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HomeFry

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Tiger, that totally sucks that your players didn't get to play in the European Cup. When did the team decide not to let them play? How many of the girls were suppose to play? That sucks for the girls that they didn't get to play in the tournament, but also sucks for the teams that they commited to by backing out. 

I think you are right about having your hands full with Sparks.  They are a very tough opponent and they have a great pitcher and she is going to be hard to beat.  I know you beat them 3 times during the regular season, but how did you guys do against Crissy during the regular season?
dutchtiger

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We faced Crissy in 1 game and we lost 1-0 in 8.

Actually it never got to a team vote by the girls, 2 players voluntarily spoke up and said they will not play, the success of the team in the playoffs was more important.  It was discussed at the team post game chat after losing to Twins.
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Whew! Haven't checked this thing in a while. I just got all of the European Cup updates. Looks like Sparks did pretty well up through a certain point at the later part of the week. Since I see recent forum conversation includes Crissy Autry, she had great success and was impressive in important games for Sparks last week. However, looks like she played 'homerun derby' with Macerata one night. Anyone know what that was all about? I know there had to have been more to that story. Something's not right, I think. All I see are statistics. Was anyone there, or do you know what was going on? That would have been one of, if not THE rarest events of her entire pitching career from what I've read. If any of you were there, please do tell your take on things. Looking forward to getting your updates...

Fly On The Wall
dutchtiger

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There was talk on Saturday of a spotter in CF relaying signs to the dugout on what pitches to swing at....  Batters were anticipating good pitches....  That is a rumor....

If Stacy Porter can take the world's top pitcher out of the park she could do it to Crissy also.....

My team will face Crissy in 3 games this weekend......
dutchtiger

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It is amazing what Italian and other teams will do to win the European Cup.  Every year new and top players show up...

Highest plaid player was Stacy Porter, $4000 a month.....

Tony will be heading to NZ next year.... Maybe I will take that job at Forli this time....     Spoke with Lisa Dodd and said she wants to play again at Forli in 08....


dutchtiger

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Well here is the health report and situation of the Tex Town Tigers Softball Team.

Started the season with 16 players. As of tonight there are 9 that are completely healthy.

**2 players in the US playing JC ball (my #4 hitter and speedy PR)
**Starting 1B, #3 hitter also hitting .400 has a broken hand
**Key reserve OF and Pinch Runner has a broken finger
**3B who is the #2 hitter has a serious ankle srpain
**Another OF got an arm in the nose and was gushing with blood
**Starting LF (best hitter in JR WC's) dove into home and banged her jaw on the ground

Hmm, what does a coach do.........

But the girls claim there will be 9 on the field to fight through Spraks for a spot in the finals!
FlyOnTheWall

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So I just read your sympathy report over a whopping 7 players who are on the injured list. However, I don't see too much of a reason to whine and moan about it... I only see that you're without 3 (max.) players! So a girl bumped her chin... Now she's crippled??? Another aparently can't run with a broken finger. That's too bad. I've never tried running on my hands before... but maybe she can use her legs eventually. Can't do much about the 2 gone to the States to play college ball. Hope no one scrapes a knee before playoffs because it looks like you can't afford to have any more serious injuries! Looking forward to the games! *Enjoying the trash-talk as well

dutchtiger

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It is amazing to an outsider when a player cries about bumping a chin.....  I really don't understand....

Virginie Anneveld (SS/3B) is out for the season with her ankle, doctor put her in a splint and crutches today.

Some Dutch players need to toughen up a bit and become fighters!
FlyOnTheWall

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I do apologize... But I'm slightly confused. Are you and I actually on the same page here, or are you just being a smartass? I don't mean any offense, I honestly just got a little thrown off with your response. It actually sounds consistent with most of my thoughts. My apologies for the confusion.
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lived in Holland for a few years, and let me tell you dutch girls are tough.
and very sportive.
only country outside of the US that I wouldn't mind living, specially Amsterdam.
Dutch people are the greatest in Europe.
dutchtiger

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Personally I like living here and coaching here.  This post is not to talk bad about players here or the culture.  This simply to inform.

I have not met many tough Dutch girls here involved with Softball in the last 8 months. They all appear to be tough but when you challenge them they break. Some cry and can't play anymore when they get hit by a pitch and have abruise on their arm. We are talking about players who play at the highest level.

Just was informed today on a 26 year old player with a fractucred pinkie who can't be a pinch runner cause her mom says she can't......

