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The only thing you should be embarrassed for is being a liberal lemming who doesn't understand that the FISA Court was used against Americans for political gain.  You did score some Democrat points for your anti White statement.  The Democrat Party is anti White and yet they and you demonstrate your hypocrisy by calling others racist.  Your comment about rural Americans getting screwed by Republicans is laughable in light of what Democrats do to people of the inner city.  Of course you've drank the kool aid and so, you are unable to think as your post demonstrates.  


Is Carter Paige an integral part of the trump team or not? If not, how does a FISA warrant infringe on trump's rights? Low level aides wouldn't be the target of such an action. If he is, you must own his transgressions. He is a Russian agent. If you don't want investigators crawling through your business, don't keep hanging out with Russian businessmen and agents. That is a sure way to get yourself the object of surveillance. 
Racism comes from one of the base trump promises. A pointless wall that serves as a symbol for separatism from our brown neighbors. It doesn't stop the really bad guys, just the common man and woman trying to find a better life here. It doesn't really stop them, just makes it more difficult. In the end, the wall is symbolic of racism. Pure and simple.

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Is Carter Paige an integral part of the trump team or not? If not, how does a FISA warrant infringe on trump's rights? Low level aides wouldn't be the target of such an action. If he is, you must own his transgressions. He is a Russian agent. If you don't want investigators crawling through your business, don't keep hanging out with Russian businessmen and agents. That is a sure way to get yourself the object of surveillance. 
Racism comes from one of the base trump promises. A pointless wall that serves as a symbol for separatism from our brown neighbors. It doesn't stop the really bad guys, just the common man and woman trying to find a better life here. It doesn't really stop them, just makes it more difficult. In the end, the wall is symbolic of racism. Pure and simple.

The 4th amendment protects against these state actions.  It does not say if you are Drumpf you have no rights.  Add in the fact that it is the opposition fricking political party and this rises to the level of watergate. 

Two things are now clear.  When Page interacted with Russians he was under the direction of the FBI and CIA.  They were running a sting. That sting petered out.  It is also clear that they concluded their investigation into Page, which is what led him to working with them in the first place, and found zero to be concerned about.  

We will see when the FISA warrant details start to surface.  

The wall is a valid and justifiable security measure.  80% of America agree additional border security is required.  Most do not like the Democrat approach of ignoring the accepted rule of law when the Democrats have their sanctuary cities and sanctuary states.

Today we learn that Comey left out a meeting in his testimony, the meeting which Rice refers to in her bizarre letter.   Also we learn that Comey wrote in a memo in December 2017 that he believed there was no evidence that Flynn intentionally misled the FBI (the requirement for the statute). 

For now we have the Dem memo slowing making it's way through the process.  Will land like a soft turd.   Then the IG report.  That may be a major bombshell. 

As they say, let's see what they say.

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The media is ignoring ties between the Clinton campaign and Russians

"While the media is filled with stories and theories about Trump’s interactions — or lack thereof — with Russia, not enough attention is being paid to revelations about pro-Hillary Clinton operatives’ use of opposition research that ostensibly came from Russia. With the Democrats unable to govern and lacking much of an affirmative agenda, they want Russia to be the story. Yet with each passing day, more seems to be revealed that not only undercuts the absolute faith Democrats have in the Trump-Russia collusion narrative but also demonstrates just how much they did and how far they were willing to go to establish an improper or embarrassing link between Trump and Russia."

http://archive.is/UJJaA#selection-1327.0-1327.68

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The 4th amendment protects against these state actions.  It does not say if you are Drumpf you have no rights.  Add in the fact that it is the opposition fricking political party and this rises to the level of watergate. Opposition party was mentioned in the warrant.

Two things are now clear.  When Page interacted with Russians he was under the direction of the FBI and CIA.  Not true. They were running a sting. Not true. That sting petered out.  It is also clear that they concluded their investigation into Page, which is what led him to working with them in the first place, and found zero to be concerned about.  Much to be concerned about, many meetings with Russians and a clear fondnesas for the leaders.

