent would deem a kid capable of making such decision.

It’s not all on the coaches. In fact, I think we as parents bear the entire responsibility of overseeing and directing the recruitment process. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard parents say their kids called (insert head coach’s name here), and feel so awkward about the conversation their kid had, which only left them with more questions. To which my question is always the same, why didn’t you call.? And, the answer is always the same- our travel coach said they don’t want to talk to the parents.

My personal view on the matter, speaking from experience as a parent whose kids were recruited in Jr. High and committed early in HS, is that if a coach didn’t want to talk to me, my kid wasn’t going to talk to that coach. Every single first contact we made by phone with a university began with a phone call placed by me. And that includes Walton and the like.

Coaches wouldn’t commit young players if parents said, not yet. Been in travel ball in since 2004 and I believe only parents and the NCAA can stop this veritable run away train.

Just my two cents.
parents, as much as they may be using their kids for self-aggrandizement, are going through this for the first time. They can get the sense that, while an oral is no binding contract, that the coaches will still look after DD because she made such an early vow. I put this all on coaches
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Student-Athlete. Or Athlete-Student.

Did this 6th-grader say what she plans study? Do her and her folks know that program is offered at Florida?

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Perhaps UF insisted she take x number of visits to other universities once she gets to high school
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Perhaps UF insisted she take x number of visits to other universities once she gets to high school


3LT,

Apparently I don't understand the whole process. I'm missing something from your comment - why would a kid verbal and why would a college coach facilitate the verbal if universities make such requests? I feel ignorant here, please fill me in. I'm not trying to argue...

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You are NOT ignorant.

I am just trying to spitball something that would sound a lot more palatable to me.

And, my daughter committing at 11...I would deeply appreciate the coach still encourage us making a few visits elsewhere post-puberty.

But, that is probably fantasyland thinking

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parents, as much as they may be using their kids for self-aggrandizement, are going through this for the first time. They can get the sense that, while an oral is no binding contract, that the coaches will still look after DD because she made such an early vow. I put this all on coaches


This topic keeps coming up every year.  For years I have suggested the same solution:

Let the coaches/universities sign any kid at any age with the following conditions:

1. All offers are binding on the university for four years without any modifications which would reduce the scholarship benefits.

2.  Once money is committed, it is committed for four years and if the player goes elsewhere or leaves the program early, except for disabling injury, that money is not ever available for any other players during the four years in question.

3.  The signed agreement is also binding upon the player. They cannot initially go to any other school and be eligible.  They cannot transfer to any other school and be eligible.

Sounds harsh, I know, but once coaches get burned enough times, they will no longer commit anything any earlier than absolutely necessary.  Once enough parents get their daughters burned and word gets out, future parents should quit burning their daughters.  If their brains do not override their egos, they will have nobody else to blame.

Travel Ball coaches should also eventually be put in their proper place by such a system.

In short, you can make your bed any time you wish; if a made bed must be slept in, far fewer beds will be made at such early times in a child's life. That is, after all, the goal, is it not?

The adage: "no pain, no gain"  comes to mind.



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No, olddawg... that is about right

But, I have a feeling that, despite the gesticulations, the NCAA -- in all sports -- is going to be less regulatory about this stuff than more

8th-graders are committing in P5 football
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No, olddawg... that is about right

But, I have a feeling that, despite the gesticulations, the NCAA -- in all sports -- is going to be less regulatory about this stuff than more

8th-graders are committing in P5 football


If you think about it, my plan is much less regulation.  It would eliminate page after page of regulation regarding recruitment. 

It is fantasy land, however.   The NCAA does not have anywhere near the chops to attempt what would be viewed as such draconian measures.
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Don't let 'Fresh' see her. She'll automatically be labeled the "real deal"


You looking for something to b1tch about? If you read my original comment, I said the kid is legit. She's a part of our program in Georgia and I've seen her work out. If you continued on, you saw that I said,

If there's a sure thing, she's it. Never validated it, never passed judgement either way. I have the utmost respect for Coach Walton and will allow him to figure out if he did the right thing. If I had to bet........My money's on Tim.

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I could be wrong but the only school I know of that has 6th or 7th graders is Florida. I believe they have one 6th grader and two 7th graders. I know there many 8th graders committed currently.


Mizzou has 1 for sure and maybe 2 2023 verbals
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As active as gator fans are on here, its crickets from them today.
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You looking for something to b1tch about? If you read my original comment, I said the kid is legit. She's a part of our program in Georgia and I've seen her work out. If you continued on, you saw that I said,

If there's a sure thing, she's it. Never validated it, never passed judgement either way. I have the utmost respect for Coach Walton and will allow him to figure out if he did the right thing. If I had to bet........My money's on Tim.

How many juice breaks does she normally take when she works out?  Does the workout include mandatory nap times?

Yes, you did validate her commitment as an 11 year old by saying that she was "legit".  No other way to spin it than that.  You further tried to validate it by saying the Flo has written an article about it.  let me let you in on something.  Flo writes hundreds of articles every year on hundreds of girls.  They love to write stories like this because they know that it will generate traffic on their site.  They want controversy.  It's good for sales.  Don't believe that they wrote about her because she was "legit".  I wish I could have respect for Walton like you do but his manipulation of these young girls and their families is despicable to me.

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How many juice breaks does she normally take when she works out?  Does the workout include mandatory nap times?

Yes, you did validate her commitment as an 11 year old by saying that she was "legit".  No other way to spin it than that.  You further tried to validate it by saying the Flo has written an article about it.  let me let you in on something.  Flo writes hundreds of articles every year on hundreds of girls.  They love to write stories like this because they know that it will generate traffic on their site.  They want controversy.  It's good for sales.  Don't believe that they wrote about her because she was "legit".  I wish I could have respect for Walton like you do but his manipulation of these young girls and their families is despicable to me.


Legit means she can be assured of playing at the college level? OK. Could I have meant legit player, period? I also said that if a kid was a sure thing, she was it. The Flo comment wasn't to convince anybody, thought someone might be interested in the kid's story. You can believe what you like. 

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I just read a little on these young girls, and besides smh, I'm laughing out loud. What with their amazing this amazing that, their truly blesseds and thanks to God, and their lifelong dreams, (cough cough),  I realize how ridiculous this whole thing is. There are just too many what ifs and question marks to take this seriously. I'll tell you one thing, I've seen a lot of 'amazing' athletes through the years, and you'd be surprised at how many peak early and just stop progressing at about age 12... so what you see now, may be what you get. And are they ready for college-level play now?  The universe has a way of balancing out and the beast at 12 has to step aside for a different beast at 16.  Not saying these particular girls won't be good at 19, because they seem like 'pretty' sure bets,  but who's to say the passion will still be there? This is just adding unnecessary stress on a young girl and why??? What's the hurry? 
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Parents who wanna brag...........
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