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EarlyGrayce

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ForeverInBlue 

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Of course, it's on record: you later referred to the Logan Act, and eventually offered this:

Fresh 

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The question was “was it illegal for Trump to direct members of his team to contact 13 foreign countries?” 
Obviously a question that has several different answers. Depends on which countries and what you say when you contact them. Be more specific, don't try to lay a trap for me. 

Is it illegal for the future foreign policy advisor to contact Russia and tell them not to worry about current administration policies and actions, better times are coming? And then tweet congratulations to Putin the following day about how smart he is to abstain from retribution. Then yes.




But not before offering this, discrediting yourself:

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Held on a minute here. The question was “was it illegal for Trump to direct members of his team to contact 13 foreign countries?” You said “yes,” referring to the Logan Act. What informed this analysis, or as you now call it, opinion? Or is your opinion wholly uniformed? And if so, why offer it? 


Don't get picky. I don't answer your questions, I give my opinions. Trying to parse words and pigeon hole my comments won't work. I believe acts have been committed by trump and the trump mafia that could invoke the Logan Act. I also think he is a liar. I also think Putin owns his soul. I also think BC never flew to pedophile island. I also believe that fastpitch softball is the best game going on right now.
Put all thos eopin ions together and you got jack. Just opinions. Their weight is determined by your responses. Must carry some weight with your degree of intent to discredit me. 

Moments ago, you posted this:

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Originally Posted by ForeverInBlue
 
I said no such thing. I said, it is illegal for the trump team to make direct contact with a foreign enemy to gather dirt on an opponent. It is my opinion that they did just that. If you must distort what I say to discredit me, you ain't got much. Be more honest.

 

Again, what did I distort? They are your own words. How is that dishonest?

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That's the sound of nervous laughter as your impeachment burger has burned to a crisp on the grill.
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Wait and see. trump is used to getting his way and bullying those that stand in the way. This will  not work on Mueller. I believe there are enough Republicans that have been able to hold on to their sense of decency to fight any effort to have Mueller removed. Watch the furor increase as  Mueller gets closer to the truth. Gingrich, initially giving his unwavering support to a man of unquestionable integrity, has already called Mueller corrupt. I hope he's able to finish his work. The trump mafia is devious.
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Mueller's impartiality is being questioned along with the people he brought on his team to do the "investigation". Wait and see what his 7 million dollar report reveals. Unless Trump is indicted, then you will have nothing but the sky to scream at. If the investigation being done by the Congressional committee turns up evidence of collusion between the Clinton Campaign and the Obama administration to use the DOJ, and the FBI to target an opposition political party, that would be an interesting development. I warned Libs about gloating on getting a special prosecutor.
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Mueller's impartiality is being questioned along with the people he brought on his team to do the "investigation". Wait and see what his 7 million dollar report reveals. Unless Trump is indicted, then you will have nothing but the sky to scream at. If the investigation being done by the Congressional committee turns up evidence of collusion between the Clinton Campaign and the Obama administration to use the DOJ, and the FBI to target an opposition political party, that would be an interesting development. I warned Libs about gloating on getting a special prosecutor.


Not gloating over anything. I see the revelations about Flynn and Popadopoulis telling. These were upper echelon campaign personnel that have admitted lying to the FBI. I have said I'll stand by the Mueller probe, regardless the outcome. If he starts to find things counter to what I think now, I, unlike the trump mafia, will not attempt to discredit the man. I will abide by his findings. Shooting the messenger is a conservative tactic, not mine.
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If a special prosecutor is appointed to look into Mueller and his appointees, and also Comey's relationship with the Clinton Foundation, Uranium One deal, and the use of the DOJ, and FBI to target political opponents, would you be OK and accept that as well?
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If a special prosecutor is appointed to look into Mueller and his appointees, and also Comey's relationship with the Clinton Foundation, Uranium One deal, and the use of the DOJ, and FBI to target political opponents, would you be OK and accept that as well?


I don't know. Depends on who and for what evidence. The current charges are a witch hunt. There are currently panels looking into these allegations, independent of Mueller. You're going to have to enlighten me on a couple of your concerns.

1) How could Comey be linked to the Clinton Foundation when his comments about reopening the email investigation created part of the reason Hillary lost the election? Wouldn't the Clinton hit squads just kill him for his actions?

2) What is there to question about the Uranium One deal? There were 9 seperate agencies involved, not just State.

3) What were the instances where the Obama? administration used DOJ and FBI to target political opponents? Don't remember those.
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I don't know. Depends on who and for what evidence. The current charges are a witch hunt. There are currently panels looking into these allegations, independent of Mueller. You're going to have to enlighten me on a couple of your concerns.

1) How could Comey be linked to the Clinton Foundation when his comments about reopening the email investigation created part of the reason Hillary lost the election? Wouldn't the Clinton hit squads just kill him for his actions?
Comey got confused when he cost Hillary the election.  Dems are nefarious but not smart.
2) What is there to question about the Uranium One deal? There were 9 seperate agencies involved, not just State.
Taking bribes while hold office.
3) What were the instances where the Obama? administration used DOJ and FBI to target political opponents? Don't remember those.
Using russian piss dossier to justify FISA warrant on your political opponents (Watergate tier). 