We will see when the FISA warrant details start to surface.  True.......maybe.

The wall is a valid and justifiable security measure.  80% of America agree additional border security is required. I'm one of those 80%, just not a stupid, archaic, symbolic wall.  Most do not like the Democrat approach of ignoring the accepted rule of law when the Democrats have their sanctuary cities and sanctuary states.

Today we learn that Comey left out a meeting in his testimony, the meeting which Rice refers to in her bizarre letter. Where did you find this?  Also we learn that Comey wrote in a memo in December 2017 that he believed there was no evidence that Flynn intentionally misled the FBI (the requirement for the statute). Where did you find this?

For now we have the Dem memo slowing making it's way through the process.  Will land like a soft turd.   The pubes on the intelligence committee thought it was all right, what objections could trump have? He has already ignored the IC opinion in the past. 
Then the IG report.  That may be a major bombshell. Might not turn out like you think. I anxiously await the report.......and Mueller's.

You never answered my question about WAPO stating voter ID would effectively stop Russians from interfering with our voting process. I've looked everywhere, can't find such a comment. 

As they say, let's see what they say.

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What political gain was had exactly? You won. Your morally vacant and now clearly misogynist president is creating chaos every day, thank you. 

And shouting labels at white people??!!! who have a different opinion than you, and using a slur against your opposition party WHO LOST the election. BTW This is like the Sooners or the Astros ranting against the losing softball team  or the umpires in last years WCWS or in the World Series FOR OVER A YEAR. Obsessed.

What does it accomplish but more chaos and division.

Oh I forgot the idea of old men being wise role models for the next generation is dead.

Hey Terp why don’t you stick to your mudslinging attacks on the Maryland program and any an all male fast pitch coaches.

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Carter Page didn’t do anything wrong. I’ve been saying for a while that the Obama / Brennan / Yates / Rice criminal cartel targeted him to get access inside the Trump camp. It doesn’t matter that he had already already left the campaign. They got access to all his stored data, plus two hops out - including everyone on Trump’s team.

Remember all those unmasking requests? Remember how Obama opened up widespread access to collected intelligence just before leaving office?

Obama’s fingerprints are all over the weaponization of the intelligence community to attack a political opponent.

It’s only a matter of time before the OIG and Congress zero in on - and expose - these high crimes against our country.
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You really are an awful person and horrible role model. I have not supported BLM, and I am an American whose father was a POW who gave his health up for this country to fight against our enemies. I am an independent BTW who recently signed up as a Dem to vote in primaries. And it is Democratic party, Mr. grammar, so-called teacher, too.

So stop spouting this crap you spout as stereotypes. My father is a Republican with hundreds of more manners than you in dealing with the next generation. Stop coaching women and girls and go off somewhere else where you can spout your crap without bothering the next generation.

Your guy has the contacts with the Commies, not me.

It is FISA court and you are a spy if you are in there, so the rest of our 4th amendment rights are fine, thank you.
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 This is like the Sooners or the Astros ranting against the losing softball team  or the umpires in last years WCWS or in the World Series FOR OVER A YEAR. 


The Astros don't rant and bi1tch, Terps do

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Your guy has the contacts with the Commies, not me.

It is FISA court and you are a spy if you are in there, so the rest of our 4th amendment rights are fine, thank you.


“Contacts with the commies?”

Seriously? What commies? [rofl]

That level of insight apparently informs your knowledge of FISA and 4A as well, not to mention Carter Page’s situation.

Are you even aware he worked with the FBI to help expose a Russian spy in 2013, and as of 2016 he was listed as a witness in that case, before the Russian pleaded guilty.

Are you aware that Page has been charged with nothing?

Are you aware that the DOJ and FBI under Obama misrepresented information on their fisa application?

Are you aware that the Obama admin previously weaponized intelligence services to spy on *Congress?* That Brennan admitted as much, and apologized. The man belongs in prison.

