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TyCobb

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Lugo is unproven at this point IMO, look at the teams she pitched against. Most the time she only pitched one inning.

Georgia State
Okland
Illinois State
The dumpster fire Maryland program 
Loyola Marymount
Gerogia
FIU
FSU
Florida A&M
Hampton University
Missouri

She only pitched more than 2 innings in 3 games the entire year

The only significant action she got was against Georgia and she gave up 5 runs and was yanked. 


Then do the recruiting services need an overhaul, because  I thought Lugo and the lady at ND were two of the top pitching recruits coming out of high school?
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That number 5 is amazing. LOL

I’m going to say:

1. Washington
2. UCLA
3. Florida
4. Oklahoma
5. Florida State


March 1st Florida plays UCLA then Washington. [crazy]
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Then do the recruiting services need an overhaul, because  I thought Lugo and the lady at ND were two of the top pitching recruits coming out of high school?


You've hit the mark with this post. Holloway/ND was the #1 pitcher in the 2017 Class. By any account she had a very nice Freshman season. Not sure but I'd bet Lugo was in the Top 10. Lot of hype coming out of high school,mainly because she WAS a Florida commit. HS/Travel is one thing but as soon as Lugo got to college, the worst batter she saw was 10X better than the best batter she had previously faced. Especially in the SEC, that schedule, playing for Florida...alot of pressure and it adds up on Freshman.  Haff/Arkansas & Beubian/Michigan were the only 2 Freshman pitchers to 'deliver the goods' last year. And Haff wasn't even ranked in the Top 40.

Lugo is more than competent. If Walton will give her some early season innings without a quick hook, where she can grind thru the rough spots, and the team will give her requisite run support, which they should be able to do no problem, her confidence will go sky high. She should be more than ready to compete against SEC teams without a meltdown. 

Problem is too many coaches want to throw their Barnhills/Grays/ etc...against the Winthrops, Ga States & every other Short Bus Community College for the sole sake of winning. The price is paid by most of the "top level recruits" who get quick hooks before they get a chance to properly learn the College game. 


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I think Lugo will suprise people this year and maybe Farley also. The Georgia game that Lugo went into was already out of hand. She looked pretty impressive in the either or two or three innings she pitched in the fsu game. Kept them off balancewith that change up.
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You've hit the mark with this post. Holloway/ND was the #1 pitcher in the 2017 Class. By any account she had a very nice Freshman season. Not sure but I'd bet Lugo was in the Top 10. Lot of hype coming out of high school,mainly because she WAS a Florida commit. HS/Travel is one thing but as soon as Lugo got to college, the worst batter she saw was 10X better than the best batter she had previously faced. Especially in the SEC, that schedule, playing for Florida...alot of pressure and it adds up on Freshman.  Haff/Arkansas & Beubian/Michigan were the only 2 Freshman pitchers to 'deliver the goods' last year. And Haff wasn't even ranked in the Top 40.

Lugo is more than competent. If Walton will give her some early season innings without a quick hook, where she can grind thru the rough spots, and the team will give her requisite run support, which they should be able to do no problem, her confidence will go sky high. She should be more than ready to compete against SEC teams without a meltdown. 

Problem is too many coaches want to throw their Barnhills/Grays/ etc...against the Winthrops, Ga States & every other Short Bus Community College for the sole sake of winning. The price is paid by most of the "top level recruits" who get quick hooks before they get a chance to properly learn the College game. 



I would add Kelsey Oh To your freshmen pitchers that delivered the goods her freshman year. Not sure where she ranked on the 2017 list.
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I think Lugo will suprise people this year and maybe Farley also. The Georgia game that Lugo went into was already out of hand. She looked pretty impressive in the either or two or three innings she pitched in the fsu game. Kept them off balancewith that change up.


When a pitcher is successful at going through the lineup the third time without getting beat up, will show how good they are.
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I will be very interested to see how Saile does. She apparently is a strike out pitcher and very well could be the closer that Patty likes. She had a strong fall, and anyone who has beaten Florida -- you know, with their SEC talent -- has tremendous upside. At OU she'll also benefit from a perennial national leader in fielding/defense. That will help her numbers.
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I will be very interested to see how Saile does. She apparently is a strike out pitcher and very well could be the closer that Patty likes. She had a strong fall, and anyone who has beaten Florida -- you know, with their SEC talent -- has tremendous upside. At OU she'll also benefit from a perennial national leader in fielding/defense. That help her numbers.


