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Gators2014

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Posted Reply with quote  #91 
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Originally Posted by Softballjunkie223
How do you think the lineup will generally be? Seems like there will be major changes in it. Do you think Amanda will still lead off?


P. Barnhill/Chronister/Lugo
1. Adams - 2B
2. Lorenz - CF
3. DeWitt - 3B
4. Kvistad - 1B/DP
5. Wheaton - C/1B
6. Romanello - DP/C
7. Ocasio - RF
8. Reynoso - SS
9. Mann/Hoover/Matthews - LF


P. Ocasio
1. Adams - 2B
2. Lorenz - CF
3. DeWitt - 3B
4. Kvistad - 1B
5. Wheaton - C
6. Romanello - RF
7. Ocasio - P
8. Reynoso - SS
9. Mann/Hoover/Matthews - LF/DP
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Posted Reply with quote  #92 
<< P. Barnhill/Chronister/Lugo
1. Adams - 2B
2. Lorenz - CF
3. DeWitt - 3B
4. Kvistad - 1B/DP
5. Wheaton - C/1B
6. Romanello - DP/C
7. Ocasio - RF
8. Reynoso - SS
9. Mann/Hoover/Matthews - LF


P. Ocasio
1. Adams - 2B
2. Lorenz - CF
3. DeWitt - 3B
4. Kvistad - 1B
5. Wheaton - C
6. Romanello - RF
7. Ocasio - P
8. Reynoso - SS
9. Mann/Hoover/Matthews - LF/DP >> (Gators2014)

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I won't be surprised if Ocasio ends up batting higher in the Gators lineup than you have her.
Gators2014

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Posted Reply with quote  #93 
I wouldn't be surprised either. Ocasio can bat anywhere 3-9 IMO, depending how well her teammates are doing. Another example of her being the most versatile player in the NCAA. 
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Posted Reply with quote  #94 
I've called LeLe the only six-tool player I've seen since she mowed down my DD's HS team for most of 9 innings in 2013

UF made a mistake not having her a little bit more lubed during the season, for when OKC rolled around.

Her OTF power isn't prodigious, but she can yank em

6 Tool Ocasio
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Posted Reply with quote  #95 
<< I've called LeLe the only six-tool player I've seen since she mowed down my DD's HS team for most of 9 innings in 2013
UF made a mistake not having her a little bit more lubed during the season, for when OKC rolled around.
Her OTF power isn't prodigious, but she can yank em
6 Tool Ocasio >> (3LT)

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There is a young player in Oklahoma (who just happened to hit a HR off of Ocasio) who has a very full toolbox as well.
3leftturns

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You know, when that lasts for more than 4 hours, you are supposed to see a doctor [wink]

That said, Oklahoma hides its stats like Presidents hide their tax returns, so I have no clue what Mendes' pitching stats were

I also have no clue if Mendes would be arguably the best shortstop on that team, as Ocasio would be in Gainesville.
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Posted Reply with quote  #97 
Yes. I think Lorenz is an RBI machine and will produce a lot more runs 2-3-4 spot of the line up. Maybe after kvistad and depending whose hot Dewitt or Wheaton.
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Posted Reply with quote  #98 
Problem is, Lorenz and KK are the only two he can have faith in to get on base with the frequency you need to lead off the ballgame
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Posted Reply with quote  #99 
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Originally Posted by 3leftturns
Problem is, Lorenz and KK are the only two he can have faith in to get on base with the frequency you need to lead off the ballgame


I imagine Adams joins that party. DeWitt isn't a slouch either. 
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Posted Reply with quote  #100 
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Originally Posted by 3leftturns
You know, when that lasts for more than 4 hours, you are supposed to see a doctor [wink]

That said, Oklahoma hides its stats like Presidents hide their tax returns, so I have no clue what Mendes' pitching stats were

I also have no clue if Mendes would be arguably the best shortstop on that team, as Ocasio would be in Gainesville.


OU doesn’t hide their stats, they are published and up to date for every game. Very easily located.

