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TheHammer

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bluedog agree with you, but tell that to blacks that want to take advantage of the past.
JoiseyGuy

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Hammer - Are you asking Jews to just forget about the Holocaust??  Native Americans to forget Wounded Knee and the trail of Tears?  Are you asking people of color to forget about the institution of slavery, Jim Crow, the black and white armies of WW2, Japanese internment, and the fact that laws had to be instituted only 59 years ago in our nation to declare them "equal" to white people?  I don't think that forgetting will ever happen, but then was then and now is now despite the past and sometimes because of it.       Frank

PS - My grandfather told me, "Ner forget Nina, gossoon".  I always wondered who she was until I grew old enough to read material that included the historical fact that Irish new to our country during Gramps' era often met signs that said "No Irish need apply". I have seen newspapers in which Irish are portrayed as monkeys.  I can read and understand that in terms of yesterday without letting it affect with any depth what is my today. I have only rarely felt the sting of prejudice, so it is not something that I must live with every day.  Today has its own problems and its own benefits, witness this thread.    So it goes.

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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
keepinitreal

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Originally Posted by sbmom1812
JG you can call it assessing blame or whatever you want.  But we do have historical examples of what has worked better, but we choose to ignore those because it may not be politically and power wise expedient.  Look where that has gotten the poor and the minorities.  To figure a solution you have to assess what has worked and not worked.  We do have examples.  And it isnt big govt monopolizing education and it isnt big govt hand outs that enslave in poverty.


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Originally Posted by masare
KIR as you have stated in past posts...your way of handling difficulty is with your .40...which I guess means a gun? For this reason alone...I would say you are not open to a Frank. big boy discussion about anything? You are just baiting and quoting...but when an honest response emerges you insult (probably while looking at your gun). Sorry if this insults your sense of bravado. I don't mean to do that ...it is just hard to take your attempts at a discussion seriously. I wish you all the best on this glorious Sunday ( beautiful weather here in PA and the Eagles won :-)


You don't know me woman so I won't let your words let me stray from the subject of the thread.  You seem like a nice enough person but you NEVER offer anything to a thread.  Why is that? 

I have asked you to share what you know from your 'area' [philly] aka the 215, where a lot of those videos occurred.  You choose to keep it secret because you are embarrassed for your hometown, then I understand.  Don't enlighten us on philly's dirty little secret.  In philly you probably don't have much bravado on your side of the tracks.   Hilarious after looking at those videos of philly that you would chide me for bravado and my 40.

joisey had asked to have the BS stopped.  Like I have said before, if you want to muddy the waters I'll jump right in with you

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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
masare

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KIR I stand by my comments and you insult Philly which is not my hometown but I love it just the same...more of the same from you too! Have a good one!! :-)
keepinitreal

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You can stand where ever you would like to stand but would you share what you know about Philly, plz?  I know it's not your hometown but I was led to believe you adopted it.  Do the philadelphia newspapers report on the issue?
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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Originally Posted by JoiseyGuy
Hammer - Are you asking Jews to just forget about the Holocaust??  Native Americans to forget Wounded Knee and the trail of Tears?  Are you asking people of color to forget about the institution of slavery, Jim Crow, the black and white armies of WW2, Japanese internment, and the fact that laws had to be instituted only 59 years ago in our nation to declare them "equal" to white people?  I don't think that forgetting will ever happen, but then was then and now is now despite the past and sometimes because of it.       Frank
PS - My grandfather told me, "Ner forget Nina, gossoon".  I always wondered who she was until I grew old enough to read material that included the historical fact that Irish new to our country during Gramps' era often met signs that said "No Irish need apply". I have seen newspapers in which Irish are portrayed as monkeys.  I can read and understand that in terms of yesterday without letting it affect with any depth what is my today. I have only rarely felt the sting of prejudice, so it is not something that I must live with every day.  Today has its own problems and its own benefits, witness this thread.    So it goes.


Awesome post. 

I love brevity, I love when someone can put 1000 words into 250 or maybe even 100 words and the words are powerful

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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
ForeverInBlue

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JG - you miss the point.
Awareness and Understanding of the past is vitally important.
Employing that knowledge as a crutch is a recipe for failure.
keepinitreal

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I think JG sways to the apologetic side but he may have had the other eye opened.  I don't know. 

It's ok to have remorse and to 'try' to understand, why these things happen.  Sounds like the schools, the parents and society lost the chance to get it under control 10-15 or 20 years ago.  It's ok to try and gain understanding but I am now focused on being proactive vs. reactive.  masare has a problem with that.