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1) How could Comey be linked to the Clinton Foundation when his comments about reopening the email investigation created part of the reason Hillary lost the election? Wouldn't the Clinton hit squads just kill him for his actions?

Comey got confused when he cost Hillary the election.  Dems are nefarious but not smart.
False. Comey is very smart, Try again.  Strike 1

2) What is there to question about the Uranium One deal? There were 9 seperate agencies involved, not just State.

Taking bribes while hold office.
I've never seen any evidence of bribes. Can you back that up with anything but speculation?  Strike 2

3) What were the instances where the Obama? administration used DOJ and FBI to target political opponents? Don't remember those.

Using russian piss dossier to justify FISA warrant on your political opponents (Watergate tier). 

If this were true, and nothing has substantiated your claim, most aspects of the dossier were accurate, with only the most salacious, National Enquirer type stuff unproven. Steele said it was possible, not provable.       Yet Strike 3

Send somebody with more than internet murmurings and conjecture. You have zero proof.
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Impeachment is anything but a certainty.  That said, this Administration will be known for this scandal and forever be remembered for wrongdoing of some kind.  The indictments and the guilty pleas have cemented that outcome.  The lies were probably meant to hide the wrongdoing and/or to protect certain individuals.  The wrongdoing or crime may never be discovered but a finding of no inappropriate activity by the Trump campaign or Administration is impossible.  It just couldn't be reconciled with the guilty pleas.  A finding of insufficient evidence to pursue further is a possibility.  Regardless if explanations are possible or not, the American people will always equate the lying with a cover-up of some sort.

As for looking into investigators, Democrats, Hillary, or others being accused of wrongdoing or corruption, as it relates to other events, that's always possible too.  It's irrelevant to these Mueller indictments and guilty pleas but it's possible.  The American people can rest comfortably knowing this Government, run completely by the GOP, will get to the bottom of, or at least thoroughly investigate, any of those issues should they exist.

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1) How could Comey be linked to the Clinton Foundation when his comments about reopening the email investigation created part of the reason Hillary lost the election? Wouldn't the Clinton hit squads just kill him for his actions?

Comey got confused when he cost Hillary the election.  Dems are nefarious but not smart.
False. Comey is very smart, Try again.  Strike 1 Comey helped Trump win the election. He's very smart. That's your story?

2) What is there to question about the Uranium One deal? There were 9 seperate agencies involved, not just State.

Taking bribes while hold office.
I've never seen any evidence of bribes. Can you back that up with anything but speculation?  Strike 2

3) What were the instances where the Obama? administration used DOJ and FBI to target political opponents? Don't remember those.

Using russian piss dossier to justify FISA warrant on your political opponents (Watergate tier). 

If this were true, and nothing has substantiated your claim, most aspects of the dossier were accurate, with only the most salacious, National Enquirer type stuff unproven. Steele said it was possible, not provable.       Yet Strike 3 Have you read the Steele Dossier? Which "aspects" (feel free to refer to them by number, because if you've read the dossier you know it's numbered, right?) were "accurate" and how do those prove Trump - Russian collusion? Which could be used to justify a FISA warrant?

Send somebody with more than internet murmurings and conjecture. You have zero proof.  Speaking of "proof," feel free to show us your "proof" that Trump colluded with Russia. I'm sure the NYT, WaPo, and Robert Mueller are interested as well. I'm sure the NYT, WaPo, and Robert Mueller are interested as well.


 
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Some evidence of collusion:

- Trump publicly asking Russia for help in finding Hillary emails.
- Trump Jr meeting with Russians offering dirt on Hillary.
- President Trump dragging his feet on implementing sanctions.
- Individuals pleading guilty to lying to the FBI.
- Trump fired Comey who was looking for evidence of collusion.


As for proof of collusion, that requires a "guilty" verdict by some entity or jury.  Until then, everything can only be called evidence.

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Some evidence of collusion:

- Trump publicly asking Russia for help in finding Hillary emails. If this is evidence why didn't Obama file charges? Trump *publicly* asked if Russia had emails that the entire US government was (purportedly) looking for. Good luck with that being collusion.
- Trump Jr meeting with Russians offering dirt on Hillary. It's not illegal to meet with Russians. What took place at the meeting that was illegal? Mind you, at the same time, Hillary was actually paying the Russians for dirt on Trump.
- President Trump dragging his feet on implementing sanctions. Good luck proving collusion based on how a President implements his foreign policy. 
- Individuals pleading guilty to lying to the FBI. Not remotely evidence of Trump colluding with Russia. 
- Trump fired Comey who was looking for evidence of collusion.  The FBI as an agency was looking for evidence of collusion. Firing one guy, even the director, would not, and did not, stop that investigation.


As for proof of collusion, that requires a "guilty" verdict by some entity or jury.  Until then, everything can only be called evidence. This is bizarre. Where did you get this formulation?


