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Fresh

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Originally Posted by ForeverInBlue
FACT:

Hillary and DNC financed an operation for Russia to influence our election.

The media was complicit in her collusion with Russia.


Prove it. I always say my comments are opinions, you are shooting from your ass. Don Jr met with Russians. Far worse.

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Anytime somebody writes "fact", you can almost guarantee it's an opinion.  True facts rarely have to be identified as such.

Many on the Right continue with a propaganda narrative to deflect from the investigation by Mueller.  Americans can be certain of two things.  If this President or his campaign is found to have done something inappropriate, the Right will claim "authorities cheated".  If no Democrats are indicted for wrongdoing, the Right will claim "authorities cheated". 

The narrative is being set up in this manner in the event either of these outcomes result from these investigations.  These Trump followers want Americans to ignore what these investigations discover, assuming they go against the President.  This will be very difficult as all the authorities in this instance are Republicans.  Americans probably won't buy into Republicans complaining about fellow Republicans "cheating".

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     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
Not sure we must blanket all social media but when anonymous adults attack other anonymous adults on the internet, one has to wonder what chance our kids have.

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FIB posted the links.  Read them, come back with any questions.
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Anytime somebody writes "fact", you can almost guarantee it's an opinion.  True facts rarely have to be identified as such.

Many on the Right continue with a propaganda narrative to deflect from the investigation by Mueller. Is that a fact or an opinion? Americans can be certain of two things.  If this President or his campaign is found to have done something inappropriate, the Right will claim "authorities cheated". Is that a fact or an opinion?  If no Democrats are indicted for wrongdoing, the Right will claim "authorities cheated".  Is that a fact or an opinion?

The narrative is being set up in this manner in the event either of these outcomes result from these investigations. Is that a fact or an opinion? These Trump followers want Americans to ignore what these investigations discover, assuming they go against the President. Is that a fact or an opinion? This will be very difficult as all the authorities in this instance are Republicans.  Americans probably won't buy into Republicans complaining about fellow Republicans "cheating".


You lecture others on the difference between fact and opinion and then post your own diatribe as if it is all factual.  Hypocrite.

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There is a big difference between making a mistake and breaking laws. Clinton was the victim of a vicious propaganda campaign that had no basis in reality. It merely points up that state of Republicans and conservatives in America--who now, because they are on the wrong side of most issues--have come to rely on disinformation campaigns to win elections--most recently with the help of Russian bots on social media. To hear Donald Trump, a deeply unethical and corrupt man, go around and stoke up redneck crowds with the "lock her up" chant was deeply disturbing--disturbing because it was all complete nonsense, and because we have a large group of people in America who are quite clearly not smart enough to recognize that they are being played---fed a bunch of BS. But a lot of people react viscerally to politicians and don't do a lot of real thinking. Disinformation is the GOP playbook nowadays--that's what all this nonsense about the FBI is, more conspiratorial BS. The Nunes memo was a joke--a dud. It was a transparent effort by a biased committee chairman (Nunes)--a man who'd already been exposed a chump months ago for collaborating with the White House--to cast aspersions on the Trump investigation, as if all we've learned about the Trump and the Russians is a fantasy and not reality. The reality is that Trump is corrupt and has been compromised by Russian money that has propped up his business--fact. 

https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-inc-podcast-money-laundering-and-the-trump-taj-mahal?utm_campaign=sprout&utm_medium=social&utm_source=

On another topic, Rebekkah Mercer, the wealthy heiress who, with her father, financed the creation of Breitbart, has a column in today's WSJ in which she claims to have supported Trump because she believed "his promises to clean up corruption on both sides of the aisle" in Congress. One has to laugh at her naivety and stupidity: what planet is she living on? Not this one. Ms. Mercer isn't very perceptive. Trump is a deeply corrupt man. The idea that he is going to clean up corruption is one of the funniest things I've ever heard. Mercer pere has stopped funding Brietbart, but Ms. Mercer continues to do so--though now she seems unhappy to be associated with a white supremacist site. She's now blaming Bannon for the site's orientation, but fails to note that the site has been around for a few years and she didn't seem to have a problem with it until now when her reputation is taking a well-deserved beating. 




Why did you leave out she stayed in California campaigning, a sure lock for her to win, and failed to appear in Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Michigan? The democrats in these blue wall states elected Trump, sorry about your luck.

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TheNarrator

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Because dems (at least here) are somehow under the impression that winning the popular vote means something.
ForeverInBlue

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Prove it. I always say my comments are opinions, you are shooting from your ass. Don Jr met with Russians. Far worse.


This is a joke, right? It’s been reported by every major media outlet, including NYT, WaPo, and CNN. Are they all shooting from their ass too? Go ahead and run with that. [rofl]
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Let's test my opinion.  I believe it's rather accurate.

How many on the Right don't feel the Mueller investigation is unfair?

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     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
Not sure we must blanket all social media but when anonymous adults attack other anonymous adults on the internet, one has to wonder what chance our kids have.

 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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Originally Posted by Will_I_Wynn
Let's test my opinion.  I believe it's rather accurate.

How many on the Right don't feel the Mueller investigation is unfair?




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Let's test my opinion.  I believe it's rather accurate.

How many on the Right don't feel the Mueller investigation is unfair?


I suggest that nobody answer this until it comes from Dewey.

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What is a 'Trump follower'?

 These Trump followers 

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Let’s test his opinion.

How many on the left don’t feel the Mueller Investigation is unfair?

