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Why lie?
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I suspect the agent told Mueller he was just joking around with his girlfriend and Mueller replied “Sorry Dude, you’re done.”


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Why lie?

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Out of context. As usual. Why be so deceitful if you think you're right?

Because the truth doesn't suit you.

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Why lie?

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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Who in Obama's DOJ requested FISA warrants in order to allow intelligence agencies to conduct surveillance on an opposing political campaign?


When we find out they are probably going to prison. And we may find out pretty soon.

Jim Jordan, who may know more than we do, has a "hunch" that Strzok, in collaboration with the Clinton campaign and Russians,  produced the "dossier" then "dressed it up" to take to the FISA court to discredit Trump's election and spy on his team. That's well beyond collusion. It's the biggest political scandal in our history. And wouldn't surprise me at all.

What's curious though, Trump could order the FISA application be disclosed to Congress. Dems would scream bloody murder over interference and obstruction, so it's possible he's waiting for due process to take it's course. He may also know that Clinton and Obama officials are being investigated (they are) and doesn't want to interfere in that aspect of the investigation, as his involvement would invite more hysterical hyperbole from the Democrats and their MSM facilitators.

As I said earlier, watch for some big moves in the coming days.
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And....
 
The judge in the Micheal Flynn case has recused himself, no reason given.

Flynn's case has been assigned to a judge appointed by... Bill Clinton.


Follow up on this, the judge, Rudolph Contreras, was appointed by Obama in 2012 as US District Judge for District of Columbia, covering of course Washington.

in 2016 Contreras was appointed to the FISA court.

Hey Woody, want to guess what comes next? 
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I would say a special prosecutor looks at the chain of evidence on the generation of the FISA warrants. If the DOJ and the FBI don’t cooperate purge and seek to get charges against the individuals that likely conspired to wiretap an opposition political campaign, then the DOJ and the FBI are labeled as biased partisan political operatives and are no longer to be considered law enforcement agencies.
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Was jr "screaming bloody murder" yesterday about his attorney client privelege in conversations with his daddy? Your characterizations of democratic reactions are dishonest. You're going to be dissappointed with the final verdict on the FISA warrant.
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So you know who requested the warrant? You know which judge signed it? You know who authorized the unmasking of Americans? Maybe you should tell us all you know.
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FISA warrant was legally issued. You guys grasp at any straw because most of your "proof" is wishful thinking. You take massive leaps of faith to support your conspiracies. If you don't trust the government, I'd suggest finding one you can. Attempting to discredit the individuals, much like you do the contrasting voices here, is intellectually dishonest. In "you", I'm speaking the collective "you", that constantly attack a few of us as people. It is a common conservative tactic that will never result in any significant change in our beliefs. You must make cogent points, not just put turd at the end of our names. 
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FISA warrant was legally issued. You guys grasp at any straw because most of your "proof" is wishful thinking. You take massive leaps of faith to support your conspiracies. If you don't trust the government, I'd suggest finding one you can. Attempting to discredit the individuals, much like you do the contrasting voices here, is intellectually dishonest. In "you", I'm speaking the collective "you", that constantly attack a few of us as people. It is a common conservative tactic that will never result in any significant change in our beliefs. You must make cogent points, not just put turd at the end of our names. 


Who requested it?

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Who is Bruce Ohr? He was stripped of his DOJ job title "Associate Deputy Attorney General". Wan't to know why he was stripped of that job title?
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I've read about Ohr. Ohr met with a reputable ally, British, intelligence operative, Steele. The Steele dossier, for the most part, has been substantiated. The trump campaign information was spot on. Only the most salacious parts, the trump sexcapades were presented as possible, not definite.      Yet.
Putin has something on trump and it's just a matter of time. Might not be sex, might be loans. Business. We'll see.

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OK, you just keep the blinders on, and see what comes out of the house committee. Dewy is whistling past the graveyard about now.
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I've read about Ohr. Ohr met with a reputable ally, British, intelligence operative, Steele. The Steele dossier, for the most part, has been substantiated. The trump campaign information was spot on. Only the most salacious parts, the trump sexcapades were presented as possible, not definite.      Yet.
Putin has something on trump and it's just a matter of time. Might not be sex, might be loans. Business. We'll see.


The air is leaking from your balloon

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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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OK, you just keep the blinders on, and see what comes out of the house committee. Dewy is whistling past the graveyard about now.


Is that all you have to refute what I said? Not very persuasive.

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Is that all you have to refute what I said? Not very persuasive.


This discredits everything you say.

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Held on a minute here. The question was “was it illegal for Trump to direct members of his team to contact 13 foreign countries?” You said “yes,” referring to the Logan Act. What informed this analysis, or as you now call it, opinion? Or is your opinion wholly uniformed? And if so, why offer it? 


Don't get picky. I don't answer your questions, I give my opinions. Trying to parse words and pigeon hole my comments won't work. I believe acts have been committed by trump and the trump mafia that could invoke the Logan Act. I also think he is a liar. I also think Putin owns his soul. I also think BC never flew to pedophile island. I also believe that fastpitch softball is the best game going on right now.
Put all thos eopin ions together and you got jack. Just opinions. Their weight is determined by your responses. Must carry some weight with your degree of intent to discredit me. 
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Silence Serf, Fresh will impart glorious wisdom of great leader of Socialist party when and if great leader desires.
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Held on a minute here. The question was “was it illegal for Trump to direct members of his team to contact 13 foreign countries?” You said “yes,” referring to the Logan Act. What informed this analysis, or as you now call it, opinion? Or is your opinion wholly uniformed? And if so, why offer it? 

