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TyCobb

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Just from the games in NSW she dominated against the batters for NSW. Which includes a lot of high class international batters. Talking to friends in the team they were stunned at how good she was. (They also thought Avello was top notch) She has improved dramatically in Washington and I still am baffled why we didn’t take her to world champs.

I think Avello and Plain complement each other very, very well and they’re easily the best pitching double in the nation. If they both remain healthy they’ll be hard to beat.

I just find it odd that people are claiming Plain can’t carry the team by herself when she did exactly that post season.

T least this year I finally paid for the sports package so I can watch most of the season


UWs pitching combo is the best in the nation. 
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Are you dumb?


How am I dumb?

TyCobb

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How am I dumb?



For one, you apparently are a fan of entire conference, which is bizarre.
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For one, you apparently are a fan of entire conference, which is bizarre.


Doesn’t seem bizarre to me. Some of your recent comments make it seem like you’re trying to mimic junkie though, which is definitely concerning and headed towards bizarre.
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Doesn’t seem bizarre to me. Some of your recent comments make it seem like you’re trying to mimic junkie though, which is definitely concerning and headed towards bizarre.


What comments?  They made a snide comment about my top 25, which is just for fun, instead of being a jacka** they could add some constructive banter.
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Just from the games in NSW she dominated against the batters for NSW. Which includes a lot of high class international batters. Talking to friends in the team they were stunned at how good she was. (They also thought Avello was top notch) She has improved dramatically in Washington and I still am baffled why we didn’t take her to world champs.

I think Avello and Plain complement each other very, very well and they’re easily the best pitching double in the nation. If they both remain healthy they’ll be hard to beat.

I just find it odd that people are claiming Plain can’t carry the team by herself when she did exactly that post season.

T least this year I finally paid for the sports package so I can watch most of the season




It's very difficult for any pitcher, in any of the top conferences (including non P5's) to carry a team by themselves if they have to pitch 200 plus innings. Plain had a total of 166 innings which included the post season innings. she was still fresh.
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It's very difficult for any pitcher, in any of the top conferences (including non P5's) to carry a team by themselves if they have to pitch 200 plus innings. Plain had a total of 166 innings which included the post season innings. she was still fresh.


I understand that.

But she still did it. And will do it if needed (and let’s hope she won’t because Avello is a gun and it would be heartbreaking if she got injured her senior year)
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I understand that.

But she still did it. And will do it if needed (and let’s hope she won’t because Avello is a gun and it would be heartbreaking if she got injured her senior year)


Did I miss something.  Avello is or is not injured?  
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Did I miss something.  Avello is or is not injured?  


The conversation started because someone said Washington will go well as long as Avello stayed healthy.

I pointed out she didn’t last season and they went 2ns
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Did I miss something.  Avello is or is not injured?  


She's not currently. But last year she had some rib issues at the end of the season that prevented her from throwing some of the pitches she normally would. Also impacted her velocity and movement some. People are just speculating what would happen if she couldn't go for some reason.
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She's not currently. But last year she had some rib issues at the end of the season that prevented her from throwing some of the pitches she normally would. Also impacted her velocity and movement some. People are just speculating what would happen if she couldn't go for some reason.


Thanks

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That "#2" you're talking about had a .755 era in 46.1 ip in the post season including a .656 era in 21.1 ip in the WCWS. Your #1 was still suffering from an injury that limited the pitches she could throw. Of course Plain had just pitched an emotional 7 inning game in 90 degree weather the day before. So I can see an argument either way. What i cant see is leaving in your clearly struggling #1 (and limiting her pitches even further) when you have someone with those numbers on the bench. Should have been a much quicker hook.

Plain is clearly good enough to carry the team for stretches. She did in the post season. It's just really tough for anyone to carry a team across a whole season in a conference like the pac, especially with the 3 game series format. And then there is the postseason and the wcws. It's really difficult without being able to share the load. Just ask Garcia and Alvelo (in 2017).

Plain is a very steady, hardworking player, with great movement and a nice array of pitches. I think shes going to have another really good season, just as I thought last year (when many people were making fun of her recruitment and talking about how alvelo was going to have to pitch 250 innings again).


Good post. And my premise was she wasn't good enough to carry the team across the entire season. Maybe the better wording would be 'strong enough' as opposed to 'good enough'. 

