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DaddyO

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Our future, perhaps?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/7908742/Axe-falls-on-NHS-services.html

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Dingy Harry Reid is now saying that there WILL be a public option. So this is our future if we don't repeal the bill.
We need to vote in enough republicans in November that they can de-fund the health care bill, then in 2012 when we get a Republican president, we can repeal it along with Cap and Tax. (if it passes)

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Dingy Harry Reid is now saying that there WILL be a public option.

Grizzly - Why do you use the term "Dingy" in Senator Reid's name and how does that help make your case?  Do you believe using those adjectives will help persuade readers who might be straddling the fence politically?  What is your goal when posting here?  Just curious.  Thanks.

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My goal is to inform people about something they might not already know and to have a dialog with those interested. If someone has all the information in front of them and makes a decision as to which party to support based on my calling the scum bag senator a name like "dingy" then that person is not very smart.
I think any politician who helps to force through legislation AGAINST the will of those who he is supposed to represent is a scum bag.
So now that you have addressed the adjectives which I use to refer to the esteemed scum bag, do you care to weigh in on the actual substance of the post? How do you feel about the "Public Option" that Dingy has said we will now have? How do you feel that every other model of this type of government health care has resulted in rationed health care? Hmmmmm? 

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Grizzly - I just wanted a clarification.  If you're here to vent and incite rather than discuss, then I'll leave you to those who enjoy such banter.  I still wish you would have answered whether name calling is persuasive politically.  Right wing radio does it all the time and I'm suggesting it greatly hurts their cause.  Just wondered if you agreed.   

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Right wing radio does it all the time......


Name-calling is not patented by either side.....They're, both, equally as guilty....

CNN and MSNBC is proof enough.....


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Dewey, I did answer that question. I said that if someone has the facts in front of them and lets my calling someone "dingy" be the deciding factor as to which party to support, that person is an idiot. However, there are many many people who vote with emotion rather than using reason... we call those people democrats.
Now maybe you can answer my questions about Obamas government health care.
So now that you have addressed the adjectives which I use to refer to the esteemed scum bag, do you care to weigh in on the actual substance of the post? How do you feel about the "Public Option" that Dingy has said we will now have? How do you feel that every other model of this type of government health care has resulted in rationed health care? Hmmmmm? 


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Grizzly - I believe using phrases like "Tax Cheat Geitner", "Bela Pelosi", and "Dingy Harry" hurt the cause and credibility of Conservatives who use them just as the credibility of a Liberal is diminished when calling former Governor Palin a moron.  I know why media types do it.  It's popular with their close followers and pads their pockets due to ratings.  I just can't understand why one chooses to do it here, or in places where income is of no consequence.  I'll assume by your response that you disagree with me and feel name calling has no effect on one's credibility or their ability to persuade.  And as I said before, I think you've come to vent rather than debate and I have little desire to open up the link and discuss it with you.  Yep, "Dingy Harry" did it for me. 

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I have noticed a pattern here, it always seems that when democrats are confronted with a tough question, they will attack the questioner or the manner in which it was asked instead of simply answering the question.
POV, Dewey, gohawk, if you were baseball players you could play for the "Dodgers"   
By the way, Geitner is a tax cheat, so how is that an insulting term for him?

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By the way, Geitner is a tax cheat, so how is that an insulting term for him? 


Hard to argue with this....
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Grizzly - I just wanted a clarification.  If you're here to vent and incite rather than discuss, then I'll leave you to those who enjoy such banter.  I still wish you would have answered whether name calling is persuasive politically.  Right wing radio does it all the time and I'm suggesting it greatly hurts their cause.  Just wondered if you agreed.   

Dewey - I think it's better that we call Harry "Dingy" instead of using the same word Van Jones used to lose his job "A-holes". I think Harry would prefer to be called Dingy than A-hole. But he's both so it's no skin off my nose. What are you Bob Beckel?


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By the way, Geitner is a tax cheat, so how is that an insulting term for him? 


Hard to argue with this....

Geithner is not only a tax cheat he also looks like Squeak Scolari from the movie Baseketball.


