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3leftturns

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Interesting comments about illegal pitching. We'll see how things play out I guess.

Not too concerned however. The comments on Ocasio being hittable are incorrect. She still has a below .200 BAA in her career. 3rd team and 1st team AA pitcher in her fresh and soph campaigns. Her inning reduction last year probably hurt within the season because she just didnt have the reps to compete as well as she has in the past against teams. But it's not carrying over to this year. She'll be in the circle a ton and is an ace. 

Chronister and Lugo are young, but they have one of the best coaches in the game to bring them up to speed. 

When I said slight dip, I meant slight. 
I totally attribute the LeLe outing in OKC to Walton really stepping in the poop by having her inactive in the circle for more than a full month before that game. No clue what he was thinking.

 

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I would love to l know the thinking behind that move last season. I mean yes Kelly barnhill had an exceptional year and gourley is the lights out lefty but if you watched the finals kelly and Delanie were two " freshmen" in the circle. Ocasio was the only pitcher who actually started a wcws game and that was game 1 of the finals in 2015. Would that have won Florida the title I can't say. But I think it might have pushed it to a game 3.
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Gourley had tons of experience, including winning two titles.

Not the point I was trying to make....

If you HAVE three pitchers, you need to have them all oiled up by the time supers and OKC roll around
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Sorry I missed understood you.
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Based on Walton's interview that was just posted on this board and everyone's comments from Fall games, starting lineup looking like:

  1. Hannah Adams (Fr.), 2B
  2. Amanda Lorenz (Jr.), CF
  3. Kayli Kvistad (Sr.), 1B
  4. Janelle Wheaton (Sr.), C
  5. Nicole DeWitt (Sr.), 3B
  6. Danielle Romanello (Fr.), RF
  7. Aleshia Ocasio (Sr.), LF/P
  8. Sophia Reynoso (RS So.), SS
  9. Lily Mann (Jr.), DP/LF
This team has a lot fewer questions this year going into the season.

Replacing Gourley isn't possible. I expect pitching to take a slight dip. Batters will adjust to Barnhill a little. Hopefully Ocasio can get back to her AA form from her first 2 seasons (I'm sure she would've been AA last year if we needed the innings). Chronister and Lugo likely split time. They just need to be serviceable. I'd be satisfied with ERAs in the 1.80 - 2.30 range. I see Chronister being used as a closer/save specialist. 

The offense looks bright with the addition of Romanello and Adams. There really isn't a weak spot in the lineup. The current #9 spot above allows for a flexible DP when Barnhill, Chronister and Lugo are pitching. Roberts, Hoover and Matthews (depending on redshirt) are all potential DP candidates that could add some pop to the middle of the lineup. Wouldn't mind another righty bat as well as it seems only 2 will be there consistently.

When Ocasio pitches, a serviceable LF will be required. I put Mann as my top choice due to her experience. I think she's earned her shot to hit and play defense more regularly. I also think her size and speed offer some versatility. Voss, Switzer, Sampson and Swertfager also all have the opportunity to fill in at LF. In fact, most of those aforementioned are likely more natural CFs than Lorenz. I'd expect Lorenz to shift to the LF spot whenever Ocasio is in the circle. 

Go Gators!


The little bit of video I saw of Lugo I wasn’t that impressed
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The little bit of video I saw of Lugo I wasn’t that impressed


I wouldn't read too much into her Fall Freshman debut. She's 1 of quite a few freshman pitchers in the P5 who were the resident stud just last summer. Then all of a sudden, as good as they are, they get to Fall ball and the worst hitter they faced was better than the best hitter they had ever seen prior to that. 

Lugo is surrounded by a great staff who will work very hard to get her up to speed. She also has the advantage of Ocasio & Barnhill as mentors. Pretty sure she'll be prepared.
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I wouldn't read too much into her Fall Freshman debut. She's 1 of quite a few freshman pitchers in the P5 who were the resident stud just last summer. Then all of a sudden, as good as they are, they get to Fall ball and the worst hitter they faced was better than the best hitter they had ever seen prior to that. 