Plain is a good pitcher. And was helped greatly by a very good supporting staff. And was also helped greatly by Umpire blindness as she was the 2nd best Jackrabbit in the country behind Barnhill. I doubt seriously anything will change on the Umpire front so she will continue to throw illegal. So as long as she is ALLOWED to cheat, like Barnhill, I expect anything is possible with her win/loss record. 

I agree with you she will have another good year. She doesn't seem like the type pitcher to have some sort of Sophomore Slump. She'll need more run support this year than last though. Be fun to watch.

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I don’t know why America just doesn’t change their pitching rules to reflect international. It’s not like they call the rule anyways so why not just change it?
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I don’t know why America just doesn’t change their pitching rules to reflect international. It’s not like they call the rule anyways so why not just change it?


Because it’s an eye sore and no one wants that to be the norm here.
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For one, you apparently are a fan of entire conference, which is bizarre.


I'm really not, although I follow a few SEC programs extremely close due to going to the school and having family members who played sports at other SEC schools. I was joking with you, didn't mean to come across as an a$$

As for your top 25, I don't think its that bad, although I am questionable on A&M's position given their losses and graduation. 

I believe Georgia and Tennessee will have pretty good teams but I would personally have Florida above both at this time. Barnhill, Lorenz, the addition of Lindaman.

I agree with the pitching Duo from Washington is going to be sick and as good as it gets, if Avelo continues to be healthy that is.

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I don’t know why America just doesn’t change their pitching rules to reflect international. It’s not like they call the rule anyways so why not just change it?


Why change the rules for 2 pitchers?
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My shot:
1.) UCLA
2.) Washington
3.) Florida
4.) Oklahoma
5.) Arizona
6.) Texas
7.) FSU
8.) SC
9.) Kentucky
10.) Georgia
11.) Louisiana
12.) Arkansas
13.) Alabama
14.) Tennessee
15.) JMU
16.) Michigan
17.) LSU
18.) Ok State
19.) Baylor
20.) Ohio State
21.) Miss st
22.) Minnesota
23.) Auburn
24.) Oregon
25.) ASU
First Five Out: CSUF, A&M, Drake, ND, Cal

ANALYSIS:
As of today December 24, 2018 those are the top four teams right now. We can debate on the order and each has some things to be answered, but those are the top 4. I just went with who lost the least and that’s UCLA. Hopefully they find a number 2. Washington lost a lot, but still has two very good pitchers. Florida lost a lot, but IMO has the best pitcher and player (Barnhill and Lorenz). However I think losing Rocha will hurt. And Oklahoma maybe will have the best team in the end, but at the start they still have to work with two new pitchers albeit very good ones. Also the lost of Arnold, Pendley, and Wodach may seem small but they were big pieces of that team.

Is this the year for Arizona to finally make it back? They have the pieces, but... they’ve had the pieces for a couple years. Texas is back! I’m high on Texas however there’s a lot of new pieces that need to be interwoven with the returning players. Even with all of the new pieces, I’m excited to see what Janae Jefferson can do in her second year. Next are our defending National Champions FSU. They lose Hanson and Warren, but with King back and Alameda at the helm, they should be at the top of the ACC looking to host another Super Regional. Then you have Kentucky and SC. Not the usual powerhouses from the SEC but both of these team return A LOT excited to see both take the next step. Georgia has the offense to get back to the WCWS, however can Fico get Avant and the crew ready in the circle? I think Avant can be an Ace, but she has to be more consistent.

Louisiana’s “fall” was very quick as Glasco has this team looking to get back to the WCWS and with the addition of Kleist they are looking good. We’ll see how Glasco integrates all the transfers but times are rolling for the Ragin Cajuns! Arkansas was the surprise last year and this year should be better with the addition of Gibson and Jackson. I really like this Arkansas team as Storms and Haff try to become the premier two headed monster albeit MANY school have something to say about that. Next we have Alabama and Tennessee two powerhouse programs in the SEC. Alabama has to replace Osorio, but they have a very good offense coming back and Fouts looking to become the next great Alabama Ace. Tennessee loses the best player in school history in Meghan Gregg, but the Weeklys still have very good pieces and add the younger Shippman. Question is can Tennessee perform throughout the WHOLE season. JMU coming off a great year adds All American Good back. Last year without Good JMU had to lean on other players on both offense and in the circle. With her back, look for JMU to push to host a regional and no one wants to face Megan Good.