Ye, she struck out a truckload of kids...Mid Major hitters. And Florida lost to Maryland remember? & OK to Boston last season so that window is meaningless but I guess you can build on it. 

As a closer? That's just a nice way of a Coaching telling a kid she's not good enough to start.

Other than UCLA, KY, Long Beach, Fla St, that pathetically weak schedule should give her plenty of oppt to get orientated. 

I'm not anti-Saile at all. I believe she is key to their bullpen. Just being objective. But 22 losses against C-USA teams sticks out like a sore thumb. Her biggest asset is Rocha. 

When she steps up her game, I'm thinking Vestel will transfer.
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 The price is paid by most of the "top level recruits" who get quick hooks before they get a chance to properly learn the College game. 




This is a great point!  They need time to develop.  Regarding Holloway, when I watched her pitch against FSU she could not hit the broad side of the barn, kids in college are more disciplined then the travel circuit she faced before college.  But back to your point, she and others need the time and patience to be developed.  
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One poster said that UW's season depends on Alvelo's health. Is that at issue - has she already displayed problems that threaten this coming season? Or, is she like every other pitcher out there: waiting to see how that next season develops? 
As for hitting, UW gets back the leading RBI producer from the previous season (Flores) in the Pac-12, which is a pretty fair little conference. 
Finally, if softball is ruled by pitching (and if not, what?), please name all the teams that have 2 pitchers who have done better at the highest level than 
Alvelo and Plain. I'm sure it's a long list, so don't be shy. 
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One poster said that UW's season depends on Alvelo's health. Is that at issue - has she already displayed problems that threaten this coming season? Or, is she like every other pitcher out there: waiting to see how that next season develops? 
As for hitting, UW gets back the leading RBI producer from the previous season (Flores) in the Pac-12, which is a pretty fair little conference. 
Finally, if softball is ruled by pitching (and if not, what?), please name all the teams that have 2 pitchers who have done better at the highest level than 
Alvelo and Plain. I'm sure it's a long list, so don't be shy. 


Agreed. Washington’s staff> Garcia by herself. Unless this new Freshman pitcher UCLA has is the stuff, UCLA isn’t winning a natty.
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Washington has the best pitching duo in the country. Their offense may take a step back from last year, but they get back the 2017 pac-12 rbi leader along with an AA ss. Their defense is even more athletic than last year when they finished top 5 in fielding pct.

I think UCLA has a bit more talent overall, but they are right there. Faraimo will be great but I think next year is the year for her and Garcia will have to carry the load.

OK has Juarez who hasnt proven herself in big time situations but is a great pitcher. After that they have a staff without a lot 9f big game experience. Their offense should be potent but I dont see them on quite the same level with UCLA and WA.

I expect some of the recent transfers will change the landscape significantly. Kleist is a fantastic pitcher, Iakopo a really good catcher. They could change a team's outlook considerably.


LOL!

(Sorry, couldn't help myself).
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Agreed. Washington’s staff> Garcia by herself. Unless this new Freshman pitcher UCLA has is the stuff, UCLA isn’t winning a natty.


UCLA has a much better chance than any team east of the Mississippi.

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One poster said that UW's season depends on Alvelo's health. Is that at issue - has she already displayed problems that threaten this coming season? Or, is she like every other pitcher out there: waiting to see how that next season develops? 
As for hitting, UW gets back the leading RBI producer from the previous season (Flores) in the Pac-12, which is a pretty fair little conference. 
Finally, if softball is ruled by pitching (and if not, what?), please name all the teams that have 2 pitchers who have done better at the highest level than 
Alvelo and Plain. I'm sure it's a long list, so don't be shy. 


Nothing specific. The last I saw her which was in fall ball she looked fine. Last year she had some weird nagging injuries that kept her from being as effective as she could be. Just hoping that dossnt happen again.

I agree wholeheartedly. Pitching wins championships and WA has the best pitching duo. Period.

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LOL!

(Sorry, couldn't help myself).


How many runs did OK put up in the WCWS last year against Plain and Alvelo? That would be 0. In 2 games. Lol that.
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How many runs did OK put up in the WCWS last year against Plain and Alvelo? That would be 0. In 2 games. Lol that.


