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HomeFry

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I would like to apologize if my quote was taken the wrong way by anyone. I don't mean any offense by it.  Got it from a friend and wanted to share it because I think it is a great quote. Again, I am sorry if anyone took it the wrong way.
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This is a funny thread. To me the only numbers which matter are the ones on the scoreboard. Payroll, batting averages, homeruns, ERA, stolen bases, etc. might tell you something about a player or even team, but will never win a championship. If I'm right Tex Town Tigers won only one game so far in the playoffs and didn't win the regular season, although they have the better stats. But thats the beauty of a teamsport, even underdogs, poor teams, and teams without the great players with great stats can win a game or even a championship now and then. Wouldn't it be boring, if the Yankees win the World Series every year? All the best to Sparks, Tex Town Tigers and whoever is playing in the playoffs over there.

4for4, I totally agree with you!  Stats are great and all, but what is on the scoreboard is what really matters.  A player can have the the greatest stats in the world, but a team has to play as one and not 9 single players. "A team is only as good as their weakest link." 

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Well there has been many discussions here about pitchers with great great stats but never won the WCWS...

News from Haarlem, the Sparks team will be under the guidance of a new coach this weekend.  Harold an American who was guiding them was let go last night.  His record since taking over in July is 21-2, those 2 losses coming from Tex Town.  Reason is the players disagree with his personnel decisions.

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dutchtiger - It sounds to me as though the relationship between coaches and players needs a serious adjustment before Dutch Softball nationwide can compete worldwide.

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That is why Joisey needs to be out here to teach the coaches how to bring the players up...

Talking with many other top level Dutch players and they agree players out grow the coaches in Holland. It is hard to get all the clubs on the same page with coaching because they all have history between them, some good and some bad. The federation here that is in charge has their hands full with the coaches and leaders from the various clubs. Just to give you a better idea.

By next year all 8 top level teams would have changed coaches since 2006.

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Would be interested to know what is the reason the coaches cannot get along with the players.
In my point of view Dutch people are great and very friendly, so cannot understand why there is so much coaching turnover, and players discontent.
Are most of the coaches Americans or Dutch ????
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Hammer, I agree with you 100% on Dutch people being nice and friendly.  You have not experienced the "top sport" setting though.  This year there were 3 American coaches in our league.  One is with the 1st place Terrasvogels and probably will not return next year because he feels he does not contribute to players growing more.  The 2nd coach was brought in half way through the season, now done.  And there is myself who was lucky to find a good fit with a young and talented group of girls.  Sure I have had some small bumps in the road but could get right over them.  The rest are Dutch coaches who simply do not possess what is needed to stay in control and help teams grow.  I can compare it to Andrea Duran, Laura Berg and Crystl Bustos going to play for a 4A high school coach some where in the midwest....  Now do you understand the situation....?

My team was young with an attitude last year and had 3 coaches and the 3rd one was really close to quitting.  The players have a "yeah, but" attitude...  So coaches must be armed with the right answers for players.  I was ready to tackle this a month before I arrived...

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As expected Terrasvogels and Sparks Haarlem are in the Holland Series again.  Terrasvogels beat Twins 8-0.

In Enschede the Tex Town Tigers were trailing 2-0 again and made their usual comeback off of the Sparks 2nd American pitcher to tie it at 2-2 in the 7th.  The older and more expericed international team from Sparks won it 5-3 in the 8th.  Crissy Autry from Spraks could not throw today with a sore arm after throwing 3 games last week.  Lindsey Meadows went the distance again for TTT.  LIndsey turned in a pretty good playoff performance by striking out 37 batters and allowing 2 walks.
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Just want to wish Sparks and Terrasvogels the best of luck in the Holland Series.  I think after looking at the stats from the play offs the 2 best teams are in the Holland Series! 

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As expected Terrasvogels and Sparks Haarlem are in the Holland Series again.  Terrasvogels beat Twins 8-0.

In Enschede the Tex Town Tigers were trailing 2-0 again and made their usual comeback off of the Sparks 2nd American pitcher to tie it at 2-2 in the 7th.  The older and more expericed international team from Sparks won it 5-3 in the 8th.  Crissy Autry from Spraks could not throw today with a sore arm after throwing 3 games last week.  Lindsey Meadows went the distance again for TTT.  LIndsey turned in a pretty good playoff performance by striking out 37 batters and allowing 2 walks.