I think Michigan will be back at the top of the Big 10 this year. With Beaubien leading in the circle, if Michigan can find more consistency in from the number 2 and replace Blanco’s lost power, they should host a regional. Now to my favorite team them LSU tigers. Hoover and Walljasper are LSU greats and losing them is a lot. However, with the addition of Amanda Sanchez, the offense can be good. Andrews and Doyle are back, Sunseri gets a full year in the lineup, and the bottom of the order produces even a little, we’ll be ok. In the circle, I would never doubt Torina. Gorsuch and Sunseri had moments of brightness especially in the Florida series. Add Kilponen and Wickersham to that, I think LSU will be good and can fight to host a regional. Ok state loses Shippy but with the additions of Show, Sprang, and Springfield to an already solid team, they can be a team who surprises people. Glen Moore will always have Baylor in a position to host a regional and with Walker and Dawson at the top, look for them to run on anyone. Rodoni is a very good pitcher but Baylor needs a number 2 to emerge for they can be a real threat. Ohio state returns one the best players in the country in Lilli Pipper. I think Ohio State is the second best team in the Big 10, but can they replace Shelby McCombs who was big on offense and in the circle.

Auburn has a lot of questions to answer and it starts with offense much like LSU. They have to better. They didn’t really bring in any new players so they have to get better with what they have. Taylon Snow, Rivera and McCrackin are threevery good players and they should be great. But I’m looking at Senior Kendall Veach she needs to be a force in the middle of that lineup and I think she can with the help of a hopefully healthy Tannon Snow and a should be improved Justus Perry they should be good. And they just need to find a number 2 pitcher. Martin is good but can’t do it by herself. Mississippi State can be a surprise team but it matters how they are in the circle. Usually Vann has a very good pitching staff but this year that’s a question mark. Can Loza from ASU be a difference maker? Sophomore Emily Williams player well last year going 5-1 with a 1.74 era but she’ll need to produce more. They also have highly ranked recruit Grace Fagan coming in. The offense lead by Mia Davidson should be at least adequate. Minnesota can be the best team in the big10 and host a regional. They have two pitchers who can be all Americans in Amber Fiser and Sydney Smith unlike Michigan and OSU I just dropped them down because of the lost Lindamann. I know they bring in Brandner but Minnesota is more of a wait and see for me. However they can be a very good team and easily win another Big10 tile. Lastly you have Oregon and ASU and oh so much can change in a couple of months. Oregon has gone through so much change, but I’m interested in seeing what they can do. I think they have an Ace in Balint and with Dail and McGrandle being lefties and know with Lombardi has done with lefties, I’m intrigued. On Offense they have decent pieces but we have to see who produces. At ASU they don’t have one returning pitcher all transfers and freshmen Meza is a good pitcher but i don’t know if she can do it alone. Losing Gibson is huge and the offense will have to find ways to score runs. But Howe and Hackbarth must lead the offense and they both had good numbers last year.

Sorry for the long post lol Merry Christmas

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Why change the rules for 2 pitchers?


Agreed. Let's just level the playing field by giving all batters facing Barnhill & Plain 4 strikes. 
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<< Sorry for the long post lol Merry Christmas >> (lovepurplelivegold)


Donald - Don't be sorry for a long post - if it has some interesting opinions in it - and yours did.
Lots of people have no problem reading five paragraphs. For those that don't... too bad.

I think watching how the Oregon team plays out in 2019 will be quite interesting.
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<< Agreed. Let's just level the playing field by giving all batters facing Barnhill & Plain 4 strikes. >> (outofzone)


Or they could just move the pitching plate back two feet for those leapers.
Couldn't you just see the ground's crew digging it up and moving it after every three outs.

; )
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Because it’s an eye sore and no one wants that to be the norm here.


It's less of an eyesore than the current situation with the rule being sporadically enforced (and generally not at all in "big" games). There are a lot more pitchers that leap than Plain and Barnhill. If the rules were enforced to the letter all the time there would be a lot of pitchers and teams messed up.