[rofl]

Who constructs a question like that?
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Originally Posted by Will_I_Wynn
Let's test my opinion.  I believe it's rather accurate.


All evidence to the contrary concerning the following:

- Blue Wall
- Dems Senate chances in 2016
- Hillary Clinton
- Hastert Rule
- Debt vs. Deficit
- Where spending bills originate

Feel free to add on
pabar61

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Let’s test his opinion. How many on the left don’t feel the Mueller Investigation is unfair? [rofl] Who constructs a question like that?


Someone who thinks he's more clever than everyone else.

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keepinitreal

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This is a joke, right? It’s been reported by every major media outlet, including NYT, WaPo, and CNN. Are they all shooting from their ass too? Go ahead and run with that. [rofl]


Duaine O says fake news is simply journalists doing their jobs, we wouldn't, or we fail to, understand.  If freshyturd hasn't read it himself, it didn't happen.  Don't fall for the trolling

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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
Will_I_Wynn

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"It’s been reported by every major media outlet, including NYT, WaPo, and CNN."

My understanding is our ally reported his findings to the FBI in order to protect the US from potential espionage.  Who is reporting he did it to influence an election?  I'd like to read that.

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     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
Not sure we must blanket all social media but when anonymous adults attack other anonymous adults on the internet, one has to wonder what chance our kids have.

 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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Of course the Mueller investigation is not unfair.  It's a law we use to investigate wrongdoing in our nation.  It's not unusual for those under investigation to cry foul.  It happens every day.
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     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
Not sure we must blanket all social media but when anonymous adults attack other anonymous adults on the internet, one has to wonder what chance our kids have.

 Trump should be honest with the American people.


uwApoligist

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The information was given to Steele by Blumenthol.  HRC/DNC/Fusion paid Russians $100k for dirt on Trump.

Linky dinks vv   I await your unread response.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/devin-nunes-is-investigating-me-heres-the-truth/2018/02/08/cc621170-0cf4-11e8-8b0d-891602206fb7_story.html?utm_term=.10277b583e04

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/clinton-campaign-dnc-paid-for-research-that-led-to-russia-dossier/2017/10/24/226fabf0-b8e4-11e7-a908-a3470754bbb9_story.html?utm_term=.664c42a49905

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uwApoligist

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Mueller officially gave up collusion.  Only 2 whack jobs I know even continue to pretend that is happening.

He is on a long stretch of Trump obstruction, but that has fallen apart as well.  

Someone should do Mueller a favor and end his nightmare for him.

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Will_I_Wynn

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"Mueller officially gave up collusion."

Who reported this?  Where do you get your information?

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     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
Not sure we must blanket all social media but when anonymous adults attack other anonymous adults on the internet, one has to wonder what chance our kids have.

 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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"It’s been reported by every major media outlet, including NYT, WaPo, and CNN."

My understanding is our ally reported his findings to the FBI in order to protect the US from potential espionage.  Who is reporting he did it to influence an election?  I'd like to read that.


“Our ally” - does this mean Steele? Who lied to the FBI? Who the FBI refused to pay? Who has gone into hiding? Who is the subject of a Senate criminal referral to the DOJ?

Or one of his Russian “informants?”

“His findings” - does this refer to allegations that the FBI told the American public were unverified and salacious?

“to influence election” - is anyone on the left aware of how and why candidates use opposition research?

Hint - to influence elections.

[rofl]

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Again, who is reporting that Steele tried to influence our election?
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     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
Not sure we must blanket all social media but when anonymous adults attack other anonymous adults on the internet, one has to wonder what chance our kids have.

 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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Of course the Mueller investigation is not unfair.  It's a law we use to investigate wrongdoing in our nation.  It's not unusual for those under investigation to cry foul.  It happens every day.


What’s telling is republicans originated the investigation.

I certainly don’t remember a special prosecutor for the IRS when they directly and intentionally targeting conservative groups.
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Again, who is reporting that Steele tried to influence our election?


He was hired to do opposition research. Oppo is used to influence elections.

Ergo...
Will_I_Wynn

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"I certainly don’t remember a special prosecutor for the IRS when they directly and intentionally targeting conservative groups."

If those charges are true, or if those charges warrant an investigation, why doesn't this GOP Attorney General appoint a special counsel now?  I think this is just another GOP false accusation to spin a narrative.  A mistake was made and apparently nothing more needed to be done.  If I'm wrong, explain why this GOP Administration is doing nothing to investigate.

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     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
Not sure we must blanket all social media but when anonymous adults attack other anonymous adults on the internet, one has to wonder what chance our kids have.

 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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"He was hired to do opposition research."

You said everyone was reporting he tried to influence an election.  I wanted to read a couple of those but I now believe you were stretching the truth a bit.

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A gullible nation is a vulnerable nation.  Challenge what you read on the internet.  Our nation's security is in our hands.  Don't be duped by misinformation.

The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.


     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
Not sure we must blanket all social media but when anonymous adults attack other anonymous adults on the internet, one has to wonder what chance our kids have.

 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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"He was hired to do opposition research."

You said everyone was reporting he tried to influence an election.  I wanted to read a couple of those but I now believe you were stretching the truth a bit.


No, I didn’t say that.

You’re stretching your credulity beyond it’s breaking point.
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The US government settled with the conservative groups were targeted by the obama Administration IRS
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Dense Dewey - FusionGPS paid Steele.  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_GPS

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The US government settled with the conservative groups were targeted by the obama Administration IRS

Additionally one could imagine a world where Dems suppressed these investigations at the FBI for their own political gain. 

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