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Grizzly - I believe using phrases like "Tax Cheat Geitner", "Bela Pelosi", and "Dingy Harry" hurt the cause and credibility of Conservatives who use them just as the credibility of a Liberal is diminished when calling former Governor Palin a moron.  I know why media types do it.  It's popular with their close followers and pads their pockets due to ratings.  I just can't understand why one chooses to do it here, or in places where income is of no consequence.  I'll assume by your response that you disagree with me and feel name calling has no effect on one's credibility or their ability to persuade.  And as I said before, I think you've come to vent rather than debate and I have little desire to open up the link and discuss it with you.  Yep, "Dingy Harry" did it for me. 

Dewey - These Limousine Liberals with their "Say what I do but don't question me" attitudes are what's wrong with America. They are so f/n out of touch with the people it's not f/n funny. The Dems in both the House and the Senate are a bunch of hypocrites just like you. Americans will be so happy when Dingy Harry is voted out and the House of Representatives goes to the Republicans which means that B*TCH will be out as Speaker of the House. I wish she would have gotten a bad Botox shot so her head would have exploded. She is the most dangerous person in this government and if she died tomorrow I'm certain that most Americans would be happy. I'd throw a party myself for her demise.


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Right wing radio does it all the time......


Name-calling is not patented by either side.....They're, both, equally as guilty....

CNN and MSNBC is proof enough.....


Bluedog - you mean MSLSD as the actual name of the network given by Mark Levin.


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Dingy Harry Reid is now saying that there WILL be a public option.

Grizzly - Why do you use the term "Dingy" in Senator Reid's name and how does that help make your case?  Do you believe using those adjectives will help persuade readers who might be straddling the fence politically?  What is your goal when posting here?  Just curious.  Thanks.

How about you say something of the wasteful spending and corruption in Washington with both Houses of Congress with Democratic Majorities? How about tax cheats such as Tim Geithner, and Rep. Charlie Rangel? How about 60s Liberal Loons such as Dingy Harry Reid and Nancy "I'll fly on my broom back to California" Pelosi? Where is their accountability about draining The Swamp? They quadrupled the National Debt in 2 years; so in essence they added to the swamp. These 60s radicals should drink poison Kool-Ade in the Capitol Cafeteria and drop dead that way the American People can celebrate. This Country will be better off without Reid and Pelosi and Hoyer and Clyburn. They're a bunch of old geezers who should have retired or died like Kennedy and Byrd.


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These 60s radicals should drink poison Kool-Ade in the Capitol Cafeteria and drop dead that way the American People can celebrate.


PGP you are one sick.... person! 
Dewey why do you bother?  This is turning into the Fox News echo board.
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Because Dewey knows how to debate and enjoys it..Dewey knows how to present a factual argument. Sometimes you win the debate sometimes you don't. Massare, one side is the MSNBC, White House Press Secratary echo board, the other the Fox echoe board. Why not enter in the debate and argue a point based on facts rather than emotion?
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These 60s radicals should drink poison Kool-Ade in the Capitol Cafeteria and drop dead that way the American People can celebrate.


PGP you are one sick.... person! 
Dewey why do you bother?  This is turning into the Fox News echo board.

Congress has an 11% approval rate across the Country. They don't listen to the people and short of a revolt they should do the honorable thing and drink the Kool-Ade and become a Worm Buffet.


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Hey......deja vu!  Think back just three years ago to 2007:

"Only 29 percent of Americans gave Bush a positive grade for his job performance, below his worst Zogby poll mark of 30 percent in March. A paltry 11 percent rated Congress positively, beating the previous low of 14 percent in July."

and.....

"The poll also found little confidence in U.S. foreign or economic policy, with 68 percent of Americans rating economic policy as just fair or poor and 73 percent calling foreign policy either fair or poor."
 
Bush, Congress at record low ratings: Reuters poll | Reuters


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Hey......deja vu!  Think back just three years ago to 2007:

"Only 29 percent of Americans gave Bush a positive grade for his job performance, below his worst Zogby poll mark of 30 percent in March. A paltry 11 percent rated Congress positively, beating the previous low of 14 percent in July."

and.....

