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TylerDurden

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Hillary will be a good President because she's a Democrat (You should have just stopped here, would have saved yourself the heartache of having to read this entire post).  She will protect Obamacare (You are really still defending this?), invest in infrastructure (As will a republican), avoid unnecessary military invention (She voted for the war in Iraq and is more hawkish than some on the right), protect gay rights (Until this election cycle, what has she done to address this? Any bills from her time in the senate?  She certainly took money from Muslim countries that have a horrible record with gay rights, what would make her stance different now?), address income inequality (This coming from the person that takes millions from wall street, for herself, campaign and "foundation".  I forgot, she was broke once when her and Bill left the White House), reduce budget deficits (Seeing as how she wants another term of Obamanomics, I guess we can expect another record eight years of adding to the debt, not reducing it), fight voter suppression (That's right, she thinks republicans are doing "all they can" to make sure people don't vote.  Fear mongering at it's best, and of the most vulnerable in our society, which makes it all the worse), continue the fight for civil rights (Again, what has she done, outside of an election year, that makes you think she will all the sudden care.), and many other things.  I think these all make America better.
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Hillary will be a good President because she's a Democrat.  She will protect Obamacare, invest in infrastructure, avoid unnecessary military invention, protect gay rights, address income inequality, reduce budget deficits, fight voter suppression, continue the fight for civil rights, and many other things.  I think these all make America better.


As promised, here is a civil response.

I think she will have to deal with the reality that most of the negatives surrounding Obamacare will during her first term.  Assuming the GOP holds on to both houses of Congress, she would do well to work with them to find a fix for the glaring problems that Obamacare has created.

Investing in infrastructure is what every President has done.  I'm not sure how this distinguishes her from a GOP president.

Republicans also want to avoid unnecessary military intervention.  Unfortunately, Hillary and Obama have left behind a world that is extremely unstable due to their underestimation of ISIS, their lack of understanding with respect to Russia, their outright hostility to Israel, and their ignorance when it comes to Chinese aggression.  The best way to avoid military intervention is to restore our military strength which Obama has undercut for 7 years.

I'm all on board with protecting gay rights but I'm more on board with protecting the 1st Amendment.  What will Hillary do to protect that after Obama has savaged it?

I certainly hope she addresses income equality after it has grown under Obama's watch.  But Republicans have a better plan for this - it's called getting out of the way of a free market economy.

Voter suppression is not an issue because there isn't any.

Civil rights is a noble cause and it would be nice to see a Democrat actually care about it.  Under liberal policies and especially under Obama, the black community has suffered immeasurably.
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pabar - Thank you.

Obamacare - A law that will be improved each and every year for awhile.  Outside of woody, I've never heard anyone in my personal life complain about our new rules under the AHCA.  I'm sure there are some problems but I have confidence Democrats want to work them out.

Infrastructure - Obama wanted to invest significantly in our infrastructure but was mostly blocked.  Candidate Trump is pointing out the serious need we have to improve airports, rail, bridges, etc.  A Democrat knows an investment now will pay dividends later.  A Democrat is willing to raise revenue to pay for such a needed investment so it doesn't raise our debt.

Intervention - I suppose we could debate "necessary" all day long.  History, and current rhetoric, tells me Republicans will have us right back in quagmire before we know it.  Btw, we have a very strong military. 

1st amendment - Obama has not savaged it and has been great at protecting the rights of all.

Income inequality - Obama has pushed for higher minimum wage.  Republicans block every chance they get.  Democrats push for training our work force via easier access to College education but Republicans block at every turn.  Estate tax, capital gains taxes, tax loopholes, all lead to more income for the wealthy at the expense of the middle class.  So many avenues where Democrats, without obstruction, will make headway on this issue.

Voter suppression - SC rulings, more ID laws, fewer polling locations, fewer days to vote, etc., all intended to suppress voting from my perspective.  In fact, even from the perspective of that Republican from the Romney campaign who they show in that video claiming these laws are winning steps for the GOP.

Civil Rights - The black community generally suffers more than the rest of us.  Not Obama's blame, in my opinion, but there are many opinions as to why.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.



