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She doesn't replant. Lands after illegal leap and continues forward. This is why I continue to support Kelly. She played for a team I was affiliated with for about 3 months. She is not "my kid", but someone that is unjustly maligned. If she were gaining an unfair advantage, the powers that be would have addressed it by now. Better minds than ours have decided she should not be called.......live with it.
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She doesn't replant. Lands after illegal leap and continues forward. This is why I continue to support Kelly. She played for a team I was affiliated with for about 3 months. She is not "my kid", but someone that is unjustly maligned. If she were gaining an unfair advantage, the powers that be would have addressed it by now. Better minds than ours have decided she should not be called.......live with it.


I agree with a lot of this. The only reason I don't really support her as much as other pitchers is because ones that are illegal, are usually getting called for it. Kelly never gets called, and her leap is way more noticeable that any other pitcher in college softball. There is clearly something going on where almost every other pitcher is called for illegal pitches except Barnhill.
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I agree with a lot of this. The only reason I don't really support her as much as other pitchers is because ones that are illegal, are usually getting called for it. Kelly never gets called, and her leap is way more noticeable that any other pitcher in college softball. There is clearly something going on where almost every other pitcher is called for illegal pitches except Barnhill.


People cry that others are illegal too but yeah, Barnhill's delivery is the most noticeable out of all of them. She sweeps and leaps then pushes off again.
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I'd be a lot more excited for this if the slapper rule didn't exist and we could expect her freshman year numbers. But I expect any transfer UF gets is with the intention to put her in the lineup. 


My money is on Right Field.

Way more athletic than Hoover with a more reliable bat...even if all she does is match her stat line she can do things Hoover can't do like steal bases & get on base.

Also, Mathews at only 75% is still the best option for DH I'd think.
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My money is on Right Field.

Way more athletic than Hoover with a more reliable bat...even if all she does is match her stat line she can do things Hoover can't do like steal bases & get on base.

Also, Mathews at only 75% is still the best option for DH I'd think.


Mine is on CF.  Voss is the one that should go back to the bench.  Hoover was arguably the 2nd best bat in the post-season.  She has earned the right to play somewhere.
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Mine is on CF.  Voss is the one that should go back to the bench.  Hoover was arguably the 2nd best bat in the post-season.  She has earned the right to play somewhere.


Agree.  I don't know anything about Carraway, but Hoover has shown she's plenty athletic at 3rd and in the outfield.  And like you say, she came through in the post-season fairly consistently.

So if transferring automatically guarantees Carraway a spot in the lineup and defense, I agree that Voss is the one who loses out.  Or 1B and 3B are both open with the departures of Kvistad and DeWitt and leave Voss in CF.  Hoover can return to 3B if Carraway is that much better in the OF.
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Mine is on CF.  Voss is the one that should go back to the bench.  Hoover was arguably the 2nd best bat in the post-season.  She has earned the right to play somewhere.


Voss..possibly. But I think you'll want her speed in the Outfield. 

As far as Hoover 'earning' the right to play somewhere. I may agree if you were rolling into another weekly series but, other than her being ahead of some newbie on the depth chart those declining post season stats you mention don't really buy more innings next February. She piled up all her numbers against Bethune-Cookman..2-2 and Ohio State..2-3. She went 3-10 against A&M where they literally gave Florida the last 2 games. Then went 1-5 against UGA, UCLA & OK. Including 0-3 in the most important game/final with OK. She has yet to prove she can consistently hit SEC hitting, let alone the best in the country. 

While her stats were better than Voss', they should've been as Voss wasn't in batting lineup much at all.