I couldn’t get the format correct by copying and pasting but they are available on soonersports.com
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Posted Reply with quote  #101 
<< Oklahoma hides its stats like Presidents hide their tax returns, so I have no clue what Mendes' pitching stats were >> (3LT)

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Nicole Mendes has no legitimate claim to be seen as anything close to Aleshia Ocasio in the circle as a NCAA pitcher through this point in time. Ocasio had very good seasons as a pitcher in her first two seasons at Florida - and her role changed pretty dramatically in her junior season. Mendes has not pitched very much for Oklahoma (just 18.2 IP in 13 G).

Nicole Mendes' pitching stats for Oklahoma in 2017:
13 appearances, 2 games started, 18.2 IP, 9 hits, 1 double, 1 HR, 3 HBP, 8 BB, 14 K, 2 ER.

She had a nice 0.75 ERA with a 1-0 W-L record. 
Opposing batters had these numbers against her: BA .141, OBP .267, SLG .203, OPS .470


These are Aleshia Ocasio's pitching stats for Florida in 2017:
19 appearances, 11 GS, 69.1 IP, 53 hits, 6 doubles, 1 triple, 2 HR, 0 HBP, 8 BB, 55 K, 18 ER.

Her ERA was 1.51 with a 8-2 W-L record. 
Opposing batters had these numbers against her: BA .207, OBP .234, SLG .262, OPS .496
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Posted Reply with quote  #102 
<< I also have no clue if Mendes would be arguably the best shortstop on that team, as Ocasio would be in Gainesville. >> (3LT)

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Wouldn't Walton have played Ocasio at SS if she were truly the best shortstop on the team..?
Wouldn't he have just moved Reynoso over to third and put Ocasio at SS..?
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Posted Reply with quote  #103 
Here are the offensive numbers for both Mendes and Ocasio for the 2017 season:

Player .. G .. GS . BA  OBP  SLG .. OPS  R RBI  AB   H  2B 3B HR EBH  TB HBP BB  SO SB CS SB%
Mendes 61 .. 51 .408 .449 .598  1.047 55 34 184  75   8   3   7   18  110   2   12  24  21  4  .84
Ocasio  66 .. 62 .308 .380 .449    .829 36 32 185  57  11  3   3   17    83   3   19  30  11  3  .79
HenryLouisAaron

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Posted Reply with quote  #104 
And here are their offensive numbers for the 2017 post season:

Player .. G .. GS . BA  OBP  SLG  OPS   R  RBI   AB   H  2B 3B HR EBH  TB HBP BB  SO SB CS SB%
Mendes 12 .. 12 .347 .373 .531  .904  13   4    49  17   0   0   3     3    26   0    2    8   2    1  .67
Ocasio  12 .. 12 .306 .375 .444  .819    4   8    36  11   2   0   1     3    16   1    3    6   0    0    -
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Posted Reply with quote  #105 
Mendes and Ocasio went head to head in the last two games of the season and here are their stats for those 2 games:

Batter      BA   OBP   SLG   OPS    R RBI  AB   H  2B 3B HR EBH  TB
Mendes  .250  .250  .750  1.000   3   2   12    3   0   0   2    2     9
Ocasio   .182  .182  .182    .364   1   2   11    2   0   0   0    0     2


Pitcher     IP   ER    ERA   H   HR   EBH   BB   SO   W-L 
Mendes   1.0   0     0.00   1    0      0      0     0     0-0
Ocasio    1.1   4    21.00   4    1      1      1     0     0-1


In direct head to head play... 
Mendes batted against Ocasio one time - and hit a HR.

Unfortunately, Ocasio was not one of the four batters that Mendes faced.

In the 4 Florida batters Mendes did face...
she got Kvistad to pop up to third base
Wheaton to ground out to third base
and Reynoso to ground out to shortstop. 
Roberts led off the next inning with a single through the left side and that was it for Mendes.
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Posted Reply with quote  #106 
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OU doesn’t hide their stats, they are published and up to date for every game. Very easily located. I couldn’t get the format correct by copying and pasting but they are available on soonersports.com
I'm not trying to solve a puzzle here.

