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Fresh

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Interested in comments on this video.

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yup!
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Of course she does, not to mention being bull strong so she really is the exception rather than the rule.  Her power reminds me of Danielle Lawrie's power of the rubber.
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I see a continuation of her forward momentum. Her leap creates the pivot foot ground contact, but no second point of impetus......just a continuation and probably her drive foot would end up in the same place. I doubt there would be any loss if she were to drag legally. We hounded her about it when she played for us, but I don't think she was encouraged to change in practice.
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Stevie Wonder could see that.
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Yes
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Actually, from this video, more often than not she drags her toe.  So this is pretty refreshing.  Not that I care, the ever so slight leap (if you wanna go with that) is not giving her an advantage.  She just mows your hitters down regardless.  Get off her S@!T already.  
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She's illegal big time. So maybe we give her only 2 strikes now?? No big deal right? So what you say when it's getting called in OKC?
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I don't think an advantage is gained if the ball is in the process of coming out of the hand when the foot lands. If you land and the ball is at the top of your arm swing you're gaining an advantage in my opinion. Your forward momentum will push your body further toward home cutting that distance and MAY allow you to push off.
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I am defending her! I get tired of the constant claims of replant. I could use other pitchers, but she seems most maligned here. Most pitchers are NOT essentially throwing from a shorter distance than they are supposed to.
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Way out of my depth to express an opinion, so I won't, but this thread is going to be fun to follow.  [smile] 
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I am defending her! I get tired of the constant claims of replant. I could use other pitchers, but she seems most maligned here. Most pitchers are NOT essentially throwing from a shorter distance than they are supposed to.



If you're tired of the constant claims of replant, she should stop constantly replanting.

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I will also say on some of these views she looks to be close or out of the lane.
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Way out of my depth to express an opinion, so I won't, but this thread is going to be fun to follow.  [smile] 



When post-season gets here, there is a 100% chance coaches of other schools will discuss this ahead of time so as to make sure the umpires know people are watching to see if they do their jobs.

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I will also say on some of these views she looks to be close or out of the lane.


It's not the "out of lane" portion of the rule where she is illegal IMO. The rule says if that foot leaves the ground, bears weight when it comes down, and the ball is still in the pitcher's hand ... that's an illegal replant. With her pitching motion, the only way it's legal is if the foot/toe drags and does not actually leave the ground. It does drag sometimes, and leaves the ground sometimes.

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Stop biatchin.  It was mentioned last year, but nowhere near as much this season.  Why?  Cause she wasn't as successful.  But now that she is having a nice season, here come all the experts.  If you think that small "leap/drag" is what makes her so dominant, then put down that pipe people.  It leads to nowhere.. especially that Bama cat.
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In the first portion of the video it looks to me that she is replanting outside the lane which is a huge benefit for the screw ball... so, illegal on two counts.  And, whether or not the replant  provides an advantage is beside the point, isn't?
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So let me get this straight.

The pitch is illegal but since she doesn't gain an advantage then there should be no penalty? Then change the damn rule.

To say it has no effect on the game because she doesn't gain an advantage is one-sided.

Because for every illegal pitch, a ball is awarded to the batter, those ball calls can lead to base on balls, and subsequently to free bases. That's simply if she doesn't make a change to make the pitch legal. If she does that, does it become a mental thing where she has to concentrate on keeping the pitch legal? Does that cause her to be just a smudge less effective, can good to great hitters take advantage of that drop in effectiveness?


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The leap is as obvious as it comes. The replant is pretty clear. All you have to do is pause it at 0:20 to see that she has replanted and her weight is on that back leg as she replanted with the ball still firmly in her hand.

It's illegal as the day is long; they're not going to call it; and we all need to move on.

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Stop biatchin.  It was mentioned last year, but nowhere near as much this season.  Why?  Cause she wasn't as successful.  But now that she is having a nice season, here come all the experts.  If you think that small "leap/drag" is what makes her so dominant, then put down that pipe people.  It leads to nowhere.. especially that Bama cat.



Of course the complaining is because of her enormous success. Don't think anyone would suggest otherwise. The thread is not "whether" it is what makes her dominant. There is a rule. She often breaks the rule and should get called for it, period. As far as "it leads to nowhere" ... hmm.  Actually it might lead to somewhere and that is what you all wanting to sweep it under the rug are worried about.