DH Hoover all you want but you can't teach speed. Either Voss or Carrington by themselves can cover 3X the ground Hoover can. 
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Florida will be very exciting next year. We all know what Barnhill and Lorenz can do. But behind them Florida has a really young team. Who will produce other than Lorenz? Last year, Florida’s offense died many times, and next year they won’t have those seniors, who weren’t thought off being superstars, but were very good and consistent. I’m excited to see what Adams become. She was very consistent and quiet in the lineup last year, but she has all the tools to become great. And the power hitters: Hoover, Matthews, Roberts, Romanello. Who’s gonna produce the big rbi numbers. Who’s gonna hit the homeruns? We seen Florida be two types of team the one that hit a lot of homeruns and the one that takes a lot of walks. I think we will see the old homeruns hitting Florida because I think those 4 are better of being very aggressive than kinda conservative. Reynosa hit .300 her Freshmen year, will she get back to that? Lastly, who will backup Barnhill? And if Barnhill is going to be the Ace and not have another 20 game winner with her, can she develop a change up? Because the only Ace with no help we saw at the WCWS was Garcia and she ran out of gas, so she could not just throw it past FSU, and she could’ve really used a change up. With all that said Florida will once again be a very good team and with the new stadium I am excited to see them.
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Voss..possibly. But I think you'll want her speed in the Outfield. 
 


Caraway has enough speed in CF.  And Hoover played well enough in RF.  She has as much if not more speed than our AA LF.   Voss can be the same defensive replacement late in games as she has always been.  
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While I foresee Caraway getting the start somewhere, I don't think it's as a replacement to Hoover. Hoover's a junior with postseason experience and a ton of starts under her belt. She's also one of 3 righties that we could have start. Her bat is also more dynamic than Caraway's. The freshman, Lindsey, will need to earn her spot. Otherwise, it's Caraway's to take.

I'm still going with my original lineup, but with the toss up in CF. Lindsey and Hoover could also play 3B or RF. Allen will be in the lineup somewhere, whether it's 3B or DP (if either Roberts or Romanello struggle).

Matthews will play first. 

Caraway's addition allows us a little more flexibility than the only 9 who could truly start, that we had previously.

  1. Hannah Adams, 2B, So. (L)
  2. Amanda Lorenz, LF, Sr. (L)
  3. Jordan Matthews, 1B, So. (L)
  4. Jordan Roberts, C/DP, Jr. (R)
  5. Brittany Allen, 3B/DP, Fr. (L)
  6. Jaimie Hoover, RF/3B, Jr. (R)
  7. Danielle Romanello, DP/C, So. (L) 
  8. Sophia Reynoso, SS, RS-Jr. (R)
  9. Cheyenne Lindsey, CF/3B, Fr. (L) or Jade Caraway, CF/RF, Jr. (L)
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Probably not fair to compare Hoover to Caraway as they are very different type players. But I'll have to ask you to define Hoover's "dynamic" bat. Hoover is a 1 dimensional hitter. Get in batters box and swing as hard as you can. Period. Caraway is a lefty able to slap, power slap, bunt, hit HR, and more than capable of beating out the routine ground ball to SS. Last I checked Hoover can't check any of those boxes.

I'm not anti-Hoover. If they both would have arrived at Florida as Freshman, Caraway gets those innings.
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zone just keeps digging himself deeper...

Gators2014 has the likely lineup, Caraway is unlikely to start imo.
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zone just keeps digging himself deeper...

Gators2014 has the likely lineup, Caraway is unlikely to start imo.


Ye, what do I know. Just happy to be looking up your skirt.
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Probably not fair to compare Hoover to Caraway as they are very different type players. But I'll have to ask you to define Hoover's "dynamic" bat. Hoover is a 1 dimensional hitter. Get in batters box and swing as hard as you can. Period. Caraway is a lefty able to slap, power slap, bunt, hit HR, and more than capable of beating out the routine ground ball to SS. Last I checked Hoover can't check any of those boxes.

I'm not anti-Hoover. If they both would have arrived at Florida as Freshman, Caraway gets those innings.


So taking into account the slapper rule, you're saying Caraway is fast and can bunt. She's hit 2 HR in her career last I checked. I do like her ability to use her speed to earn doubles and triples though. With the slapper rule as-is however, Hoover's power advantage in comparison, ability to earn the walk and SEC experience give her the edge at the moment in my book.
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She doesn't replant. Lands after illegal leap and continues forward. This is why I continue to support Kelly. She played for a team I was affiliated with for about 3 months. She is not "my kid", but someone that is unjustly maligned. If she were gaining an unfair advantage, the powers that be would have addressed it by now. Better minds than ours have decided she should not be called.......live with it.


