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bhblue

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fhoenix - Are you talking about FBI whites, white-Hispanics, Hispanic-whites, or white-blacks like the Belton murderer? You don't respond do you? At least not wth less than 1,000 words.
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fhoenix - thanks for the good posts and have a safe trip.

Woody - no criminal should be excused.  But we need to get at the root cause of what causes criminal behavior because I don't think the root cause varies by race or any other grouping these days.
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pabar - Begin with economics.   Frank
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Agreed - poverty doesn't discriminate.
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At the March on Washington show today, during his speech Bill Clinton it said it should be as easy to vote as it is to buy an assault weapon.

This turnabout is actually great news for voting integrity, since ID and a background check are required to purchase an assault weapon, Clinton may be the first Dem to advocate for ID and background checks to vote. Sweet!
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What he actually said is -

We cannot be discouraged by a Supreme Court decision that said we don't need this critical provision in the Voting Rights Act because, look at the states. It made it harder for African-Americans and Hispanics and students and the elderly and the infirmed and poor working folks to vote.

What do you know? They showed up, stood in line for hours and voted anyway, so obviously we don't need any kind of law. But a great democracy does not make it harder to vote than to buy an assault weapon.

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Dag DC most posters don't like to be burdened with a stupid thing like the "truth"...it takes all the self righteous fun away!
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Why do we not have " " quotation marks around "what he actually said"?  Anyone got the quote from Clinton?
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fhoenix - have a great weekend too, and,  of course, thanks for your service.
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Clinton tried equating voting with buying an assault weapon. I highly doubt he has ever bought an assault weapon. Lol.

Anyway here is an article on how the Dems are raping MLKs legacy of accomplishment.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/degrading-the-dream-96030.html
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fhoenix

The are 2 of us of color here that post regularly (and I am only half like our president). This topic is not sincere and has no actual solution. It is on this forum because far right media responded to Sharpton by being like Sharpton and diverting the conversation of racial apathy by police in Martin case the night of the incident to the number of blacks killed each year by blacks. Basically the far right responded to this by saying "Hey...so what if we kill a few blacks....you kill more of each other). Showing that blacks kill over 90% blacks so there is a black problem.  But hey.... there must also be a white problem since whites are killed by 90% whites? Why fear blacks as a white person when you are 90% likely to be killed by a white.  So fox news, Hannity and Rush highlight the vet being killed by 2 blacks and the Australian in oklahoma that was killed by 2 blacks AND a white (Hannity talked about this and only showed pics of the 2 black teens). What about him? He is uneducated and has same issues as the 2 black teens. So could economic situation, neighborhood, and education mean more to the equation than their race?



This topic is indeed sincere, I know because I started it and I was being sincere. You mentioned the two people of color and I just heard from the other one. The most sincere and from the heart PM that I have ever received, that may include letters or emails. I have permission from LMSS to use some of her post and I may. Absolutely spellbinding. Like fhoenix said above; economic situation, neighborhood and education play a large role. These 3 things have a common thread, they are most often related to what our parents can and do provide for us, or what they don't provide to help us cope in this world. I was once scolded by jayrot when I said a child will have more success when a dad is in the 'picture'. I stand by that statement even more so today. Jayrot's argument to my statement was a reference to those kids in this country that are raised in broken families and substantiated by this nations high divorce rate. Reading LMSS's very insightful PM, there is no doubt in my mind that a father very often makes all the difference in the world in the success of a child. Of course there are examples of sorry men who become sorry fathers, but I would rather give a kid a headstart with a Dad!


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Okay - now I get it.

It makes sense to have this conversation 50 years after the "I have a dream speech".

IMO, MLK was one of the most sincere, unselfish, apolitical historical figures this country has ever known.  I truly believe that his efforts, while rightly intended to address the wrongs that were and continued to be during his time perpetrated against the black community, his overarching message was one of complete inclusion and, too often not stated, a philosophy grounded in Christianity.