Did you talk to Crissy Autry personaly?  It doesn't seem like a sore arm would keep her from throwing a game.

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Sounds like the "experienced" teams are in the playoffs, while the "younger" team will only watch!  Also sounds like TTT only has one pitcher, LM,  the American.  Does Holland have any kind of training for younger pitchers to raise their skills? or is it Holland can only depend on getting Americans to pitch for the teams?  Great for American kids getting to travel and play in a sport they work so hard at.  To bad for the learning skills of the Dutch programs!  Now for the (please reply question) topper, this Sparks team had a coach since July, had a "21-2" record, and is now gone? because of making decisions of players? or did I read that wrong? 21-2 record, hmmm!   Maybe they need more than just coaching, and pitching.  I hope that the "American coaches" for the Olympic Dutch team make the right player decisions, would hate to see them gone, but its a good trip, again, for American softball personnel.

Good luck to those playoff teams, try again next year to the others!
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There is not much in forms of pitching coachs in Holland. I would prefer to have an American SS or C a player to lead the team and allow the Dutch pitchers throw. Only way to get better is to face the fire.

There are a few teams here with American position players here so they can develop their own pitchers.

If I would have had another SS from the beginning I would have had 2 Dutch pitchers throwing games instead of one.

As a coach anywhere you have to balance development and winning at the same time. But you can see it in players who don't care to develop, then it is hard to keep giving them chances.

There will be some player movement in the off-season and some new foreign players coming in I am sure.  Will be interesting to see how teams change, it happens every year.
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As expected Terrasvogels and Sparks Haarlem are in the Holland Series again. Terrasvogels beat Twins 8-0.

In Enschede the Tex Town Tigers were trailing 2-0 again and made their usual comeback off of the Sparks 2nd American pitcher to tie it at 2-2 in the 7th. The older and more expericed international team from Sparks won it 5-3 in the 8th. Crissy Autry from Spraks could not throw today with a sore arm after throwing 3 games last week. Lindsey Meadows went the distance again for TTT. LIndsey turned in a pretty good playoff performance by striking out 37 batters and allowing 2 walks.

Did you talk to Crissy Autry personaly? It doesn't seem like a sore arm would keep her from throwing a game.


Well it was an assumption, no one had said any reason why she was not throwing, we all expected it....

Here is the real story from her...

"I was unable to get through the beginning of my warm-up because of the pain, burning, and numbness in my arm, shoulder to fingertips, due to a long-term shoulder injury (6 years ago), which I severely re-injured when warming up for one of the last games to the European Cup. My shoulder is literally hanging on by fractions, the shoulder specialist told me that they don’t expect I could make it through one more complete game without completely blowing it out." said Autry

So it could be an exciting finish, anyone could win it this year.....  I believe Autry won 3 games against Terras in 2006 in the finals....??
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Well these 9 months in Holland is coming to a close, another written chapter.  I will be meeting Coach Bastian in Beijing on October 2nd to discuss what the future holds.

More pollution, traffic, cheap food and drinks....  And back to speaking Chinese everyday!

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Feel sorry for you
How can one leave the most beautiful country and the finest people in the world and go to where you are going.
But business is business.
My company has an office in Haarlem, but unfortunately no opening for my position.They proposed that there is an opening in Mongolia.HA!HA!
It's like wanting to go from heaven to hell.
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From the facts that have been shown looks like there is someone trying to help reinstate Softball to the Olympics!  Hats off to D Tiger for trying to help the cause!



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http://home.wxs.nl/%7Estoov/index.htm

A4 Terrasvogels opened the Holland Series on Friday-evening with a 2-1 victory against reigning Dutch champion Sparks Haarlem in an exciting game, which was decided in the seventh inning. Game Two will be played on Saturday at Haarlem, Game Three follows on Sunday at Santpoort.