"The poll also found little confidence in U.S. foreign or economic policy, with 68 percent of Americans rating economic policy as just fair or poor and 73 percent calling foreign policy either fair or poor."
 
Bush, Congress at record low ratings: Reuters poll | Reuters


POV - You're just like that idiot Obama. Get over the Bush bashing. He's not in the White House right now. Bambi is. That Hopey Change isn't working for nobody. Tax and spending and Keysian Econmics doesn't get anyone anywhere. But that stubborn jackwad in the White House doesn't care because he wants to bring this Country down with redistribution of wealth. Why don't we start by giving this President all your $hit so you can get a government handout.


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"The poll also found little confidence in U.S. foreign or economic policy, with 68 percent of Americans rating economic policy as just fair or poor and 73 percent calling foreign policy either fair or poor."
 

POV, I remember the press throwing out buzzwords after Bill Clinton met with Tony Blair on economic matters. The buzzwords were "a third way". I suppose that referred to some magical, mystical, yet undefined blend of Socialism and Capitalism.
I think our current attempt at Socialism for Americans is going to turn out like Britain's where the health care system is being rationed. The anger in America and the sagging approval ratings are due in part to the economy. The anger is mostly in my opinion the Democrats passing legislation that the majority of their constituents strongly disagree with.You cannot continue to govern a country without the consent of it's citizens to the laws being passed.

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I would suggest that very few of our citizens even begin to understand economics beyond whatever dollars exist in their pockets, and politics beyond what the media tells them to think. There exist even extremes of this. The more emotional, sensational, and simplistic the thought, the easier it is to swallow. The weakness in a democracy (not that we have a democracy any more) is that it requires an educated voting public.

What we have is an emotion based constituency of whatever Party they endorse as most meeting their personal wants and needs. Thus, demonizing the opposition is a great way to identify and make negative the "bad guys" for a voting public. Dirty Tricks works unfortunately, and it leads to name calling, emotional diatribe, and making fun of the "enemy" through caricature or worse. Amazing that we expect whatever "new" leader who takes the White House to solve all the cumulative problems that have been reaped by those who go before as well as those current to his or her time. The mantra of a vast number of citizens is "Wait till the next election", as though those incoming will be better than those outgoing through the "Washington Way". Sad in many ways.

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ahh yes:"

In making judgments, the Early Kings were perfect, because they made moral principles the starting point of all their undertakings and the root of everything that was beneficial. This principle, however, is something that persons of mediocre intellect never grasp. Not grasping it, they lack awareness, and lacking awareness, they pursue profit. But while they pursue profit, it is absolutely impossible for them to be certain of attaining it."

               

Lü Bu-wei 246 B.C., Chinese Prime Minister under Emperor Ying Zheng, The Annals of Lü Bu-wei, Lu Shi Chun Qiu


Or ,what do the rest of the unwashed dumb Sh!ts know

               
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I would suggest that very few of our citizens even begin to understand economics beyond whatever dollars exist in their pockets, and politics beyond what the media tells them to think. There exist even extremes of this. The more emotional, sensational, and simplistic the thought, the easier it is to swallow. The weakness in a democracy (not that we have a democracy any more) is that it requires an educated voting public.

What we have is an emotion based constituency of whatever Party they endorse as most meeting their personal wants and needs. Thus, demonizing the opposition is a great way to identify and make negative the "bad guys" for a voting public. Dirty Tricks works unfortunately, and it leads to name calling, emotional diatribe, and making fun of the "enemy" through caricature or worse. Amazing that we expect whatever "new" leader who takes the White House to solve all the cumulative problems that have been reaped by those who go before as well as those current to his or her time. The mantra of a vast number of citizens is "Wait till the next election", as though those incoming will be better than those outgoing through the "Washington Way". Sad in many ways.

I would suggest that those that are allowed to vote be those that are men of property and are the ones who pay taxes. That went away a long time ago, but when the voting public figured out it could vote itself the treasury, we were done as a country.

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"The poll also found little confidence in U.S. foreign or economic policy, with 68 percent of Americans rating economic policy as just fair or poor and 73 percent calling foreign policy either fair or poor."
 