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Btw, we have a very strong military.  


How in the hell would you know?

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I'm all on board with protecting gay rights but I'm more on board with protecting the 1st Amendment.  What will Hillary do to protect that after Obama has savaged it?



pabar - No person can take away your first amendment rights, (outside of a court).  The Constitution and Courts just won't allow it to happen.  You have made a false accusation here.  That said, you can accuse a President, or others, of trying to change the Constitution/Amendments by following procedures outlined but, an individual can't take them away unilaterally.  You should correct this.


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Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

We have been over this before.  In his first two years, Dems controlled the House and the Senate.  There was a Federal Highway Bill (which includes transit, bike/ped, etc) making its way through committee that would have increased spending by something like 40% for roads, and 60% for transit.  In the House, a Republican, John Mica from Orlando, was cosponsor, as he was ranking minority member.

There were something like 60 consponsors to the bill - very bipartisan.

Your Beloved iced this bill, because it wasn't a priority.  He so embittered partisanship with his dirty tricks to pass Obamacare, goodwill was lost, and it has sat since.

OBAMA BLEW A BIPARTISAN INFRASTRUCTURE BILL BECAUSE IT WASN'T HIS PRIORITY.

We have been over this before, but don't let that get in the way of your false talking points.


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Infrastructure - Obama wanted to invest significantly in our infrastructure but was mostly blocked.  Candidate Trump is pointing out the serious need we have to improve airports, rail, bridges, etc.  A Democrat knows an investment now will pay dividends later.  A Democrat is willing to raise revenue to pay for such a needed investment so it doesn't raise our debt.

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Civil Rights - The black community generally suffers more than the rest of us.  Not Obama's blame, in my opinion, but there are many opinions as to why.



Civil Rights my ass.   Black, yellow, purple, and any other color of person has the same rights I have. 

Join the 21st century Pinocchio.


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That card is frayed on the edges and marked after decades. Time to burn that deck, and deal a new one. Pick a new card Dewey, any card but that one. Nobody cares anymore, we are now a nation of mongrels that are harder to distinguish by the day other than intelligence. Seems the gene pool on the Democrat side is pretty shallow as evidenced by the higher ups in the party selecting the candidate that the low infos are allowed to vote for. It's your racist Socialists Elitist Democrat party, own them Dewey. They are the Slave masters that carry the whip and tell you who you will vote for. Your choice doesn't matter evidently.
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Debbie "I used to be a man" Shultz's vote is the only one that counts.

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It's your racist Socialists Elitist Democrat party, own them Dewey. They are the Slave masters that carry the whip and tell you who you will vote for. Your choice doesn't matter evidently.
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mikec - Here you go.  Two examples.  I didn't make these up.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/senate-blocks-60-billion-infrastructure-plan/2011/11/03/gIQACXjajM_story.html

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/03/25/478B-Infrastructure-Bill-Blocked-Senate-GOP

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Reread my response in relation to the dates on your two articles.
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I said Obama wanted to invest in infrastructure and was mostly blocked.  I gave two examples.  You can argue he should have tried sooner but that doesn't change the truth of my statement.  When he tried, he was mostly blocked. 
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Invest in a President that isn't a habitual liar. That would be a good start.
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I said Obama wanted to invest in infrastructure and was mostly blocked.  I gave two examples.  You can argue he should have tried sooner but that doesn't change the truth of my statement.  When he tried, he was mostly blocked. 


Are you a complete nitwit? He had his opportunity, and it wasn't a priority. Then he poisoned the well with his hyper-partisanship.

You lose - this is all on Obama.
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This is an aptly titled thread. This thread is a best of.... of dewy's recycled and recirulated material.

Believe me we've had this infrastructure talk, covered here numerous times. Same with solyndra (cronyism at its finest), gay pizzas and Heil Hitler Ted Cruz. This could be an all time lengthy thread but don't tell dewy this thread is about him.

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Dewey hopes the readers won't read the actual links.  