Playing at home, Terrasvogels, which was the winner of the regular season for the fourth year in a row, got a lot of scoring opportunities, but stranded 11 runners. The squad from Santpoort left the bases loaded in the second and sixth inning and stranded two runners in the fourth at bat. Sparks Haarlem, which left a runner at third base in the third inning, struck in the fourth. With one out, Marloes Fellinger doubled, then scored when Noémi Boekel also doubled, but was thrown out at third base trying to advance.

In the meantime, the Sparks-defense, led by a good throwing Kirsten Scheele, kept Terrasvogels from scoring. As also happened in the sixth inning. The home got the bases loaded with two outs, but then a line drive by Nicole Wessels was caught to end the inning.

In the seventh inning, Terrasvogels was more successful. Sandra Gouverneur led off with a double, then Rebecca Soumeru was brought in to pitch. First, Gouverneur advanced to third on a sac-bunt by Petra van Heijst, but then a force play-situation was created by walking both Nina van Huissteden and Dana Horeman intentionally to load the bases. The tactics appeared to work, as Gouverneur was forced out at home on a grounder by Solange Starrenburg, but then pinch-runner Femke Haage (who ran for Van Huissteden) scored the tying run on a wild pitch. Moments later, a slow infield-hit towards short by Nathalie Gosewehr produced the wining run.
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Again, thanks for the report, and my best wishes on your return to Bastian's bastion. Keep the faith.
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Dutch Softball has a new champion for 2007.  Terrasvogels swept defending champion Sparks Haarlem.

Yesterday it was 9-2 in extra innings and today it was a 5 inning 7-0 game.
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Crissy Autry, the American pitcher for the Sparks, has suffered shoulder problems since her sophomore year in college.  Her shoulder can be fine one day and she can have excruciating pain the next - then be able to pitch a few days or weeks later.  Crissy is small for a pitcher - 5'5" - but has always thrown pretty hard and had good control and movement because she was mechanically sound and had unusually powerful legs.  While she was at Galveston CC she injured her shoulder and was treated by very competent orthopedic surgeons at the UT Medical Branch.  She was told surgery could repair her shoulder but her ability to pitch at the same level would be in doubt afterwards.  She was also told that if she could stand the pain she might be able to nurse her arm through college.  She should not be surprised, however, if her shoulder blew out and would require major reconstructive surgery somewhere down the line.  After much family discussion and soul-searching she made the decision to forego surgery and try to rehab herself back to form.  Her rehab was somewhat successful in that she was able to complete her college career.  She has been off and on with the shoulder ever since.  Several times her arm has given out comepletely and, after a few days rest, she has come back as good as ever.  Go figure.  I coached many years and never knew of a similar injury situation although some likely do occur.  Last year she pitched every inning of the four game Holland Series final with very little problem.  This year she suffered major problems towards the end of the season and into the playoffs.  Oddly, she had I think 18 and 15 strikeouts against the Terrasvogels the first two times she faced them so she must have had good stuff.  One telling sign of trouble this year, however, was the number of walks she gave up.  Outstanding control has been her strength throughout her career.  I noticed last year Crissy's walks went up some when she went to Holland but I blew that off as the umpires not knowing nor respecting her and not giving her the marginal pitches.  Sure enough as the season progressed the walks dropped but still were at a much higher rate than ever before.  From the beginning of her season with the Sparks this year her walks were off the chart.  I expressed my concern with her several times in our phone conversations and Crissy could not really account for the change, other than she said she didn't appear to be missing by much.  I couldn't say the umps weren't giving her close pitches this year - in 2006 she demonstrated she was a top pitcher in the league and gained much respect.  I was not in Holland this year but her mom is there now and they have each told me Crissy has pitched well at times but has been hammered a few times also.  This simply has never happened in the past and is an ominous sign I think.    I know Crissy wants to return to Holland next year if she can and I would never try to discourage her from living her dream.  How many of us would love to have the chance to travel the world and play the game we love.  I hope and pray for her sake this is not the end but, if it is, it's been a wonderful ride for all of us and I shall forever remain her most loyal fan - as well as her dad.  I hope this helps to explain her erratic performances this year and I apologize for my wordiness.