POV, I remember the press throwing out buzzwords after Bill Clinton met with Tony Blair on economic matters. The buzzwords were "a third way". I suppose that referred to some magical, mystical, yet undefined blend of Socialism and Capitalism.
I think our current attempt at Socialism for Americans is going to turn out like Britain's where the health care system is being rationed. The anger in America and the sagging approval ratings are due in part to the economy. The anger is mostly in my opinion the Democrats passing legislation that the majority of their constituents strongly disagree with.You cannot continue to govern a country without the consent of it's citizens to the laws being passed.

Woody - they don't get it. The dumbass Dems in Congress and the Liberals on this board just don't get it thru your quote - The anger is mostly in my opinion the Democrats passing legislation that the majority of their constituents strongly disagree with.You cannot continue to govern a country without the consent of it's citizens to the laws being passed. If we were what they are categorizing us as "Angry Tea Baggers who are prone to violence" we would have already taken the Capitol Bldg and finished with them. But we are a people who respect the laws of our CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC unlike this Congress and we'll wait until November 2 to vote their collective asses out of office and put them on the UNEMPLOYMENT LINE.  Where's the outrage of leaked intelligence documents that could put our troops in an escalated Harm's Way? Our National Security has been compromised. Where's the outrage of the Liberal Media not covering the important issues while giving the White House a pass and a hand job at the same time?


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What we have is an emotion based constituency of whatever Party they endorse as most meeting their personal wants and needs. Thus, demonizing the opposition is a great way to identify and make negative the "bad guys" for a voting public. 


I would agree with this.

Those who wish to be left alone, to wish to enjoy the fruits of their own labor and not be vilified for becoming successful while doing so, those who do not want to look to any Party or person to provide their wants and needs, they tend to have a certain leaning.

Similarly, those who envy the 'successful', those who seek correction whenever someone else may have more than they, those who seek government to legalize theft and subsequent redistribution of personal property under the sheep's clothing of 'fairness', and ultimately, those who are self-imprisoned to perpetual misery because the fairness they seek can never be obtained, well, they have their own leaning as well.    

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DaddyO - Dems and Liberals are envious bastards and they have always been that way. They want to take what we worked for and redistribute it to those lazy bastards waiting for a handout. But they won't give up what they have; only what we have. I'm sure the academians out there call for Social Justice; I say EFF Social Justice. They're also envious about what people make in salary and what they have acquired from being hard-working and successful. Get a job you lazy SOB.


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DaddyO - Dems and Liberals are envious bastards and they have always been that way. They want to take what we worked for and redistribute it to those lazy bastards waiting for a handout. But they won't give up what they have; only what we have. I'm sure the academians out there call for Social Justice; I say EFF Social Justice. They're also envious about what people make in salary and what they have acquired from being hard-working and successful. Get a job you lazy SOB.



PGP, I heard a woman on the radio today say she wanted social justice from the Clintons.  She wanted them to scale back their daughter Chelsea's wedding and redistribute the savings to her so she could give her daughter a more lavish wedding.
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DaddyO - Dems and Liberals are envious bastards and they have always been that way. They want to take what we worked for and redistribute it to those lazy bastards waiting for a handout. But they won't give up what they have; only what we have. I'm sure the academians out there call for Social Justice; I say EFF Social Justice. They're also envious about what people make in salary and what they have acquired from being hard-working and successful. Get a job you lazy SOB.



PGP, I heard a woman on the radio today say she wanted social justice from the Clintons.  She wanted them to scale back their daughter Chelsea's wedding and redistribute the savings to her so she could give her daughter a more lavish wedding.

Wanabe - Bill & Hill did a lot shady, dirty things to get the cash they have. They worked really hard to lie, cheat & steal every nickel and dime they have. I don't think they should have to redistribute their wealth to someone else. God knows that they sold their souls and gave up their dignity to be rich. Hill's out there daily having to be two-faced knowing that her husband Slick Willy can't keep "Little Willy" in his pants and that Slick Willy would rub it with a cheese grater and pour hot candle wax on it.


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Frank, your post has been proven correct in just a few short hours.  Sad indeed.

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