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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
JoiseyGuy

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real - That "other eye" has been open for a long, long time.   It's been a long time since I was a Cadillac liberal and an even longer time since I was a pure conservative.  The change from Cadillac to Regular social liberal occurred when I first really disliked a black guy and realized that it had nothing to do with the color of his skin.  Became just a social liberal, not a libtard certainly, and a financial and law and order conservative. Also, my ideal government would be relatively pure of corruption, not as closely linked to the capitalistic economic system as ours is now, and would be a Republic that included certain socialist ideals that benefit the truly needy in our great nation.  Aside from that I am an overweight 80 year old former athlete with one restructured knee and the other a full replacement who really likes fastpitch softball.   More than you needed to know?   Good !!!    LOL         Frank
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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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blue - I not only did not miss the point, I've been on the now is now and then is then side forever. Mental crutches create cripples.  I'm from the "It's not how many times you get knocked down, but rather how many times you get back up" school.   However, as you note, we can certainly recognize and learn from the past.    Frank
PS - One of my favorite sayings is "The secret of success is not being dealt a good hand, but rather playing a poor hand well".

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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
keepinitreal

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joisey, I liked hearing the information, not too much.  You have lived an interesting life.  I consider you a replacement for my Dad but you can communicate.  My Dad is 78 and just hanging in there [triple bypass 9 years back, Alzheimer's]  He doesn't communicate [listen] well, never did, always lost his temper because he couldn't convey his feelings appropriately.  He loved seeing his granddaughter play softball however.  Softball possessed his soul for about 12 years, he knew NOTHING else.  He was a child in some ways when it came to seeing those 12 years of softball games.  He still catches all the college women games he can on TV.  He liked watching games that bhblue umpired

I am just the opposite of him in many ways, in that I love some verbal back and forth, depends on the person though really.

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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
bluedog

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Living in the past, or remembering the past as some call it, is an excuse to harbor prejudice and vengeance.....The Bible tells us there will be enough problems come up for today to occupy us....Let the past go and don't be concerned with the future....Solve the problems we have today....Wow, amazing how good that would work... 
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I have no idea what this conversation is about so I think I'll post a good column about Al Gore and what a charlatan he is.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/23/pruden-up-to-our-ears-in-snake-oil/
JoiseyGuy

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real - Oh my !!  So your Dad has early Alzheimers - so sad.  I have been so fortunate to still maintain most of my faculties although some subject matter material which was second nature to me at one time escapes me now and again as does some of my vocabulary.  I truly sympathize with your Dad and with you.  It is difficult enough when our bodies do what is necessary to ready themselves to release our spirituality, but to be physically able and lose the power to think rationally must be horrible.  Please be kind with your Dad and treat him as you will want to be treated when your turn comes to be in the stage he currently occupies.  Remember that he put food in your belly and a roof over your head. Sons and daughters need care and understanding, but so do Dads.   When I pitched elite men's fastpitch, I had a roomie on the road who is in the Hall of Fame.  He died recently from the results of Alzheimers. It was difficult to see and hear "the big guy" waste away mentally. Try to understand, be thankful that it's not you, and react accordingly.   Frank
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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
DietCoke

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Some thoughts on helping "disconnected youth" -

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chelsea-clinton/reclaiming-americas-youth_b_3466549.html


And Phoenix better watch out - it leads the country in the number of disconnected youths -

http://tinyurl.com/9ql7pp8

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I know he hates off-topic posts, but if there is one thing in life I'm sure of, it is that kiir comes from very good stock.  I've come to know many people during my time around softball, and have met absolutely none finer than his father and mother.  His dad never fails to have something positive to say and is true Southern gentleman whenever I'm around him.  I miss seeing them at the park.

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I believe we are all products of our up bringing.
Living up North gives other perspectives one wouldn't share Down South.
California people.....well.....LOL (bad joke)
Random and scattered thoughts.
*I do believe there is an ever expanding racial divide despite "White Guilt".
*I believe many Black people today are good decent people. That being said I believe the problem lies in that a certain segment of this race want to blame their plight in life on others. Mainly White people.
*I find it ridiculous when I hear a Black Representative/Leader complain about Black representation in Sports when in actuality close to 90 something percent of Basketball and Football Pro players are Black.
* I do not believe people will ever change. The old Zebra won't change their stripes mentality.

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rocklifter - I am torn.  Two sixteen year olds in Spokane, Washington beat an 88 year old WW2 tiny veteran man to death simply because they can.  I don't care if they are black, brown, green, white, or blue. I don't care what color he is.  I have a deep visceral response and it has nothing to do with legal justice.  I want revenge.  I want to bash in the heads of those two irresponsible and valueless and dishonorable punks with a baseball bat. I want to see their brain matter exit their craniums. I want to hear them cry for mercy.  My emotional response is primal. If I am capable of hate, I hate them. I want them to hurt and to bleed profusely.

  Intellectually I know all that's wrong, and certainly legally wrong, but my personal sense of justice cries out for revenge, not a judicial end.  It is just so difficult for me to realize and accept that sometimes the bad guys win. I guess that's why we need our system of courts, to educate folks like me.      Frank

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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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pabar - I asked this question a few pages ago, and got lambasted and told to stay away, which I am.

Further, I was accused of being ignorant, and under someone else's spell, which I am not.

Back to other threads that make some sense to me.