I was also informed that a top level player thought it was ok to miss a practice cause she had not missed one yet.  Right there shows the dedication of top Softball players here.  Many players need to grow mentally, if they do Dutch Softball could reach to #5 or #6....

There is a will to be on top but the desire in the heart does not exist.
FlyOnTheWall

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Wow, Tiger... I have to tell you, you put things very bluntly discussing the differences about the Dutch players, but I feel I must say, I agree with you 100%! Didn't realize we had quite so much in common in our views . Goodnight all!
dutchtiger

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Well it is not real easy and cheerful when your mind set on how to get things done are not the same as others you are dealing with. This is the toughest part of coaching outside of your own culture you grew up in. There has been a lot written about the culture attached to China Softball in this forum. I think no matter which country I am in there will be some big differences.

Can't imagine what it must be like in Iran..... Maybe I should try it there, oh wait can't go coach women there unless I look like a woman...

But after I have released my feelings and frustrations of injuries I will have 9 players on the field to battle to the Championship! I am pulling out of retirement my Asst. Coach who was the SS on the 1st team here for like 15 years. She is now 48 but can still play right up there with some of these young girls!

FlyOnTheWall

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Wow... Well, to say the least, it should prove to be a very good and INTERESTING battle at that! Good luck to both teams, and I hope you all have a lot of FUN! It's a priviledge and unique experience to play and coach internationally, and you have such an incredible opportunity to learn new things and grow, personally, every day. Enjoy your games!

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Hello to all back in the US and Canada. I am honored to have had the opportunity to coach the Fiorini Forlì softball team from Italy to a European Championship. I am going to differ with Dutch on my experience. My experience has been refreshingly rejuvinating and all I could have wanted in a team and organization. Our budget rivals any D1 program's and my players were sponges for info and to learn. They worked out faithfully in the weight room and with a trainer on conditioning and agilities, totally unsupervised by the staff. Italian players, at least on my team are very tough. In Holland last week, we played with 2 players suffering from food poisoning, 2 with herniated disks, my 3rd base with a torn ACL, my SS with a broken thumb, my LF needing rotator surgery on her throwing arm, and my CF with a partially torn hamstring.

Our organization did everything to allow my players to play, athletics trainers, physiotherapists, massage therapists, chiropractors, witch doctors, voodoo, etc... I think you all get the point.

We practiced 3 times a week, plus weights/conditioning, and we played every Sat. and some mid-week games, from March to the end of Sept. Very very rarely did anyone miss practice or workouts, for any reason, school, work, sick, etc.. And I will be returning to Forli next year, I have no plans to go to NZ or return to college at this point.  Thank you to all.
dutchtiger

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Tony- Congrats to you and your team again!

Yes the whole picture is seen differently in Italy. It is as close to professional as you can get in Italy. Holland is not on the same level when you look at the Softball clubs. Italy has a much bigger American influence.

One of the first statements made to me when I arrived here was "school and work are the priority for the players, Softball will always be second"  They do very well here for it not being a priority.

Maybe you can convince Forli to bring the team up to Holland for a pre-season tournament in 08

dutch

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Everybody knows that  in the Netherlands there is no the  pro leaque all the players have to pay contribution to there club ,in Itali the teams have more sponsors in the Netherlands a club can spent maybe 5000 euro for  a year and have to pay from that money also the coach,
So coaching in Itali is easier the  players in the top leaque get paid so you can tell them what to do .

In the Netherlands the players are most out of school so they have to make money.

I have more and more respect for Monti because it is very difficult to do what he is doing.

He make from a team that has no believe in there self a team that wants to go for every game ,i think when he stay next year there will be a team that can go for the championship.

He lost yesterday from Sparks 4-0 but he had no luck.

Hope you will win today


dutchtiger

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We lost in the 8th Inning 3-2. We were down 2-0 in the bottom of the 7th and scored 2 to tie. They walked out 4 and 5 hitters to load the bases and then we hit into a double play to end the game.

In the 4-0 loss, Saskia Kosterink hit a ball about 77M (250ft) with the bases loaded that appeared to wrap around the foul pole. It really was hard to call due to a short foul pole. We left 9 runners on base, had planty of chances to win the game.

We have made 5 big errors which have led to the 4 runs allowed. Lindsey Meadows has dominated the Sparks hitters striking out 14 of them yesterday. Lindsey will go again today in the elimination game. I am sure Crissy Autry will throw for Sparks again also....