The bill was blocked because Bernie Sanders, the author, wanted to soak businesses with additional taxes to pay for the infrastructure.  Roads are supposed to be funded by the Highway Trust Fund financed by gasoline taxes.  This was essentially a way for Sanders to dictate tax policy.
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You wouldn't believe how many times that dewy has posted links in direct opposite polarity from his statements.

Anyway, I believe more and more that dewy's purpose here is to clean away the conservatives and squash their involvement here to have free roam for those that he approves of, i.e. freshman parents. IOW, he's on a mission to clean house.

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Dewey hopes the readers won't read the actual links.  

The bill was blocked because Bernie Sanders, the author, wanted to soak businesses with additional taxes to pay for the infrastructure.  Roads are supposed to be funded by the Highway Trust Fund financed by gasoline taxes.  This was essentially a way for Sanders to dictate tax policy.



Reading comprehension...not one of Dewey's strengths.  If it's not a democratic talking point or an endless ramble about how the GOP is going to deport a 12 year old going to school, he's as lost as Marco Rubio at a debate with Chris Christie.
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Earlier...Congress approval rate - 20% approve, 75% disapprove


Our number one job is to make Obama one term President. - GOP Senator McConnell

We will not vote on the AUMF proposal we asked for. - GOP House

We will not vote on the Senate immigration reform bill. - GOP House

We will not hold hearings for a Supreme Court nominee. - GOP Senate


Now...Congress approval rate - 14% approve, 81% disapprove


What's next?


Folks, this never-ending Government gridlock is not by choice of Democrats.

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Folks, this never-ending Government gridlock is not by choice of Democrats.

Wrong - Reid is just as responsible for obstructing bills in the Senate when Dems were the majority and now as the minority.
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PDad - I completely disagree.  I doubt there is one piece of action, or legislation, which would have ultimately succeeded if Sen Reid had stayed away.  I suppose he could have wasted a lot of time with "show" votes, but that seems wasteful and unnecessary.  I don't think he asked for formal proposals and then refused to bring them to a vote.  Clearly didn't make the statements McConnell is known for making.  Filibusters yes, but I'm not talking filibusters.  If any of us were majority leader, representing the same party as the POTUS, we wouldn't bring up bills the President didn't favor.  If we did, we wouldn't be majority leader for long.  Our colleagues would run us out.
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McConnell's statement was in 2010, after Dems held the Senate.

Reid should have brought them up for a vote and voted them down if he had the votes. I think he was protecting some Senators. I doubt he was following the Hastert Rule...


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PDad - I completely disagree.  I doubt there is one piece of action, or legislation, which would have ultimately succeeded if Sen Reid had stayed away.  I suppose he could have wasted a lot of time with "show" votes, but that seems wasteful and unnecessary.  I don't think he asked for formal proposals and then refused to bring them to a vote.  Clearly didn't make the statements McConnell is known for making.  Filibusters yes, but I'm not talking filibusters.  If any of us were majority leader, representing the same party as the POTUS, we wouldn't bring up bills the President didn't favor.  If we did, we wouldn't be majority leader for long.  Our colleagues would run us out.




Them durn facts.....

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/07/mark-begich-harry-reid-amendments-109567


Democratic Sen. Mark Begich publicly blasted Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid on Wednesday afternoon for limiting the Senate’s amendment consideration.

The Alaskan on Wednesday voted against advancing a Reid-backed bill aimed at cracking down on companies that exploit tax loopholes to outsource jobs. Begich supports that bill, but he expressed frustration with Reid for maneuvering to stymie amendment votes — the type of disagreement that’s usually kept private between members of the same party.

“I’ve told Senator Reid more than once that we can’t keep up this gridlock of voting on final bills without considering amendments,” Begich said.

A Reid aide did not immediately respond to a request for comment.