Lugo is surrounded by a great staff who will work very hard to get her up to speed. She also has the advantage of Ocasio & Barnhill as mentors. Pretty sure she'll be prepared.


While I agree with the adjustment she will have to make in the spring, the competition in the fall can be a level below what is seen at PGF. We(travel team) scrimmage JC's and DII schools in the spring and routinely compete well. The real test comes in the spring.

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While I agree with the adjustment she will have to make in the spring, the competition in the fall can be a level below what is seen at PGF. We(travel team) scrimmage JC's and DII schools in the spring and routinely compete well. The real test comes in the spring.


If the competition is below PGF, shouldn't the Freshman kids show better?? lol

And, your travel team scrimmages JUCOs & DII schools during their official season? Never heard of that, interesting.
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I wouldn't read too much into her Fall Freshman debut. She's 1 of quite a few freshman pitchers in the P5 who were the resident stud just last summer. Then all of a sudden, as good as they are, they get to Fall ball and the worst hitter they faced was better than the best hitter they had ever seen prior to that. 

Lugo is surrounded by a great staff who will work very hard to get her up to speed. She also has the advantage of Ocasio & Barnhill as mentors. Pretty sure she'll be prepared.


I just didn’t feel like her pitches were doing much. Rocha can work miracles for sure...but her movement was so flat to me. Hopefully she will be better! I am ready to see what Chronister can do
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If the competition is below PGF, shouldn't the Freshman kids show better?? lol 
 "they get to Fall ball and the worst hitter they faced was better than the best hitter they had ever seen prior to that." This is what I responded to. Fall ball is usually JC's and lesser opponents. Hitting is mostly below PGF Premier.
Nervousness plays a part, but usually the better players do show well. Can't count how many times I've heard a dad say, "she did well, but it's fall ball". 

And, your travel team scrimmages JUCOs & DII schools during their official season? Never heard of that, interesting.



Timing has to be just right, but it's doable in January and February. JC's can almost do what they want, just have to fit the games into their schedules. The DII is a little more dicey, with a very limited window for games. Once the season starts for DII, if I remember right, no more games since the schedule is set assuming no scrimmages from that point. Been a couple of years since we start later in the year now.

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Timing has to be just right, but it's doable in January and February. JC's can almost do what they want, just have to fit the games into their schedules. The DII is a little more dicey, with a very limited window for games. Once the season starts for DII, if I remember right, no more games since the schedule is set assuming no scrimmages from that point. Been a couple of years since we start later in the year now.


Thanks for clarification. 
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Timing has to be just right, but it's doable in January and February. JC's can almost do what they want, just have to fit the games into their schedules. The DII is a little more dicey, with a very limited window for games. Once the season starts for DII, if I remember right, no more games since the schedule is set assuming no scrimmages from that point. Been a couple of years since we start later in the year now.


Interesting. Curious - what is the upside for the Juco or DII school to play a TB team? Other than getting some innings in, I don't see any. If they win, well, they are "supposed" to win. If they lose, it's "how the heck do you lose to a TB team??".
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Interesting. Curious - what is the upside for the Juco or DII school to play a TB team? Other than getting some innings in, I don't see any. If they win, well, they are "supposed" to win. If they lose, it's "how the heck do you lose to a TB team??".
Against a top org, like EC, loaded with future major D1 schollies? That travel organization can bushwhack such teams often
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Then explain how top tier teams like Florida, Alabama etc. play JUCO's in the Fall? Games are games. If you are supposed to win, then win.
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Interesting. Curious - what is the upside for the Juco or DII school to play a TB team? Other than getting some innings in, I don't see any. If they win, well, they are "supposed" to win. If they lose, it's "how the heck do you lose to a TB team??".