The starting hint is... there is not tab for Statistics... anywhere.

Not gonna take my metal detector and spend hours hovering over the sand

NCAA did have them
3leftturns

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Posted Reply with quote  #107 
Yes, HLA, Mendes has a lot of work to do on that sixth tool... as I figured
HenryLouisAaron

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Posted Reply with quote  #108 
<< Yes, HLA, Mendes has a lot of work to do on that sixth tool... as I figured >> (3LT)

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That is true. 

But you have to admit that Ocasio has a lot of work to do on that sixth tool (HR power).

Aleshia has hit 5 HR in her entire NCAA career. 
That is 5 HR in 248 at bats - for an average of one HR per 50 at bats.

Nicole had 7 HR in her freshman season. 
That is 7 HR in 184 at bats - for an average of one HR per every 26 at bats.

Mendes also became more of a HR hitter as the season progressed. She hit 3 HR in her 49 post season ABs (16 AB/HR).

And she hit two HR against the best pitching team in the NCAA in the two biggest games of the season.
She hit 2 HR in 12 ABs against Florida (6 at bats per HR).
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Posted Reply with quote  #109 
DeWitt has sneaky power.  It looks like sometimes, she barely swings at it and the ball just launches out of the park...I am like wow, that did not look like a homerun swing, but the ball just launches off her bat....
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Interested to see if he does have Adams lead off at the tournament next week. And I want to see Romanello....
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Left field is kinda open on who will play there, so we will see... 
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Posted Reply with quote  #110 
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Originally Posted by HenryLouisAaron
<< Yes, HLA, Mendes has a lot of work to do on that sixth tool... as I figured >> (3LT)

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That is true. 

But you have to admit that Ocasio has a lot of work to do on that sixth tool (HR power).

Aleshia has hit 5 HR in her entire NCAA career. 
That is 5 HR in 248 at bats - for an average of one HR per 50 at bats.

Nicole had 7 HR in her freshman season. 
That is 7 HR in 184 at bats - for an average of one HR per every 26 at bats.

Mendes also became more of a HR hitter as the season progressed. She hit 3 HR in her 49 post season ABs (16 AB/HR).

And she hit two HR against the best pitching team in the NCAA in the two biggest games of the season.
She hit 2 HR in 12 ABs against Florida (6 at bats per HR).
Not even close to the same massive chasm.... just a gap. Both are occasional HR hitters.

But, again, have a doctor check that out
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Posted Reply with quote  #111 
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New rules? What new rules? Please enlighten me this i gotta see. 


I thought I read that they were considering changing the penalty for an IP to just a ball on the batter, no runners advance. Lessening the severity of the penalty will hopefully make umpires more incline to make the call.
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Posted Reply with quote  #112 
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Originally Posted by HenryLouisAaron
<< I also have no clue if Mendes would be arguably the best shortstop on that team, as Ocasio would be in Gainesville. >> (3LT)

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Wouldn't Walton have played Ocasio at SS if she were truly the best shortstop on the team..?
Wouldn't he have just moved Reynoso over to third and put Ocasio at SS..?


Ocasio played RF much of the season because it's much easier to sub in and out in that position than at SS when she pitched. SS requires stability. 
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Posted Reply with quote  #113 
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Originally Posted by Still_JAD
I thought I read that they were considering changing the penalty for an IP to just a ball on the batter, no runners advance. Lessening the severity of the penalty will hopefully make umpires more incline to make the call.


I believe they did make the change to penalty being a Ball on the batter. As far as inclination to be called more, I guess we'll just have to watch the SEC to find out.
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I'm skeptical they will call it until after the 2019 season.... calling it now would utterly soil 2017 and cast aspersions on all the fruit from that tree, a de facto admission of corrupted officiating
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Posted Reply with quote  #115 
Ye, the post-Barnhill era would make a good time for a reset.
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Posted Reply with quote  #116 
<< Not even close to the same massive chasm.... just a gap. Both are occasional HR hitters. >> (3LT)

I would not put Mendes and Ocasio in the same category in regard to their ability to hit HR ("occasional HR hitters") as you just did.

