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SECFan04

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RankingUniversityPoints# of playersTop 250 Player Rankings
1Texas A&M14097#'s: 5, 20, 20, 22, 85, 88, 108
2LSU13118#'s: 10, 16, 45, 68, 128, 140, 144, 146
3UCLA13106#'s: 1, 11, 14, ,27, 52, 91
4Tennessee11737#'s: 3, 12, 22, 81, 90, 159, 217
5Florida11466#'s: 9, 36, 56, 58, 62, 139
6Oregon11346#'s: 9, 15, 46, 87, 104, 111
7Oklahoma10485#'s: 6, 7, 43, 55, 96
8Northwestern9936#'s: 19, 24, 32, 127, 150, 161
9Michigan9406#'s: 18, 26, 39, 71, 185, 227
10Oklahoma State9346#'s: 40, 63, 77, 97, 125, 170
11Washington8937#'s: 44, 69, 101, 113, 158, 175, 204
12Stanford8696#'s: 51, 67, 95, 107, 110, 207
13Penn State8537#'s: 33, 60, 116, 145, 160, 191, 199
14Arizona8505#'s: 53, 70, 74, 102, 106
15Duke8046#'s: 42, 73, 98, 102, 163, 224
16Alabama7924#'s: 4, 8, 83, 117
17Baylor7857#'s: 23, 82, 93, 135, 137, 190, 246
18Utah7495#'s: 46, 65, 106, 121, 168
19Notre Dame7323#'s: 117, 53, 92, 135, 226
20Auburn6684#'s: 57, 59, 66, 154
21Mississippi State6044#'s: 13, 54, 130, 203
22Ole Miss6035#'s: 35, 112, 126, 132, 247
23Florida State5934#'s: 2, 29, 180, 200
24South Carolina5864#'s: 28, 118, 120, 152
25Arkansas5684#'s: 47, 50, 128, 211


OSU looks. like they reeled in a good class this season

Lot of SEC/PAC 12 schools
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5Florida11466#'s: 9, 36, 56, 58, 62, 139
6Oregon11346#'s: 9, 15, 46, 87, 104, 111



Number 9 is listed twice...lol.
SECFan04

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There are two players tied/ranked at 9

Rachel Cid  and Brittany Allen

Not sure how they do their player rankings and if there is a point system for each player
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There are two players tied/ranked at 9

Rachel Cid  and Brittany Allen

Not sure how they do their player rankings and if there is a point system for each player


Can you tell me who is #28 in the South Carolina group ? I would assume that's Karly Heath , which means they have dropped Rachel Vaughn out of the top 100 . That's interesting . They probably don't include Jordan Fabian in the South Carolina group either . She was originally a 2019 but is graduating early and coming in this fall . Flo hasn't switched her to 2018 either .
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Its Karly Heath 
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Its Karly Heath 


Thanks . Fabian might give the gamecocks another top 100 player in this class . She was #78 in Flo's 2019 class . 
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Can you tell me who is #28 in the South Carolina group ? I would assume that's Karly Heath , which means they have dropped Rachel Vaughn out of the top 100 . That's interesting . They probably don't include Jordan Fabian in the South Carolina group either . She was originally a 2019 but is graduating early and coming in this fall . Flo hasn't switched her to 2018 either .
i wouldn’t worry bout rankings Rachel give us Bevs first left handed pitcher. Rachel strength is changing speeds and getting weak ground balls that plays to our strength. I would like to see a final list of the flo 17 class and see how they performed during their freshman season in college. Heath is a very good athlete and Hayley Simpson is a very athletic center fielder who will fit right in to replace Kam. Fabian will compete with vest to earn the catcher spot. I’m curious as to who is going to play first base. I think the gamecocks will be very competitive next season.
SECFan04

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It be cool to post the 2017 ranks and see how kids did their freshmen season 
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i wouldn’t worry bout rankings Rachel give us Bevs first left handed pitcher. Rachel strength is changing speeds and getting weak ground balls that plays to our strength. I would like to see a final list of the flo 17 class and see how they performed during their freshman season in college. Heath is a very good athlete and Hayley Simpson is a very athletic center fielder who will fit right in to replace Kam. Fabian will compete with vest to earn the catcher spot. I’m curious as to who is going to play first base. I think the gamecocks will be very competitive next season.