The local JUCO here plays TB teams all during the fall.  They use it to recruit and get the kids on campus!
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Hilarious tweet

https://twitter.com/FSU_CoachWilson/status/938946473999429633


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Interesting. Curious - what is the upside for the Juco or DII school to play a TB team? Other than getting some innings in, I don't see any. If they win, well, they are "supposed" to win. If they lose, it's "how the heck do you lose to a TB team??".


I've been connected with 3 different organizations that were very competitive with DII and JUCO teams. I would say we were probably around .500, since we adjusted the rules somewhat to fit time and location limitations. They were glad to get the competition. 

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Adding to  3LT and Fresh , all the AZ state JUCO schools regularly play fall ball against the top local 18U teams.
Frankly, tremendous talent at the JUCO level, unfortunately some excelled on the diamond but not in the classroom.
Many made up for it and have transferred to D1 schools. Also like 3LT said many club teams packed with verballed D1 players.
Games are always very competitive.
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<< Hilarious tweet   https://twitter.com/FSU_CoachWilson/status/938946473999429633 

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That was a very informative and funny tweet.
I also got a kick out of the one where coach Leach is giving wedding advice (dated Nov. 21).
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Hilarious tweet

https://twitter.com/FSU_CoachWilson/status/938946473999429633




New assistant hitting coach, new freshmen and 4 seniors in the lineup are gunna help right the ship.


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<< Hilarious tweet   https://twitter.com/FSU_CoachWilson/status/938946473999429633 

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That was a very informative and funny tweet.
I also got a kick out of the one where coach Leach is giving wedding advice (dated Nov. 21).



Do people around softball not like Walton?  Does he rub people the wrong way?  Its a silly argument regardless.  Seems it was a lighthearted joke. 

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Do people around softball not like Walton?  Does he rub people the wrong way?  Its a silly argument regardless.  Seems it was a lighthearted joke. 




For some reason I don't like Walton...at all.  Perhaps due to the lean into pitches crap he encourages.
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Wow 2017 was the lowest and still made it to the championship finals.
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Yes... a sub 1 ERA will do that
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<< Do people around softball not like Walton?  Does he rub people the wrong way? >> (TyCobb)

<< For some reason I don't like Walton...at all.  Perhaps due to the lean into pitches crap he encourages. >> (1janiedough)

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I completely agree about the "leaning into pitches crap he encourages"... 
and - he also obviously encourages miss Barnhill to pitch illegally (or he would have put a stop to it).

Both of those things bother me - a lot.

I do acknowledge that he is one of the very best coaches in the game...
but those two things really bother me.
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Coach Walton will be at the clinic in Louisville on Jan 5,6.

Wonder if anyone will get a chance to ask him how feels about the new pitching rules?[confused]

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Coach Walton will be at the clinic in Louisville on Jan 5,6.

Wonder if anyone will get a chance to ask him how feels about the new pitching rules?[confused]


New rules? What new rules? Please enlighten me this i gotta see. 
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I could be wrong (I have been before) but I thought I read that there was an emphasis on pitchers keep both feet in contact with the ground during a pitch this year.

Please someone help if I read that wrong.

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I could be wrong (I have been before) but I thought I read that there was an emphasis on pitchers keep both feet in contact with the ground during a pitch this year.

Please someone help if I read that wrong.
Well, that is the same RULE as last year
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I could be wrong (I have been before) but I thought I read that there was an emphasis on pitchers keep both feet in contact with the ground during a pitch this year.

Please someone help if I read that wrong.


Yes, you did read on this board that illegal pitches/mechanics will be a major point of emphasis at the Umpire's meeting this month(?). You also probably read there has been a major change in the Umpire hierarchy within the SEC also. Neither of which would sit well with Walton I'm sure. 

The powers to be within the Umpiring ranks can probably wrap the illegal pitching issue up in one morning before the donuts are gone. Seriously, all they need is an overhead with a still photo of Barnhill in mid flite with a big X thru the screen. Next slide would show her Bridesmaid, Carlson power sliding into any 1st Base Dugout..also with X thru screen. 

I've often wondered, when they Gun Barnhill, is that pitch speed or air speed? 
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