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So let me get this straight. The pitch is illegal but since she doesn't gain an advantage then there should be no penalty? Then change the damn rule. To say it has no effect on the game because she doesn't gain an advantage is one-sided. Because for every illegal pitch, a ball is awarded to the batter, those ball calls can lead to base on balls, and subsequently to free bases. That's simply if she doesn't make a change to make the pitch legal. If she does that, does it become a mental thing where she has to concentrate on keeping the pitch legal? Does that cause her to be just a smudge less effective, can good to great hitters take advantage of that drop in effectiveness?



Exactly. None of us knows for sure whether it gives her an advantage. That is irrelevant to the issue of enforcing the rules.

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Alright, the horse is dead.  I'll let you ladies fight over this.
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Boy, these rules are fair weather.   The rule will NOT be enforced.  So shut the front door and just hit the pitch.  With these juiced bats, bases being so dam close that a routine grounder is bang bang, 190 foot fences, moving the rubber back to 43, and chitty umps, you guys are complaining about the 1 of many pitchers that have a leap?  Just so happens that pitcher is having a historic season.   I just see a lot of whine and hate.  See you in OKC, cause if they make it, I'll be there.  
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For everyone saying nothing will be done or the horse is dead ... If I've learned one thing from the pos lying bag of wind that is in the white house, it's not to be deterred. Those who remain relentless and keep on keepin are much more likely to get what they wish for than those defeatists who assume from the jump nothing will happen or change.

Look at another mouthy bag of wind ... the head coach at Auburn. He complains and complains and complains whenever he wants. And it pays off. Coaches should harp on it when they face Barnhill.

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It is MOST DEFINITELY a replant--that couldn't be more obvious--and it definitely gives her an advantage. How could it not? She is half a foot closer to to the batter with the replant AND she's still in her motion and so getting leverage from the replant. She is hopping and replanting. She is not releasing the ball as she replants, either--she replants well before releasing the ball. She is also moving to the left on some of her replants. It is an illegal pitch. 


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Stop biatchin.  It was mentioned last year, but nowhere near as much this season.  Why?  Cause she wasn't as successful.  But now that she is having a nice season, here come all the experts.  If you think that small "leap/drag" is what makes her so dominant, then put down that pipe people.  It leads to nowhere.. especially that Bama cat.


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Alright, the horse is dead.  I'll let you ladies fight over this.


LOL. The "I know I'm wrong but I'll try to make it about you being catty" argument.
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Boy, these rules are fair weather.   The rule will NOT be enforced.  So shut the front door and just hit the pitch.  With these juiced bats, bases being so dam close that a routine grounder is bang bang, 190 foot fences, moving the rubber back to 43, and chitty umps, you guys are complaining about the 1 of many pitchers that have a leap?  Just so happens that pitcher is having a historic season.   I just see a lot of whine and hate.  See you in OKC, cause if they make it, I'll be there.  



So your excuse is a rule change from 6 years ago? (43 feet)  And the bases are now closer?  who knew? And the bats are juiced?  wow  That's a whole lot of mumbo jumbo to defend breaking the rules.

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How many threads over the years on illegal pitches? Please. It's about more than this one kid.
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For everyone saying nothing will be done or the horse is dead ... If I've learned one thing from the pos lying bag of wind that is in the white house, it's not to be deterred. Those who remain relentless and keep on keepin are much more likely to get what they wish for than those defeatists who assume from the jump nothing will happen or change.

Look at another mouthy bag of wind ... the head coach at Auburn. He complains and complains and complains whenever he wants. And it pays off. Coaches should harp on it when they face Barnhill.


This is exactly right. If it is illegal, then coaches should holler about it and not stop. People don't have the courage to keep challenging cheaters. Or how about this: Have a 3-person committee with softball expertise--no ties to the SEC or any SEC schools--watch this or other videos of her pitches and make a determination. Let it decide--but it's pretty clear from what I see that she is not only replanting, but replanting and getting leverage from the replant, which equals definite advantage. What kind of season she or anyone has should not relevant--but obviously if you are replanting and super-successful, you will be scrutinize--and rightly so.   

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