Nadine Marinus is back in the line-up at 1B with a broken hand. I made a special donut shaped pad to fit on her hand to eliminate the force of the ball on the borken spot.

It really makes a difference missing 1 player (Virginie Anneveld, Central AZ recruit) in the line-up!

dutchtiger

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Sunday night in Haarlem the Tex Town Tigers chased Crissy Autry away in the 4th inning. The Tigers held on for a 3-2 win.  Autry's 1st loss in Holland this season.

Winning pitcher Lindsey Meadows had been pitching well in the playoffs but could not earn a win. Tonight Lindsey kept the Spraks off balance by striking out 8 giving her 30 K's in 3 games (22 Inn) against Sparks. Lindsey is well conditioned and was prepared to throw all 3 games for us. I had her throw 3 full pens last week to prepare her body to carry us through. After 2 days of rest she will throw 2 days to prepare herself to go Sat and Sun....

Hopefully we will get our 3B back to get us to the finals.....  Nadine's broken hand had some pain tonight, she will need to rest it this week to finish healing to be ready for the weekend.

This was a historic game for the club as it was the 1st playoff win in the top division.
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dutch tiger - Congratulation - big win !! Your kids are showing the benefits of good coaching.
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FlyOnTheWall

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WOW... That's all. I LOVE the sound of your arrogance.

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It is amazing what Italian and other teams will do to win the European Cup.  Every year new and top players show up...

Highest plaid player was Stacy Porter, $4000 a month.....

Tony will be heading to NZ next year.... Maybe I will take that job at Forli this time....     Spoke with Lisa Dodd and said she wants to play again at Forli in 08....


I saw Tony's post and the fact that he isn't going to NZ and will be back at Forli next year.  Where do you get your information?  Do you make it up???

HomeFry

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Hey Tiger!  I saw that you guys won last night and saw box scores from the first 2 games.  It looks like Saskia Kosterink and Lindsey Meadows are the only ones with a hot bat, but I have only seen the first 2 games. (7 out of 9 hits belong to those 2)  It also sounds like Lindsey is throwing well, but that will only get you so far.  6 errors in 2 games wow!  That will lose you games there.  I have a feeling that Sparks will come out with a fire lit under them in the next game!  Good luck. 

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It is amazing what Italian and other teams will do to win the European Cup. Every year new and top players show up...

Highest plaid player was Stacy Porter, $4000 a month.....

Tony will be heading to NZ next year.... Maybe I will take that job at Forli this time.... Spoke with Lisa Dodd and said she wants to play again at Forli in 08....


I saw Tony's post and the fact that he isn't going to NZ and will be back at Forli next year. Where do you get your information? Do you make it up???



It was just from what I presume is a credible source in Europe.  Guess it is not always right.
dutchtiger

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WOW... That's all. I LOVE the sound of your arrogance.



What arrogance? Nothing was blown out of proportion.
dutchtiger

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Here are the final stats from the Dutch Top League...

All straight facts and no arrogance in this post.

http://www.knbsb-stats.nl/knbsb/stats07/compsb07/index.html

Holland's top hitter is from Tex Town Tigers and the home run champ is also from TTT.  That "best hitter" is not on the playoff roster, she is in the US.

HomeFry

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“Win without boasting. Lose without excuses.”
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This is a funny thread. To me the only numbers which matter are the ones on the scoreboard. Payroll, batting averages, homeruns, ERA, stolen bases, etc. might tell you something about a player or even team, but will never win a championship. If I'm right Tex Town Tigers won only one game so far in the playoffs and didn't win the regular season, although they have the better stats. But thats the beauty of a teamsport, even underdogs, poor teams, and teams without the great players with great stats can win a game or even a championship now and then. Wouldn't it be boring, if the Yankees win the World Series every year? All the best to Sparks, Tex Town Tigers and whoever is playing in the playoffs over there.
dutchtiger

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No boasting and no excuses just making statements.  Just informing some people who want to know what is happening.  Maybe everyone does not want to read what is written.

The TTT team is not supposed to win it this year, everyone has said it.  Not a big deal the team has already made big steps to be at the top.  Of course as a coach you always wish to be on top but sometimes it just does not work out.

Anyone can win or lose on any given day...... 

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dutch tiger - Congratulation - big win !! Your kids are showing the benefits of good coaching.


FRANK-  Not good enough coaching yet, just trying to learn and do the best I can with what I have.  One day hopefully can be wise like you!    Need to get you out here for a pitching clinic 

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