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I have no idea what this conversation is about so I think I'll post a good column about Al Gore and what a charlatan he is.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/23/pruden-up-to-our-ears-in-snake-oil/
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I like Dr. Ben Carson for the content of his character.
I dislike Barack Obama for the reason reason.
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If I am capable of hate,......


Joisey, you are and so am I.....The state of nature theory isn't working so well.....Mankind is born evil....The only way to resist the evil in us is to love the Creator.....In turn, we will love everyone......He will change us.....It's the only way!
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bluedog agree with you, but tell that to blacks that want to take advantage of the past.


Hammer, if only the other side would wake-up and act right......Don't you see the irony in that statement?
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bluedog - Thomas Hobbes reached the same conclusion as you did about the state of nature.  However, his solution was that mankind needed a dictator or absolute king, etc.  to dictate to the great unwashed what and how they should act, with severe penalties if they did not. His concept of man in the state of nature (been there lately?) was opposite of that of John Locke who thought that man in the state of nature was good (Mao wrote that beautiful words can be written on a clean slate).  Our founding fathers took Locke as their launching platform for the ideas that govern our nation (The Great Experiment) and for some of its institutions (like our form of elections).  "If man in the state of nature is good, then it will follow that institutions developed by man will also be good".  Sounds good on paper.      Frank
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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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bluedog - Instead of the Western concept of man being born with Original Sin and thus living a life whose purpose is to erase that sin, I personally prefer the Eastern concept of man's being born with a "Buddha Nature", an ultimate good, and the purpose of a lifetime being to seek a way (tao) to find that internal good in each man.  The end result seems to be similar, but the way and perspectives along that journey differ.    Frank 
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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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kiir-

You missed an oppunortunity when titling this thread. Should have been...

Don't Bolt On a Frank Conversation


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Originally Posted by pabar61
I have no idea what this conversation is about so I think I'll post a good column about Al Gore and what a charlatan he is.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/23/pruden-up-to-our-ears-in-snake-oil/


Pabar, did you never read your PM? I assume you did not

Bill Smith, missed opportunities are the story of my life

Mikec, you can let a thread develop before questioning it's motives. I was questioning your motive for questioning my motive. My motive by the way was to show facts that people had never informed me of and I therefore assumed there was more ignorance out there to the subject. I was indeed ignorant of what was going on and had been reported in 80 cities across this country. I think the subject needed to see daylight, if you had nothing to add to the conversation then that's ok also. I stay away from subjects also if I don't want my opinion known. To me you were trying to muzzle me before the thread developed, that may or may not have been your intent. By admitting that you "dont know what a thread is about" signals to me 'white noise'. Again, defending myself from DC, JG, dewey, masare and dinger in this thread has wore me out so I will end by saying please do not take it personal.

bhblue, thanks for the kind words, he has been in the hospital since Saturday

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Kiir - thanks, and carry on.

When I was asking that, I was getting ready to rant about msm and current admin hypocrisy, but I didn't want to hijack your thread.
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mike, I had read your posts on that subject in the past [MSM]  and really did expect you to expound in that area.  Not hijacking to me if the conversation is topic of thread, I was just trying to stay off obama and dewey, here however because this subject is bigger than those 2 can handle.  I have a lot of practice on getting threads back on topic when a certain individual gets off subject.  Plenty other avenues to bash the piss poor job done by obama, he can't lead in other areas, I know he has no idea what to do with violent mobs in our cities. 

Right off the bat, I presented a problem that I had just learned about and about 30 minutes later Joisey asked me for a solution, fair enough.  My first answer to a potential violent situation and to protect innocent Americans is to meet force with force.  Hence the National Guard, federal troops, 'martial law' answer.  First episode or two is on the house, but if a community, city, Iowa State Fair, Wisconsin State Fair is 'troubled' by heathens then there will be force involved and people may not like it but we must protect women, older Americans and the helpless.  Isn't that what the leftists are always preaching about?  We need to protect women, older Americans and the helpless from the mob violence.  If they are getting murdered in their cars like 'Shorty', shot in the head while jogging, beating people up at State Fairs in the midwest, then this country needs to be put on notice that we will not continue to tolerate it.  I know without a doubt it would be handled differently in Texas if it was an epidemic.  It surprised me very much to see in one of those clips that it happened in Dallas and I had not heard about it.  I need to wake up

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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Some powerful comments from Touré today (yes, on MSNBC) -

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-cycle/52849530#52849530


(caveat - not sure about percentages stated in the video - there are conflicting articles - but see below)

Tim Wise stats -

http://www.timwise.org/2013/08/race-crime-and-statistical-malpractice-how-the-right-manipulates-white-fear-with-bogus-data/


Kirsten Powers with some comments on Fox News over the past couple of days -

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/kirsten-powers-challenges-bill-oreilly-on-chris-lane-if-those-kids-didnt-have-a-gun/

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/foxs-kirsten-powers-does-jesse-jackson-have-to-comment-on-every-crime-in-the-country-now/


(yes, all from left-leaning sources, so criticize away.....)

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