Your confidence in Washington is not lacking.  
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Huskies lost 123 RBI. Flores and who else will be the run producers?
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How many runs did OK put up in the WCWS last year against Plain and Alvelo? That would be 0. In 2 games. Lol that.


Alrighty, then. LOL!
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If Megan Kleist does transfer to UL as mentioned, you might want to move the Cajuns up.  Maybe into the top 5.  If the Oregon catcher, Lapoko, follows her to UL, maybe even higher. 
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If Megan Kleist does transfer to UL as mentioned, you might want to move the Cajuns up.  Maybe into the top 5.  If the Oregon catcher, Lapoko, follows her to UL, maybe even higher. 


Cajuns would be numero uno in that scenario. Right?
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Huskies lost 123 RBI. Flores and who else will be the run producers?


They lost 167 rbis from 2017 and people were pronouncing their demise last year as well. They ended up with 26 rbis less over the whole season and were national runners up. They also gave up 143 ER and 35 unearned runs in 2017 and 69 er and only 12 unearned runs in 2018. That last stat was a lot more impactful than the 26 missing RBIs (< .5/game). 

Flores had 73 in 2017. I don't know if she'll have 73 this year but she will account for a lot of those missing runs. Schiele and Huskey should produce a lot of runs. I think Kaupe, Hee and Helm will be a lot better than they were last year with a year under their belts. As with last year, you just need a few players to be slightly better versions of themselves from previous years (as Deponte was last year). I also don't think they'll need to produce as many runs as their pitching and defense should be even better.
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Cajuns would be numero uno in that scenario. Right?


Probably not. They're lineup will be pretty solid. Ellyson is very good, from what I hear, Lamb is good. I don't think they are quite at the level where they'll be able to take much pressure off of Kleist in a WCWS situation. Maybe they'll develop more through the year with Roberts, I know it's difficult to do much in-season while you're pitching, but as it stands if the Cajuns get Iakopo and Kleist, I would put them top 5 in the mix with UCLA, WA, FL, and OK. Maybe 4th after UCLA, WA and OK. Once you get to the WCWS, though the talent gap usually isn't much. It's who's hot, dominant pitching, and a bit of luck.
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Cajuns would be numero uno in that scenario. Right?


if the catcher goes too.. maybe CajunAmos would be one to ask how high they go in the rankings?

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If Megan Kleist does transfer to UL as mentioned, you might want to move the Cajuns up.  Maybe into the top 5.  If the Oregon catcher, Lapoko, follows her to UL, maybe even higher. 


You know how may Comedians are already out of work? Don't need any more.
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You know how may Comedians are already out of work? Don't need any more.


Lefty's standup will always be in demand.
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Lefty's standup will always be in demand.


think that was the 'other' left
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UCLA has a much better chance than any team east of the Mississippi.



No one was comparing UCLA’s chances to teams east of the Mississippi, only to Washington.
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No one was comparing UCLA’s chances to teams east of the Mississippi, only to Washington.
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Taking a run at an early Top 25:


1) Oklahoma (Big XII - 1)
2) UCLA (Pac 12 - 1)
3) Washington (Pac 12 - 2)
4) Florida (SEC - 1)
5) Georgia (SEC - 2)
6) Kentucky (SEC - 3)
7) Florida State (ACC - 1)
8) South Carolina (SEC - 4)
9) Arizona (Pac 12 - 3)
10) Arkansas (SEC - 5)
11) Oregon (Pac 12 - 4)
12) Texas (Big XII - 2)
13) Tennessee (SEC - 6)
14) Alabama (SEC - 7)
15) Louisiana (Sun Belt - 1)
16) LSU (SEC - 8)
17) James Madison (Colonial - 1)
18) Michigan (Big 10 - 1)
19) Oklahoma State (Big XII - 3)
20) Baylor (Big XII - 4)
21) Auburn (SEC - 9)
22) Ohio State (Big 10 - 2)
23) Notre Dame (ACC - 2)
24) Minnesota (Big 10 - 3)
25) Arizona State (Pac 12 - 5)

Far from a perfect list, just wanted to get a little debate started. Put the projected conference finishing spot in () after each teams rankings.
Interested to see your latest version after all the movement.
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Interested to see your latest version after all the movement.


My new top 2:

1. Oregon (Austin, TX campus)
2. Oregon (La-Lafayette campus)
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