I don't personally experience white guilt but, as a race, we needed to atone for our historical behavior toward our black brothers and sisters.  In 2013, I feel like racism has been pushed further to the extremes of society that it has ever been but not completely out of our world.  There are those of all stripes who benefit by keeping the dialog of racism alive where it doesn't need to be kept alive.  These are the true racists of our day.

My father disowned my sister when she married a black guy even though he was and is a great person.  That was then.  Today, I only care that my kids spend their lives with someone of character and integrity.  That is all that matters and that is what I believe 99% of the people of this country believe.
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pabar - our kids' generation even more than our less, is pretty open.  In HS, one of my daughters girlfriends was dating a black guy.  This school was about 6 miles from the school I went to.  So I asked - does that raise any eyebrows in school?  Her answer was, no  should it?

Some members, though not all, of the generation before us need to quit acting like it's 1930 and shut up.
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Today, I only care that my kids spend their lives with someone of character and integrity.  That is all that matters and that is what I believe 99% of the people of this country believe.


Nice post, pabar.  I agree with most of what you said.  I wish the above statement were true, but, sadly, I really don't think it is.  i wish we could get racism and bigotry and discrimination down to only 1% of the population, but I don't think we're there .... yet.

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DC - so you're saying that you believe there are more than 3 million racists in this country?  I'm not sure I buy that.
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Maybe a productive step in helping eliminate racial division would be for all media outlets to stop labeling and identifying everyone by race.
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DC - so you're saying that you believe there are more than 3 million racists in this country?  I'm not sure I buy that.


People who discriminate on race, sexual orientation, disabilities, religion, etc. - yes, I believe that there are more than 3 million.  And that the people they discriminate against are people with "character and integrity".

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Then that's not racism, it's prejudice.  SNOPES the difference in the two
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Then that's not racism, it's prejudice.  SNOPES the difference in the two

It's just easier to play the race card. Throw the term out there and you have carte blanche to spew whatever you want without fear of being called on the carpet.
For people to compare their problems with sexual orientation to what blacks suffered is an embarrassment and degrades what blacks went through.

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Don't know where else to put this, why not here.  Yesterday, in a suburb out of Houston; Spring, TX, a 17 YO high school student who was Hispanic, stabbed and killed a fellow student at Spring, HS.  What I heard today on the radio was that more and more 'troubled' students were being kicked out of one school and admitted to other schools, I also heard extra funding was the reason for those schools accepting those 'troubled' students.  Wow, where are we going? 

Oh yeah, the murdered student was black. They say there are racial problems that have been boiling just under the surface at that high school locale for years now

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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

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If "troubled" means gang members, then it applies here. A friend of mine is involved in the investigation and it appears to be at least the 3rd problem these players were involved in this week. It may be a self-defense case. My question is, do school districts employ people whose specific job it is to identify gang members and keep an eye/thumb on them? Prisons do and they're full of criminals. You'd think we would protect out kids in the same way.
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If it is a self defense case, get ready for Quanel.  Matter of fact, I think he has already chimed in

This guy wasn't a white Hispanic though, he was a full blown Hispanic, like my wife

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Don't know where else to put this, why not here.  Yesterday, in a suburb out of Houston; Spring, TX, a 17 YO high school student who was Hispanic, stabbed and killed a fellow student at Spring, HS.  What I heard today on the radio was that more and more 'troubled' students were being kicked out of one school and admitted to other schools, I also heard extra funding was the reason for those schools accepting those 'troubled' students.  Wow, where are we going? 

Oh yeah, the murdered student was black. They say there are racial problems that have been boiling just under the surface at that high school locale for years now



That is MY High School, but when I went to school there, the demographics were very different We carried shotguns and rifles openly in gun racks in our pickup trucks. We hunted before, and or after school. Deer were sometimes skinned and quartered on the auto shops hoist. Nobody ever thought it a problem. Everyone knew their place in school, and there were few problems. We had Kikkers, Hippies, Soul Brothers, Latinos, and a motley mix of all of the above. There were some good beat downs to be sure, but the Coaches in charge of athletics, and PE classes were the disciplinarians. God help you if you were called down to the principals office for a disciplinary problem. Your ass was his, and you would pay for bad behavior in a classroom, and or an unsatisfactory grade in conduct in the classroom. Never had a cop one patrol our school, as one was not needed. Students, and moreover, their parents were held accountable for their children's behavior, and were ostracized for failure.