One last thing: Collusion is not a crime. [wave]


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You are getteing derailed. Let's cover the 3 statements. 

1) Comey helped Trump win the election. He's very smart. That's your story? Initial statement was Comey was somehow influenced by HC. My point refutes that, oowwaa  said Comey did it because he waS STUPID. i THINK HE IS SMART, JUST MISHANDLED THE wIENER EMAILS TO A GREAT DEGREE. nOBODY IN CAHOOTS WITH hc WOULD HAVE EVER DONE THAT AT THAT TIME. 

2) Stands

3) Have you read the Steele Dossier? Which "aspects" (feel free to refer to them by number, because if you've read the dossier you know it's numbered, right?) were "accurate" and how do those prove Trump - Russian collusion? Which could be used to justify a FISA warrant? 

The “dossier” is 17 memos concerning President Trump and Russia written by Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence officer, between June 20 and Dec. 13, 2016. Steele produced his memos under a contract with Fusion GPS.

The memos are written as raw intelligence, based on interviews Steele had with unidentified Russian sources (identified, for instance, as “Kremlin insider”). Raw intelligence is essentially high-grade gossip, without the expectation it would be made public unless it is further verified.

CNN reported that the FBI used information in the Steele memos to obtain approval from the secret court that oversees the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) to monitor the communications of Carter Page, who Trump had said was a key adviser on national security issues. Presumably, the FBI had verified the information before it could cite it in court. Steele had quoted an “ethnic Russian close associate” of Trump as saying Page was an intermediary in “a well-developed conspiracy of co-operation” between the Trump campaign and the Russian leadership. Page has adamantly denied any wrongdoing.

 

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You asked for evidence so some was provided.  Never expected someone on the Right to accept the evidence.  As for filing charges, evidence has to be sufficient enough to obtain a guilty verdict, be it a jury or a public opinion verdict.  We probably aren't there yet and we may never be there.
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One last thing: Collusion is not a crime. [wave]




I like John Dean's take. While the word collusion may not be used in the verbage of the law, it does describe the action. 

‘Collusion is the perfect word to cover such crimes’
John W. Dean was Richard Nixon’s White House counsel. He served a four-month sentence for his role in Watergate.

It was the fake legal analysis by Fox News in June—claiming that “collusion” with a foreign government violated no law—that prompted me to look. Surely Fox knows it fooled only fools. Collusion is the descriptive word the news media has settled on to cover many potential illegal actions by the Trump campaign, which could range from aiding and abetting (18 USC 2) to conspiracy per se (18 USC 371) to conspiring to violate several potentially applicable laws like: 18 USC 1030—fraud and related activity in connection with computers; 18 USC 1343—wire fraud; or 52 USC 30121—contributions and donations by foreign nationals. Also, 18 USC 2381—for, contrary to a widespread belief that there must be a declared war, the Justice Department as recently as 2006 indicted for “aid and comfort” to our enemies, the form of collusion better known as treason. Collusion is the perfect word to cover such crimes, pejorative and inclusive.

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dewey and pop-n-fresh are getting frantic.
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dewey and pop-n-fresh are getting frantic.


Frantic? Sitting around on a Saturday. Pretty relaxed actually. You place way too much importance on my opinions of the circle. At some point, I just know I'm going to make the one, inarguable point that makes one of you say, "you know, that might be right". Until then, in and out, blitzkrieg approach.
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dewey and pop-n-fresh are getting frantic.


They've been here all day, everyday LMAO

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"One last thing: Collusion is not a crime."


That I don't know.  I think legal minds may disagree about this statement.  That said, it boggles the mind why people keep asking "where's the evidence of collusion".  It seems a little more evidence comes out every week.  In fact, a recent poll says 2/3 of Americans believe the individuals in the Trump campaign had inappropriate dealings with Russia.  Four out of ten Republicans agree.  Public opinion has come to their verdict and I'm confident the guilty pleas helped them along.  Whether the evidence is sufficient for a legal or political penalty to be applied remains a question to be answered.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/363664-4-in-10-republicans-think-senior-trump-advisers-had-improper

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More polls by dewy, quite an obsession he has
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Roger that. Drumpf is done, dems have 2018 and 2020 in the bag. Game over, dems won. Winning looks good on them.
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hilLIARy 2016, Michelle 2024, Madonna could have beat Donald

Polls say Bernie was a loser so the DNC made him a loser

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Trump in survival mode. Mueller is building a guillotine. gop is gone. The dnc and libs are strong and are the peoples chioce. Inclusive, diverse, caring. It's really a pollster's dream.  Dewey has always been right. It is about time that dewey returned triumphant, and took a victory lap. I miss dewey.
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Yes, polls say impeachment imminent, hilLIARy won't have to visit Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.  obama greatest president ever, hilLIARy will be next to greatest, hilLIARy most qualified, Texas will turn blue, Franken is people's choice, California fires caused from lack of rain, oceans have lots of water, hurricanes are caused by global warming.  More polls please
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Polls are now saying the internets has sceerrry bad things on it.  CNN only from now on.
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