No, our 4th amendments rights are not fine. They haven’t been fine for a long time. But how would you know?You think Russia is communist.
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"Are you aware that Page has been charged with nothing?"

This is a point the Right seems to completely ignore.  They constantly state how Democrats are going to be charged and convicted.  They constantly claim this or that Democrat is a criminal about to go down.  Why not wait until somebody is actually convicted before announcing to the world such and such Democrat is going to jail?  Why not wait until somebody is at least arrested?  When time passes and no Democrat is indicted then all we are left with is the Right complaining how their guys go down and the Left gets away with it.  Why make claims before the fact? 

If and when no Democrat is indicted, it only demoralizes the Right and makes them appear to be a "wolf crying" crowd that has become blinded to the facts.  These high hopes must be gut wrenching when they fail to materialize.  It might be more rewarding if the Right would wait until an arrest actually comes down and then spike the ball in the end zone.  Just a thought.

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     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
Not sure we must blanket all social media but when anonymous adults attack other anonymous adults on the internet, one has to wonder what chance our kids have.

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Freshkrieg and Terp coming strong.

They Still can’t believe trump is president

Edit to add: dewylie still beating that drum. Points for consistency!
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Opposition party was mentioned in the warrant.
That matters none.  Warrant reason better be 100% rock solid or Americans will hang the partisan traitors in the FBI that attempted this coup.   Seems is based on Page who was spy for FBI and Steele Dossier which HRC paid Russian spies for the information.  If that is true, we have day of the rope for them.

Not true.
True

Not true.
True
Much to be concerned about, many meetings with Russians and a clear fondnesas for the leaders.
muh Russia, muh Drumpf.  Much salt, few words.  You are getting better and making my day.
True.......maybe.
Definitely

I'm one of those 80%, just not a stupid, archaic, symbolic wall. 
 Where did you find this?
Foxnews it is their splash headline today. Keep up
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/14/susan-rices-inauguration-day-email-raises-new-questions-for-comey.html
Where did you find this?
Washington Examiner.  Was a major headline over the weekend.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-comey-told-congress-fbi-agents-didnt-think-michael-flynn-lied/article/2648896
Both very good articles


The pubes on the intelligence committee thought it was all right, what objections could trump have? He has already ignored the IC opinion in the past.
It went to the FBI and they redacted the crap out of it.  So it went back to the Dems for a rewrite.  Dems are sitting on it.  


You never answered my question about WAPO stating voter ID would effectively stop Russians from interfering with our voting process. I've looked everywhere, can't find such a comment. 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/02/13/when-we-talk-about-russian-meddling-what-do-we-actually-mean/?utm_term=.b6e98b29664c
See the section "Hacking voter rolls and Systems"


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Only commie I come into contact are the commies posting here.
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"Are you aware that Page has been charged with nothing?"

This is a point the Right seems to completely ignore.  They constantly state how Democrats are going to be charged and convicted.  They constantly claim this or that Democrat is a criminal about to go down.  Why not wait until somebody is actually convicted before announcing to the world such and such Democrat is going to jail?  Why not wait until somebody is at least arrested?  When time passes and no Democrat is indicted then all we are left with is the Right complaining how their guys go down and the Left gets away with it.  Why make claims before the fact? 

If and when no Democrat is indicted, it only demoralizes the Right and makes them appear to be a "wolf crying" crowd that has become blinded to the facts.  These high hopes must be gut wrenching when they fail to materialize.  It might be more rewarding if the Right would wait until an arrest actually comes down and then spike the ball in the end zone.  Just a thought.


Utterly unaware of how it’s *the left* crying Trump collusion! Conspiracy! Russia! Obstruction! Treason! much louder than the right.

Every line of this post speaks to the entire leftist movement since Clinton lost to Trump.