The times I saw Vaughn in games that were streamed last summer , she reminded me of a left-handed Nickie Blue , hopefully with a better change-up . I think they would like to give Kumiyama a shot at first base , but she will have to get some of that excess weight off . She took pre-game with the corner infielders last season . Heath is certainly tall enough to play first base if they wanted to go in that direction ( and she has some infield experience from high school ) but I would think her athletic ability would be somewhat wasted at first base . I'm thinking Karly winds up in right field , and they may let her pitch some in the fall and see how that goes . In the outfield , I think Lauren Stewart will be back to compete for a spot , although her outfield play was a little bit erratic in 2017 .      
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Is Cheyenne Lindsey #36 for Florida?
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For Arkansas, is #7 Greene or Cesena? Same with #50.
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The issue I have here is this ranking clearly values quantity over quality. How do you have Alabama behind Oklahoma State when Alabama has 4 and 8 while OSU closest is 40. Little sketchy to me.
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The issue I have here is this ranking clearly values quantity over quality. How do you have Alabama behind Oklahoma State when Alabama has 4 and 8 while OSU closest is 40. Little sketchy to me.


I agree, LSU and A&M have a big class filled with quantity kids but some other classes have fewer with more quality kids 

Not that having a deep class is bad but I think quality of a class is better than quantity


Bamas class realistically is a top 10 class. Wallace and Fouts alone makes it top 10 for me
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For Arkansas, is #7 Greene or Cesena? Same with #50.


It’s a typo, actually, in the original list. Greene is #47, not #7. And it is Cesena who is #50.
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The issue I have here is this ranking clearly values quantity over quality. How do you have Alabama behind Oklahoma State when Alabama has 4 and 8 while OSU closest is 40. Little sketchy to me.
 I agree with you jayrot.   You're probably going to see at most four players from each class get any significant innings, so a better way to judge the class would be to average the ranking of the four top recruits.  By that measure:

1. UCLA has the top class with a top 4 average of 13.25, with
2. A&M second at 16.75, and then a huge drop to whoever is 3rd... my in the head arithmetic get's challenged after that.

You might be able to argue that Top 3 is the sweetspot of relevancy, and by that measure, 

1. UCLA top 3 is 8.66
2. Tennessee top 3 is 12.33
3. A&M top 3 is 15
4. Oklahoma top 3 is 18.66
5. Oregon top 3 is 23.33

Or you could just ask who got the most Top 10.   By the Top 10 measure:

1. Alabama and
1. Oklahoma tie with two each.

P.S. anybody surprised to see A&M with such an incredible recruiting class?

Incidentally, it looks like the formula they use to get a Total Score is approximately (250-rank#) for each recruited player, then just sum up all the players.  By that method, a school recruiting 10 players without a single one in the top 100, with each ranked from 100 - 110 would be the top class with about 1450 points.

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The other issue is that positions are not equivalent.  In my view pitcher is far, far more important than any other position, with catcher being the second most important... or equal to pitcher in programs where the catcher calls her own game.

I would argue the same for football, where Quarterback is far, far more important than any other position.   In baseball, I still think pitcher is the most important, but not as much of a gap b/c of the baseball staff and the #1 pitches at most every third game.

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Is Shelby Wickersham really a top 10 prospect? I see so much mixed stuff on her it’s crazy.
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There are two players tied/ranked at 9

Rachel Cid  and Brittany Allen

Not sure how they do their player rankings and if there is a point system for each player
If there are two #9, then the next in order should be #11.  Somebody messed up there.

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Is Shelby Wickersham really a top 10 prospect? I see so much mixed stuff on her it’s crazy.