Well said.
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So taking into account the slapper rule, you're saying Caraway is fast and can bunt. She's hit 2 HR in her career last I checked. I do like her ability to use her speed to earn doubles and triples though. With the slapper rule as-is however, Hoover's power advantage in comparison, ability to earn the walk and SEC experience give her the edge at the moment in my book.


Agree with you Hoover should have the power advantage but, she's only hit 7 HR in her 2 yr career. And none against an SEC opponent. HR against Fla AM, Bethune Cookman, FIU, Hampton, Delaware etc..BUT, 2 of those HR were Grand slams which is pretty neat. Caraway has 3 total for her 2 yr career. Not too bad for a lefty slapper vs a supposed power hitter.

As far as walks Hoover 47 vs Caraway 43 so a non-factor really. 

Hoover's AVG improved nicely over 2017. And Walton gives her every oppt to produce. She was recruited for her power but her numbers show she has under-performed. Her # of AB don't lie. 2019 another season and Walton will bring in any player he thinks will push his current roster to do more. If they don't they get moved aside. I hope Hoover bangs out 10-15 HR next season. If she's doing that and all Caraway is doing is pinch running for her and stealing 20-25 bases, Fla in for a nice season. And yes, Hoover's SEC experience counts for much.

Just an observation. Wouldn't want to dig a hole so deep Supernatural can't find me.


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Agree with you Hoover should have the power advantage but, she's only hit 7 HR in her 2 yr career. And none against an SEC opponent. HR against Fla AM, Bethune Cookman, FIU, Hampton, Delaware etc..BUT, 2 of those HR were Grand slams which is pretty neat. Caraway has 3 total for her 2 yr career. Not too bad for a lefty slapper vs a supposed power hitter.

As far as walks Hoover 47 vs Caraway 43 so a non-factor really. 

Hoover's AVG improved nicely over 2017. And Walton gives her every oppt to produce. She was recruited for her power but her numbers show she has under-performed. Her # of AB don't lie. 2019 another season and Walton will bring in any player he thinks will push his current roster to do more. If they don't they get moved aside. I hope Hoover bangs out 10-15 HR next season. If she's doing that and all Caraway is doing is pinch running for her and stealing 20-25 bases, Fla in for a nice season. And yes, Hoover's SEC experience counts for much.

Just an observation. Wouldn't want to dig a hole so deep Supernatural can't find me.



Where are you seeing 3 HRs, I'm seeing 2, as is Gators2014? Against Marist and Rutgers, not exactly powerhouse schools. You're the one who called her a multi dimensional hitter who can "hit HR" - that's accurate, she can "hit [one] HR" a year. Hoover has 3.5x as many HRs in 70% of the ABs, with almost every AB Caraway has had was against relatively weak competition.

47 to 43 walks in 70% of the ABs against tougher competition is actually a big factor.

One player improved last year, the other nose dived, that's a big factor.

How much Florida softball do you even watch? You seem to think Hoover is slow - she isn’t. I just timed some players from contact to 1st on competitive GBs – Caraway was at 3.034s (pretty fast) on a slap, Hoover (3.445 and 3.486), Ocasio from the left side but not slapping (3.303), Klaevemann (2.901 and 2.954). Hoover pinch ran and stole bases last year as well.
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Where are you seeing 3 HRs, I'm seeing 2, as is Gators2014? Against Marist and Rutgers, not exactly powerhouse schools. You're the one who called her a multi dimensional hitter who can "hit HR" - that's accurate, she can "hit [one] HR" a year. Hoover has 3.5x as many HRs in 70% of the ABs, with almost every AB Caraway has had was against relatively weak competition.

47 to 43 walks in 70% of the ABs against tougher competition is actually a big factor.

One player improved last year, the other nose dived, that's a big factor.

How much Florida softball do you even watch? You seem to think Hoover is slow - she isn’t. I just timed some players from contact to 1st on competitive GBs – Caraway was at 3.034s (pretty fast) on a slap, Hoover (3.445 and 3.486), Ocasio from the left side but not slapping (3.303), Klaevemann (2.901 and 2.954). Hoover pinch ran and stole bases last year as well.