And then there’s:

“If he’s in FISA he’s a spy. “ - Terp

[rofl]
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Donald Trump asked for Russia's help in a speech.  His son met with Russians who supposedly had dirt on Hillary.  Other members of the campaign met with Russians.  There is lots of evidence of possible collusion by the Trump campaign.  That said, few members on the Left are suggesting Donald Trump is going down for collusion.  We are willing to wait for the special counsel report before we call anyone a criminal. 
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     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
Not sure we must blanket all social media but when anonymous adults attack other anonymous adults on the internet, one has to wonder what chance our kids have.

 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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Trump asking for Hillaries email still slays everyone.  The fact you bring up as serious allegations makes it that much more fun.  Even your fellow Dems have to laugh at that one.
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An ally of ours goes to the FBI because he thinks our Democracy may be in danger from Russian espionage or interference.  Witnessing the Right spinning the FBI investigation as some kind of attempt to take down a Donald Trump campaign is equally hilarious to the Left.  Red team, blue team I suppose.
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     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
Not sure we must blanket all social media but when anonymous adults attack other anonymous adults on the internet, one has to wonder what chance our kids have.

 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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Donald Trump asked for Russia's help in a speech.  His son met with Russians who supposedly had dirt on Hillary.  Other members of the campaign met with Russians.  There is lots of evidence of possible collusion by the Trump campaign.  That said, few members on the Left are suggesting Donald Trump is going down for collusion.  We are willing to wait for the special counsel report before we call anyone a criminal. 


Since you always knew what Obama meant, I'm sure you'll completely agree with an explanation that Trump was being completely facetious when he asked for Russia's help.

Hillary also solicited their help by the way.  There is actually more evidence of that than there is of Trump-Russia collusion. 

Trump-Russia collusion has been investigated for a year with nothing to show for it.  Why do you think that is?

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Whether Trump was joking or not, he may have received the help he asked for.  As for who has been charged and who has not, it's been many years and still no indictment of Hillary, Obama, or Lois Lerner.  Why do you think that is?
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     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
Not sure we must blanket all social media but when anonymous adults attack other anonymous adults on the internet, one has to wonder what chance our kids have.

 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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Whether Trump was joking or not, he may have received the help he asked for.  As for who has been charged and who has not, it's been many years and still no indictment of Hillary, Obama, or Lois Lerner.  Why do you think that is?


We're not talking about them.

Nothing has come from the Trump-Russia collusion discussion.  You're trying to create something out of nothing when there is actually something to investigate with regard to Hillary/Fusion GPS/Sidney Blumenthal.

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"You're trying to create something out of nothing when there is actually something to investigate with regard to Hillary/Fusion GPS/Sidney Blumenthal."

Red team, blue team.

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     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
Not sure we must blanket all social media but when anonymous adults attack other anonymous adults on the internet, one has to wonder what chance our kids have.

 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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My thinking is Mr. Mueller will conclude the Trump campaign did work with Russians to defeat Hillary Clinton but collusion is not a crime.  I think most Americans believe similar right now.  He may also report there is not enough convincing evidence to support filing a criminal charge.
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     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
Not sure we must blanket all social media but when anonymous adults attack other anonymous adults on the internet, one has to wonder what chance our kids have.

 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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See the section "Hacking voter rolls and Systems"

Nothing there saying we would be safer from Russian intervention with tougher voter ID laws.

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Since you always knew what Obama meant, I'm sure you'll completely agree with an explanation that Trump was being completely facetious when he asked for Russia's help. I did at the time, but have to question it now. I believe he would do anything to get what he wants. Period. 

Hillary also solicited their help by the way.  There is actually more evidence of that than there is of Trump-Russia collusion. Can you provide 1 document or piece of evidence that Hillary personally solicited help from the Russians? Of course not. 

Trump-Russia collusion has been investigated for a year with nothing to show for it.  Why do you think that is? How do you know this? Have you seen the Mueller evidence he has collected. 2 trumpies pled guilty, 0 Clinton aides. trump is also behaving very oddly for someone that is innocent. Innocent people welcome investigetion to clear them. They don't hire people and then accuse them of being crooked. Can't believe you can support such actions. 