If the international rule were followed to the letter, Barnhill's replanting would still be illegal. In practice, two feet on the rubber, hands together seems to be what is enforced in international ball.

It's a tough problem. Pitchers that learn the "right" way can be at a disadvantage to the leapers. I think you either need to be firm on your rules and consistently enforce them, or abolish them altogether.
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It's less of an eyesore than the current situation with the rule being sporadically enforced (and generally not at all in "big" games). There are a lot more pitchers that leap than Plain and Barnhill. If the rules were enforced to the letter all the time there would be a lot of pitchers and teams messed up.

If the international rule were followed to the letter, Barnhill's replanting would still be illegal. In practice, two feet on the rubber, hands together seems to be what is enforced in international ball.

It's a tough problem. Pitchers that learn the "right" way can be at a disadvantage to the leapers. I think you either need to be firm on your rules and consistently enforce them, or abolish them altogether.


I say pitchers should be aloud to use the walk through, like some use in warm ups
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It's less of an eyesore than the current situation with the rule being sporadically enforced (and generally not at all in "big" games). There are a lot more pitchers that leap than Plain and Barnhill. If the rules were enforced to the letter all the time there would be a lot of pitchers and teams messed up.

If the international rule were followed to the letter, Barnhill's replanting would still be illegal. In practice, two feet on the rubber, hands together seems to be what is enforced in international ball.

It's a tough problem. Pitchers that learn the "right" way can be at a disadvantage to the leapers. I think you either need to be firm on your rules and consistently enforce them, or abolish them altogether.


This is college ball, not international ball. The rules should NOT be changed for the very small percentage of college players who also play internationally.
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I'm really not, although I follow a few SEC programs extremely close due to going to the school and having family members who played sports at other SEC schools. I was joking with you, didn't mean to come across as an a$$

As for your top 25, I don't think its that bad, although I am questionable on A&M's position given their losses and graduation. 

I believe Georgia and Tennessee will have pretty good teams but I would personally have Florida above both at this time. Barnhill, Lorenz, the addition of Lindaman.

I agree with the pitching Duo from Washington is going to be sick and as good as it gets, if Avelo continues to be healthy that is.



No worries, its a preseason top 25 all in fun.
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It's less of an eyesore than the current situation with the rule being sporadically enforced (and generally not at all in "big" games). There are a lot more pitchers that leap than Plain and Barnhill. If the rules were enforced to the letter all the time there would be a lot of pitchers and teams messed up.

If the international rule were followed to the letter, Barnhill's replanting would still be illegal. In practice, two feet on the rubber, hands together seems to be what is enforced in international ball.

It's a tough problem. Pitchers that learn the "right" way can be at a disadvantage to the leapers. I think you either need to be firm on your rules and consistently enforce them, or abolish them altogether.

Not at all in big games? How about UCLA and Florida in wcws??
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Here is my pre-season top 25: [I know everyone is clamoring to know what I think [wink]]

1.  Oklahoma
2.  Washington
3.  UCLA
4.  Tennessee
5.  Georgia
6.  Louisiana
7.  Texas
8.  Florida
9.  Florida State
10.  Michigan
11.  Arizona State
12.  South Carolina
13.  Alabama
14.  Oregon
15.  Arizona
16.  Virginia Tech
17.  Duke
18.  Baylor
19.  TAMU
20.  Arkansas
21.  Notre Dame
22.  Auburn
23.  Ohio State
24.  Mississippi State
25.  South Florida


Very interesting to see Georgia, Tennessee, and Arizona State ahead of South Carolina. Don’t agree at all.
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<< Agreed. Let's just level the playing field by giving all batters facing Barnhill & Plain 4 strikes. >> (outofzone)


Or they could just move the pitching plate back two feet for those leapers.
Couldn't you just see the ground's crew digging it up and moving it after every three outs.

; )
so a little replant is what makes here better?? I don’t think so. I think it’s more like she can throw the rise all at three different levels. How many of y’all have pitchers for daughters?
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You can add the Tigers, Gorsuch, to the list of those throwing illegally.
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Very interesting to see Georgia, Tennessee, and Arizona State ahead of South Carolina. Don’t agree at all.


There is no right or wrong answer, just fun to to discuss.  
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Bingo...  It's all opinion and prediction.  Nothing more
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