On another note I am familiar with the differences in motivation and work ethic between Dutch and American players.  The Dutch teams generally don't practice much and the intensity level is far below what American coaches expect.  I would liken it to a few years ago when I was still coaching and the west coast teams were pasting us at every turn.  As softball matured in Texas and at other softball hotspots we began to see results.  We began to see more motivated girls and we made more demands on them.  Parity will surely come in softball, I think we can all see that.  Look what has happened to international basketball.  I don't know if softball could ever be as popular in Europe as it is in America and Australia because of many factors.  But until the interest and numbers are there in their youth leagues it will always be tough for them to compete outside Europe.  The job Coach van Brunt did this year is not something I would have thought was possible.  He deserves all the credit for proving to the Dutch players that winning is the payoff for dedication and hard, hard work.  Hats off to him and his players.
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I just returned back to Enschede from 2 days with about 55 of Holland's top youth players.  In that group there were 22 pitchers who have the ability to throw at a D1 level if they continue to frequently work and continue getting the proper instuction needed.  The funny thing is there are only about 170 girls under 14 playing organized Softball in Holland.  The youth players here are very talented but get lost in the learning process.  I really hope I can return in 2008 to continue the learning process here and get Dutch Softball into the top 6 teams.

The players worked on all aspects of the game for about 9 hours in total in 2 days.  I feel this was a great clinic and more should be held in the near future.
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Maybe you should get the cheese or tulip companies to provide financing for classes or camps. Love those tulips, spent many hours in kukenhoff. I am sure the spelling is way off. Good luck.

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Well I shook hands today with the Board of Tex Town Tigers today to return to coach in 2008.  They came through with my long list of demands... 

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Monti,
Is it true that Sandra Kosterink is playing for Sparks next year and that your second pitcher wants to quit because she did not play enough.


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Well yes there are rumors, there are alwasy rumors this time of year in Holland because many players change teams each year. Players come and go yearly here, that is a big problem why Softball struggles to grow in Holland.

There is a big reason for Saskia to play in the west of Holland in 2008 because she is getting money for living expenses now and team training will be in Amsterdam. It does not make sense for some to travel almost 2 hours 3-4 times a week to train for the Olympics.  A bit hard to be the Olympic player living 2 hours away.

The 2nd pitcher might not have played enough to her standard. Every would have a different opinion. Her job was her 1st priority as she needed to support herself. She could not travel with the team on week night games because of work and could not make it to practice on time because of work.

Coaches have to make decisions that players may not like sometimes. When players talk about quitting it shows they are not dedicated to the sport of team. I will be talking with this pitcher this week to determine her future. She said she will either quit Softball or play on the 2nd team.

There will be 3 Dutch players in Enschede this week talking with me about playing at Tex Town Tigers in 2008.  All 3 have played with the Jr. National.....  And TTT is talking with a few (select 1) top ex-Pac-10 players to come to coach and play here in 2008.
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It is all but official that Saskia Kosterink will play for Sparks in 2008. 

The coach (Darwin) from the 2007 champion team (Terrasvogels) could end up coaching the 2007 runner-up team (Sparks)  in 2008.

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Darwin will not be coaching Sparks in 2008. He's decided not to return. Although there's .000000001% chance that things may freakishly change, it is practically certain that he will not be returning to coach in Holland in 2008. It will be a crucial loss for Holland.

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Today one of the 1st players from the "west" of Holland has agreed to play in the "east" at TTT in 2008.  Karin Tuk came to Enschede to talk with the club and made a deal.

Tuk has played for Euro Stars in the past years.  She was has been catching for the Jr. National Team for a few years and will now be eligible for the next level of National Team as she will be turning 20.  Tuk says she is committed to become the best player she can and get a chance to play in the playoffs.  She will come to Enschede next week to start Winter fitness and running.

Tuk spent 2007 playing for NJCAA National Champions Chipola College.

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Monti

I heard that N Timmerman is leaving TTT and that Terrasvogels is talking with your American pitcher (L Meadows)
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I haven't heard much on hear about players and coaches for next year. I did see where DSC and Centrals named coaches for next year.  http://home.planet.nl/~stoov/headline-e.htm#0505sb
Have you heard what Americans will be returning in 2008?  Just wondering.

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