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I think Lost_1 failed to understand my post.  I've agreed, Reid would block amendments and legislation which the President would not sign off on, as any majority leader would do on behalf of his President.  In other words, regardless if Reid were even there or not, these actions would fail.  Reid just stops them early for the sake of time and, as PDad said, to sometimes protect Senators from exposing their positions.
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To be clear to everyone, I think this is what Dewey thinks:

Only Republicans are obstructionist.  Democrats aren't.
Republicans hate Obama.
Obama is the most successful president in history.
Republicans have a problem with consistency in viewpoints while Democrats are completely consistent in their views.
There is a blue wall which will be impossible for any GOP candidate to overcome.
Conservatives in this forum hate Democrats.
Liberals in this forum are always respectful and civil.
When Conservatives disagree with Dewey, it's because we've failed to understand his points.


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I think Lost_1 failed to understand my post.  I've agreed, Reid would block amendments and legislation which the President would not sign off on, as any majority leader would do on behalf of his President.  In other words, regardless if Reid were even there or not, these actions would fail.  Reid just stops them early for the sake of time and, as PDad said, to sometimes protect Senators from exposing their positions.



This is just to easy


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Earlier...Congress approval rate - 20% approve, 75% disapprove


Our number one job is to make Obama one term President. - GOP Senator McConnell

We will not vote on the AUMF proposal we asked for. - GOP House

We will not vote on the Senate immigration reform bill. - GOP House

We will not hold hearings for a Supreme Court nominee. - GOP Senate


Now...Congress approval rate - 14% approve, 81% disapprove


What's next?


Folks, this never-ending Government gridlock is not by choice of Democrats.

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Harry Reid Block's Kate's Law

Senate Democratic Leader Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV) blocked legislation Wednesday increasing the penalty for illegal immigrants who return to the U.S. after a deportation, also known as Kate’s Law.

Reid’s obstruction of Kate’s Law — named in honor of Kathryn Steinle — occurred Wednesday afternoon when Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) asked for unanimous consent to proceed to Kate’s law. Reid objected, saying the legislation represents an “attack on the immigrant community.”

“All we’ve seen from Republican leaders and their caucus is bills that attack immigrants and tear families apart. So I object.” the Democratic leader said.

Following the objection, Cruz accused Reid of standing with criminal illegal immigrants and insulting law abiding immigrants.

“It is sad that the Democratic leader chooses to stand with violent criminal illegal aliens instead of the American citizens. But even sadder is that he impugns legal immigrants,” Cruz, who is running for president, said.

The Texas Republican continued, taking offense — as the son of an immigrant — at the idea that his legislation is an attack on the immigrant community.

“When the Democratic leader suggests that incarcerating aggravated felons, murderers and rapists who illegally reenter this country is somehow a sleight to immigrants — Well, Mr. President, I am a son of an immigrant who came from Cuba. There is no one in this chamber who will fight harder for legal immigrants than I will,” Cruz said.

“For the Democratic leader to cynically suggest that somehow immigrants should be lumped into the same bucket with murderers and rapists demonstrates the cynicism of the modern Democratic party, demonstrates just how out of touch the modern Democratic Party is,” he continued.

Cruz introduced Kate’s Law following the murder of Kathryn Steinle at the hands of an illegal immigrant with a lengthy rap sheet who had been deported from the U.S. at least five times.


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To be clear to everyone, I think this is what Dewey thinks:

Only Republicans are obstructionist.  Far worse than Dems Democrats aren't.  Democrats can filibuster during GOP Administrations but I don't recall saying "make him a one term Pres", "not voting in House when votes were there to pass", or "asking for AUMF proposal and then refusing to vote on it".
Republicans hate Obama. Find him extremely objectionable.
Obama is the most successful president in history.  Will go down as one of the most successful.
Republicans have a problem with consistency in viewpoints while Democrats are completely never said completely, said more consistent in their views.
There is a blue wall which will be impossible never said impossible but have said very difficult for any GOP candidate to overcome.
Conservatives in this forum hate Democrats. Find them very objectionable
Liberals in this forum are always respectful and civil. Far far more than Conservatives have been
When Conservatives disagree with Dewey, it's because we've failed to understand his points. Conservatives are free to disagree with me and often misunderstand or misquote my points.



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For some reason Lost-1 believes I said Reid doesn't block votes.  I said Reid blocks legislation the President won't sign.  Won't waste the time.
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Dewey,

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