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See the section "Hacking voter rolls and Systems"

Nothing there saying we would be safer from Russian intervention with tougher voter ID laws.


Voter rolls in 21 states were targeted.  

One obvious attack on voter rolls would be to flood an area with illegal immigrants and have them vote.  Of course.  So voter id should be deployed to defend this expected attach on our elections.

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Whether Trump was joking or not, he may have received the help he asked for.  As for who has been charged and who has not, it's been many years and still no indictment of Hillary, Obama, or Lois Lerner.  Why do you think that is?



Her servers were off line when he made this statement. 

You have never explained HOW the Russians hacked archived servers that weren't hooked up to anything. Still waiting for your explanation......

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Voter rolls in 21 states were targeted.  

One obvious attack on voter rolls would be to flood an area with illegal immigrants and have them vote.  Of course.  So voter id should be deployed to defend this expected attach on our elections.


That is not what they said. Another lost 20 minutes running down a oowwaa rat hole to nowhere. You are apparently delusional. 

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Trump is a sap for Putin. Russian kleptocrats have laundered money through Trump properties for years. I'm quite sure the Mueller team will show and prove that. Without Russian money Trump wouldn't have a business--or it would be a helluva lot smaller than it is. His sons have each said in the recent past that they were getting most of their money/investments from Russia. Trump and Kusher did business in NYC with Felix Sater--a Russian-born mobster/convicted felon with high-level contacts in Moscow. Sater, who has served time in prison and been indicted for securities fraud, worked with the Trump organization for a decade---yet when Trump has been asked about him the last couple of years Trump pretends not to know who he is. Laughable. Trump has been compromised, deeply, by Russian money: that is why he slobbers over the dictator who runs Russian, refuses to ask U.S. agencies to counter Russian hacking, refuses to enact sanctions on Russia passed by our Congress (and introduced by Republicans), etc. He's been lying all along about Russia--but then Trump lies about everything. The man is completely unethical and corrupt--refuses to comply with conflict of interest laws and protocols, etc. Flynn and Kushner and Manafort--also compromised by Russian money. Flynn took money from the Russian state TV network. He's corrupt--and Trump appointed him as his national security advisor! Putin must have thought he hit the jackpot with Trump! Who needs spies when you've got the U.S. president--an ignorant sleaze who needs your money for his business--in your pocket!?

Kushner is the same--he was desperate for Russian money himself because his company's $1 billion + purchase of 666 Fifth Ave. in NYC is bowing under a tremendous debt load. Kushner is deeply untrustworthy--a baby-faced sleaze. His dad served time in prison. Recall that just after the election, before the inauguration, U.S. intelligence officials caught him proposing to the Russian ambassador that a secret communications line be set up between the White House and the Kremlin. Can you imagine? At the same time, the Russian ambassador introduced Kushner to the head of a major state Russian bank. Why? Because Kushner's company needs the money. I'm quite sure we Americans--conservatives and progressives, Republicans and Dems--don't want a president and top White House officials who are completely vulnerable to blackmail by Putin, because Putin could seriously damage Trump's business by having his cronies pull money out of Trump properties. Trump is dirty--corrupt. He was told that Porter was a wife-beater and didn't care--hired him anyway. Why? Because Trump has assaulted women himself. And on it goes....

Pence is an interesting character, no? He's a christian crazy right out of the 18th century--our own Cotton Mather, a man who, if he could, would bring back the Salem witch trials and scarlet letters for women. You'd think he'd be appalled by Trump--but he's a complete sycophant. He could help bring Trump down and become president, but he doesn't seem to want to do that and, as a result, will probably end up going down with Trump. 

https://www.thenation.com/article/who-is-felix-sater-and-why-is-donald-trump-so-afraid-of-him/



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Wow, those are some fascinating conspiracies you’ve got there. It’s almost as if you’re Hillary Clinton herself!
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