I said no such thing. I said, it is illegal for the trump team to make direct contact with a foreign enemy to gather dirt on an opponent. It is my opinion that they did just that. If you must distort what I say to discredit me, you ain't got much. Be more honest.

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What is this rambling?


His girlfriend is the recipient of the text. You might expect to be able to vent to your girlfriend, but I guess not. After seeing all he had seen from trump, not surprising he thought he was a criminal. Curious what it was he actually said. Mueller would have completely removed him had he said anything really bad. Mueller knows that when dealing with the trump mafia he has to be squeaky clean or they will blanket him with false accusations. They are truly evil.

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Originally Posted by ForeverInBlue
Held on a minute here. The question was “was it illegal for Trump to direct members of his team to contact 13 foreign countries?” You said “yes,” referring to the Logan Act. What informed this analysis, or as you now call it, opinion? Or is your opinion wholly uniformed? And if so, why offer it? 

I said no such thing.  I said, it is illegal for the trump team to make direct contact with a foreign enemy to gather dirt on an opponent. It is my opinion that they did just that. If you must distort what I say to discredit me, you ain't got much. Be more honest.


I quoted you. How is that dishonest? What did I distort?

Here's another quote:

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I'm still waiting. Was this illegal, to tell flynn and whomever else to reach out to 13 countries and tell those countries to relax even if obama does something nutty before he leaves office? Yes i know flynn lied. That isn't my question. I can understand why dewfresh can't just tell me yes or no.  Was it illegal?


Yes.
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That was not my full answer and you know it.
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Of course, it's on record: you later referred to the Logan Act, and eventually offered this:

Fresh 

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The question was “was it illegal for Trump to direct members of his team to contact 13 foreign countries?” 
Obviously a question that has several different answers. Depends on which countries and what you say when you contact them. Be more specific, don't try to lay a trap for me. 

Is it illegal for the future foreign policy advisor to contact Russia and tell them not to worry about current administration policies and actions, better times are coming? And then tweet congratulations to Putin the following day about how smart he is to abstain from retribution. Then yes.




But not before offering this, discrediting yourself:

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Held on a minute here. The question was “was it illegal for Trump to direct members of his team to contact 13 foreign countries?” You said “yes,” referring to the Logan Act. What informed this analysis, or as you now call it, opinion? Or is your opinion wholly uniformed? And if so, why offer it? 


Don't get picky. I don't answer your questions, I give my opinions. Trying to parse words and pigeon hole my comments won't work. I believe acts have been committed by trump and the trump mafia that could invoke the Logan Act. I also think he is a liar. I also think Putin owns his soul. I also think BC never flew to pedophile island. I also believe that fastpitch softball is the best game going on right now.
Put all thos eopin ions together and you got jack. Just opinions. Their weight is determined by your responses. Must carry some weight with your degree of intent to discredit me. 

Moments ago, you posted this:

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Originally Posted by ForeverInBlue
 
I said no such thing. I said, it is illegal for the trump team to make direct contact with a foreign enemy to gather dirt on an opponent. It is my opinion that they did just that. If you must distort what I say to discredit me, you ain't got much. Be more honest.

 

Again, what did I distort? They are your own words. How is that dishonest?


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FIB with that repost nightmare, sending a load of salt Freshy's way.  Drink.
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Of course, it's on record: you later referred to the Logan Act, and eventually offered this:

Fresh 

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   #111 
The question was “was it illegal for Trump to direct members of his team to contact 13 foreign countries?” 
Obviously a question that has several different answers. Depends on which countries and what you say when you contact them. Be more specific, don't try to lay a trap for me. 

Is it illegal for the future foreign policy advisor to contact Russia and tell them not to worry about current administration policies and actions, better times are coming? And then tweet congratulations to Putin the following day about how smart he is to abstain from retribution. Then yes.




But not before offering this, discrediting yourself:

Fresh 

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Originally Posted by ForeverInBlue
Held on a minute here. The question was “was it illegal for Trump to direct members of his team to contact 13 foreign countries?” You said “yes,” referring to the Logan Act. What informed this analysis, or as you now call it, opinion? Or is your opinion wholly uniformed? And if so, why offer it? 


Don't get picky. I don't answer your questions, I give my opinions. Trying to parse words and pigeon hole my comments won't work. I believe acts have been committed by trump and the trump mafia that could invoke the Logan Act. I also think he is a liar. I also think Putin owns his soul. I also think BC never flew to pedophile island. I also believe that fastpitch softball is the best game going on right now.
Put all thos eopin ions together and you got jack. Just opinions. Their weight is determined by your responses. Must carry some weight with your degree of intent to discredit me. 

Moments ago, you posted this:

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Originally Posted by ForeverInBlue
 
I said no such thing. I said, it is illegal for the trump team to make direct contact with a foreign enemy to gather dirt on an opponent. It is my opinion that they did just that. If you must distort what I say to discredit me, you ain't got much. Be more honest.

 

Again, what did I distort? They are your own words. How is that dishonest?

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LOL
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That's the sound of nervous laughter as your impeachment burger has burned to a crisp on the grill.
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Wait and see. trump is used to getting his way and bullying those that stand in the way. This will  not work on Mueller. I believe there are enough Republicans that have been able to hold on to their sense of decency to fight any effort to have Mueller removed. Watch the furor increase as  Mueller gets closer to the truth. Gingrich, initially giving his unwavering support to a man of unquestionable integrity, has already called Mueller corrupt. I hope he's able to finish his work. The trump mafia is devious.
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