Ocasio had 3 HR in 185 at bats in the 2017 season. That is one HR per 62 at bats.
Mendes had 7 HR in 184 at bats. That is one HR per 26 at bats.

And Mendes improved as a HR hitter over the course of her freshman season. She hit 3 HR in the 12 post season games in 49 AB (1 HR per 16 AB).
And that was against some pretty tough pitchers. She hit a lead off HR against Tulsa's Emily Watson (30-6, 1.25 ERA in 246.2 IP with 348 Ks). Then she hit what could have easily been the game winning HR off of Kelly Barnhill in game one of the finals. Barnhill had surrendered just three HR against 636 opponent AB before Mendes' HR. KB's HR numbers were one HR per 212 AB before Mendes took her yard that night.

In the two biggest games of her career, Mendes hit TWO HR in just 12 at bats. Yes, that is one HR per 6 at bats. 
AND... that was against a team pitching staff that had surrendered just SEVEN HR against 1,509 at bats before Mendes took Barnhill out of the yard.
The Florida pitchers had given up just one HR per every 216 at bats... before Mendes rocked them that night.

Here is another comparison between Ocasio and Mendes in terms of HR power.
For the season, Ocasio hit 3 HR in 66 games played. That is one HR for each 22 games played.
Mendes hit 7 HR in 61 games played (one HR for each 9 games played).

And again, Mendes' numbers improved as the season progressed - while playing against tougher opponents.
In the post season, they each played 12 games.
Ocasio hit one HR in 12 games.
Mendes hit 3 HR in 12 games (one per 4 games played).
That's a rate that is three times better than Ocasio. 

If we project their HR/G stats for this season - based on how they performed down the stretch in the 2017 post season... 
Ocasio would be projected to hit 5 HR over a 60 game season.
Mendes would project to hit 15 HR over a 60 game season.

Do I think Mendes will hit 15 HR in the 2018 season..?
I would not be surprised if she did.
It would be a pretty huge surprise to see Ocasio end up with 15 HR this season.
But who knows... maybe Ocasio will smack 15 HR in 2018. 
I'd be happy for her - if she did. But don't count on it.

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In terms of pitching...
Mendes will likely pitch very little in the 2018 season. Oklahoma's top three pitchers (Parker, Lowary & Lopez) hurled 95% of the team's innings in 2017, leaving very little room for any innings for anyone else. This will probably be about the same for the 2018 season.

But... after Parker and Lowary finish the 2018 season, there will be a huge amount of innings available for other pitchers in the 2019 season.
Will Nicole Mendes become one of the team's go to pitcher's during her junior and senior seasons..? It is very hard to say.
Could she become a twenty game winner for Oklahoma in 2019..? 
I'd say it's within the realm of possibility. 

Her ERA (0.75) was twice as low as Ocasio's (1.51) last season. 
She out performed Ocasio by a huge margin in the final game of the 2017 season as a pitcher - when it mattered most.

Will Ocasio become a player with 15 to 20 HR hitting power..?
I guess that is also within the realm of possibility. 
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Posted Reply with quote  #117 
Occasional home run hitters.

Put your shovel away.
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Posted Reply with quote  #118 
Do you think Romanello (spelling?) will be in the starting lineup? She has a powerful bat and she's got good versatility. I'd like to see her but is there room for her and Adams and all the other talent florida has?
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Posted Reply with quote  #119 
She had better be in the starting batting lineup, or they have a disaster on their hands
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Posted Reply with quote  #120 
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She had better be in the starting batting lineup, or they have a disaster on their hands

I don't really see them having a disaster without her but she would be a really great addition.
1. Adams
2. Dewitt
3. Lorenz
4. Ocasio
5. Kvistad
6. Wheaton
7. Reynoso
8. Roberts
9. Voss
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