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And the gangs are still killing in Chicago. 

I agree with O'reilly as much as I disagree with him but....
he just said that Rahm Emanuel is a pinhead that cannot and will not clean up his city because he doesn't want to tackle the gang problem and therefore does nothing.  He is afraid of being labeled racist if he goes after the gangs.  13 shot last night in Chicago including a 3 year old that was shot in the head.  Oreilly says the State Police or the National Guard should be called in but Rahm doesn't really want to solve the problem.  Therefore, Chicago keeps killing itself

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kiir - Sorry, but O'reilly is a pinhead when it comes to the important issues. I ignore everything he has to say. He is an establishment Republican. I couldn't care less about Chicago.
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O'Reilly has the intellectual ability of a 7th grader - except when it comes to self-promotion.
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how come our president wants to help other countries on their killing and yet stands aside in our own country.
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I agree, Oreilly is a self promoting pinhead, I can barely stand to watch him but.....  The point about Chicago is the left needs to quit being hypocrites about where the gun crime is happening.  They need to be called out on their hypocrisy at every turn and for him to blast Rahm Emmanuel as he did was ok in my book.  The gang activity and murders would not be happening if it was any city in Texas, it is happening because of who is in charge.  Same as the ills of our country because of who is in charge.
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I had tagged this post onto another thread but with all the goings on for the past week, [and my power went out just as I was sending] it's time to get the 800 pound gorilla to come out to play.  Particularly surprised by the 80 YO from Florida who jumped right on the conversation last week when the young man from Australia was brutally murdered because some thugs got bored.  Didn't hear much from him on the beatdown on the bus where the 13 YO little kid was smacked around by three other thugs.

The selective rage and selective indignation over the killing of the Australian made me wonder why so few are getting fed up with the violence in this country.  I think that joisey guy brought his thoughts to the table just so he could pop off about gun control as he sees it.  He had no contributions otherwise to the discussion of the dead Australian. 

So in the last week [mid August, 2013], the race relations in this country have really taken a beating.  Today's news uncovers the fact that a DHS employee runs a website called waronthehorizon, he calls himself the "irritated  genie".  I have seen the site and found interesting reading to say the least, nothing but hate filled racist speech.  This guy is a federal employee responsible for ammunition procurement.  WOW.  We need to quit pretending 'this stuff' is not happening out there and talk about it like it's real like we do obamacare, immigration reform or fast pitch softball. 

Now an 88 YO WW II vet has been murdered and I would like to hear, what they will blame this murder on.  He was beaten while waiting outside for his friend where he played pool 2-3 times a week'  From CNN "Belton stopped by the Eagles Lodge two or three times a week. He played pool, but by his own admission, wasn't too good at it.".  Joisey Guy has stated he is not fearful for his life because he lives in a gated community in Florida and can protect him and his wife with a baseball bat.  I guess that's ok if you want to be confined to your gated community.  Many elderly who live in this country are scared to death for their lives.  Lucky JG, he planned ahead because that baseball bat may not be available when you step out in the real world.

Some of us live out here in the real world where kids get beat up on school buses, 88 YO men get killed on the streets after surviving a bullet wound in WWII, where people get shot on the streets while jogging.  Now the conversation has led me to do a homework assignment that I gave myself.  I have found links, videos, books and discussion on what people seem to avoid on this forum alright but in society in general people are skeered to talk about.  Pat Buchanan brought it up today.  The amount of black on white crime occuring in this nation.  Now, if you are skeered to talk about it, find somewhere else to play.  I have tried telling the current moderator that there is an undercurrent of race riots in this country and he has said I exaggerate.  So he can spend his time on the gay marriage and lilly ledbetter threads, he doesn't like the truth. [but I know he is reading every single word to use against me later]




Tell me where the tip toeing occurred and look who skirted the issues raised


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Found it! Sheesh it is six pages! It's like a homework assignment. Ugh. [biggrin]
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