Caraway hit 1HR her freshman year. 2 less than the power hitter Hoover. They BOTH hit 100% of their long balls against weak competition. 

They BOTH had a down year. 

I watch quite a bit of Florida ball. I've watched quite a bit of Caraway & my kid played against her twice. And the words Steal & Hoover don't collide very often, at least not on purpose. Caraway has stolen over 2X the bases and mostly on purpose I'm sure. Highly doubt Walton has a designed Steal attempt for a kid you have to time with a calendar. And my kid runs a sub 3.0 home to first and Caraway can run circles around her backwards so you need a new clock. 

You're either related or a fanatic fan. And that's fine. I want Florida to do well as much as anybody. My initial observations were only Caraway is a better athlete and would be a better fit in RF than Hoover who is a one dimensional player. All in all we both want Florida to do well. 
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Caraway hit 1HR her freshman year. 2 less than the power hitter Hoover. They BOTH hit 100% of their long balls against weak competition. 

They BOTH had a down year. 

I watch quite a bit of Florida ball. I've watched quite a bit of Caraway & my kid played against her twice. And the words Steal & Hoover don't collide very often, at least not on purpose. Caraway has stolen over 2X the bases and mostly on purpose I'm sure. Highly doubt Walton has a designed Steal attempt for a kid you have to time with a calendar. And my kid runs a sub 3.0 home to first and Caraway can run circles around her backwards so you need a new clock. 

You're either related or a fanatic fan. And that's fine. I want Florida to do well as much as anybody. My initial observations were only Caraway is a better athlete and would be a better fit in RF than Hoover who is a one dimensional player. All in all we both want Florida to do well. 

Lol, damn, you are even worse than I thought you were, I give up.
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Lol, damn, you are even worse than I thought you were, I give up.


I feel your pain Copernicus. 
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I did not know that Tim Walton is an assistant on the USSSA Pride (with Jen rocha)
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What happened to Kelsey Stewart. She went from a player that if she had 6 at bats in a game would get on base3-4 times, triples, doubles. Bunts singles
To someone who can't hit a beach ball. She isn't heavy so that can't be it. Is she over softball or just stinks now?
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Anybody close to Florida hearing anything bout Rocha?
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I can not find any confirmed sources and no one on twitter is aware of it.
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I did not know that Tim Walton is an assistant on the USSSA Pride (with Jen rocha)


He isn't an assistant.   Cody Dent, a current Florida assistant, is however an asst with the Pride this season.  Walton used to manage the Pride back when Jessica Mendoza was still playing.
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I guess he was a 'guest' assistant the night I went out there
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In the recent news of Jennifer Rocha leaving Florida, who do you think will become Florida's new pitching coach?
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GAINESVILLE, Fla. – It was announced Wednesday that Jennifer Rocha has accepted the position of associate head coach with the University of Oklahoma softball program. Rocha spent the last 13 seasons wearing the Orange and Blue as an assistant coach and was elevated to associate head coach on June 15, 2017.

“Spending 19 of the past 20 years sharing the same dugout with a person I call a true professional and a friend has been a wonderful opportunity.” Head Coach Tim Walton said. “We’ve had many terrific memories on and off the field. Jennifer, Paul and baby Ellie have been like family to us. We are definitely wishing the Rocha family all of our best.”

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The Gators pitching success under Rocha included leading the nation in team ERA (2009, ’16 & ’17), the development of seven NFCA All-American pitchers and numerous UF pitching records.

“My family and I feel incredibly blessed to have spent the last 13 years at the University of Florida, participating in the growth and development of outstanding student-athletes.” Rocha said. “Words cannot adequately express my gratitude to Tim Walton, the Walton family, Scott Stricklin, Lynda Tealer and Jeremy Foley for giving me the opportunity to be a part of this wonderful community. Finally, I want to thank all those who contribute to making the Gators great including the UAA staff, all the equipment managers, the Gator Diamond Club and Gator Nation.”

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I’m honestly shocked.

Who does Florida go after?
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