She'll be a freshman. Start there.
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Yes total amount of recruits is no way to rank them. If a school just need three recruits becuase of 3 seniors leaving but those three are highly rated and will start, it should be ranked way higher than a team who recruited 6 and 4 will never see the field because they are lower ranked.
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Auburn has only 3 players coming in, afaik; Godwyn, Nillen, Moseley.
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Yes total amount of recruits is no way to rank them. If a school just need three recruits becuase of 3 seniors leaving but those three are highly rated and will start, it should be ranked way higher than a team who recruited 6 and 4 will never see the field because they are lower ranked.


There is no foolproof way to rank classes . It's mostly for entertainment anyway . I like the fact that they attempt to take subjectivity out of it . There is already enough subjectivity in the player rankings themselves . The fans of the individual teams can look at their class in more detail . 
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There is no foolproof way to rank classes . It's mostly for entertainment anyway . I like the fact that they attempt to take subjectivity out of it . There is already enough subjectivity in the player rankings themselves . The fans of the individual teams can look at their class in more detail . 


I agree

I wouldn't take the class ranks too seriously

Some teams have multiple top 10-20 kids coming in, these kids are probably better quality compared to others in the class. 
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The other issue is that positions are not equivalent.  In my view pitcher is far, far more important than any other position, with catcher being the second most important... or equal to pitcher in programs where the catcher calls her own game.

I would argue the same for football, where Quarterback is far, far more important than any other position.   In baseball, I still think pitcher is the most important, but not as much of a gap b/c of the baseball staff and the #1 pitches at most every third game.
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It's hard to take a class ranking system seriously that has Penn State, a team that finished next to last in the B10, 10 spots higher than wcws champion FSU.  Then again, as they say in the investment world, past performance is no guarantee of future results so maybe Penn State struck gold with this class.

I'm curious what distinguishes a SS ranked #75 from another SS that's ranked say at #92?  My best guess would be the word and general reputation one travel team and/or coach over another.  Even though it would make it harder to do class rankings I think a star based system like they do in Football and Bball would be better than this.  


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What are their greatest misses?

LeLe Ocasio (before they expanded to more than 100) was not listed in 2014 -- didn't listen to me on that one

Through some urging and video evidence, they pushed Meggo to 25 despite her being at Maryland at the time

Those matchups between King and Ocasio in the 2013 and 2014 Florida state final fours were amazing.

LeLe was committed to FGCU and King was committed/signed with Maryland those two matchups.... let that sink in

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 I agree with you jayrot.   You're probably going to see at most four players from each class get any significant innings, so a better way to judge the class would be to average the ranking of the four top recruits.  By that measure:

1. UCLA has the top class with a top 4 average of 13.25, with
2. A&M second at 16.75, and then a huge drop to whoever is 3rd... my in the head arithmetic get's challenged after that.

You might be able to argue that Top 3 is the sweetspot of relevancy, and by that measure, 

1. UCLA top 3 is 8.66
2. Tennessee top 3 is 12.33
3. A&M top 3 is 15
4. Oklahoma top 3 is 18.66
5. Oregon top 3 is 23.33

Or you could just ask who got the most Top 10.   By the Top 10 measure:

1. Alabama and
1. Oklahoma tie with two each.

P.S. anybody surprised to see A&M with such an incredible recruiting class?

Incidentally, it looks like the formula they use to get a Total Score is approximately (250-rank#) for each recruited player, then just sum up all the players.  By that method, a school recruiting 10 players without a single one in the top 100, with each ranked from 100 - 110 would be the top class with about 1450 points.


[rofl] Not a bit surprised! The only team in America that typically does less with more is the Aggies football team.
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The issue I have here is this ranking clearly values quantity over quality. How do you have Alabama behind Oklahoma State when Alabama has 4 and 8 while OSU closest is 40. Little sketchy to me.

If you take the number of recruits and divide the total points you'll get the true value of the class.
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I mean if you recruit more players, you have a shot at being a more dominating team. Plus you only get 1 point for each recruit, so a class with 10 recruits only has a 10 point advantage.
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I mean if you recruit more players, you have a shot at being a more dominating team. Plus you only get 1 point for each recruit, so a class with 10 recruits only has a 10 point advantage.


I wouldn’t say dominant team, but may have a better shot of finding a dominant player.
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