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DETROIT
By Frosty Wooldridge
 
For 15 years, from the mid 1970's to 1990, I worked in Detroit , Michigan . I watched it descend into the abyss of crime, debauchery, gunplay, drugs, school truancy, car-jacking, gangs and human depravity. I watched entire city blocks burned out. I watched graffiti explode on buildings, cars, trucks, buses and school yards. Trash everywhere!
Detroiters walked through it, tossed more into it, and ignored it. Tens of thousands, and then hundreds of thousands today exist on federal welfare, free housing, and food stamps!

With Aid to Dependent Children, minority women birthed eight to 10, and in one case, one woman birthed 24 children as reported by the Detroit Free Press, all on American taxpayer dollars.
A new child meant a new car payment, new TV, and whatever mom wanted. I saw Lyndon Baines Johnson's 'Great Society' flourish in Detroit . If you give money for doing nothing, you will get more hands out taking money for doing nothing.

Mayor Coleman Young, perhaps the most corrupt mayor in America , outside of Richard Daley in Chicago , rode Detroit down to its knees... He set the benchmark for cronyism, incompetence, and arrogance. As a black man, he said, "I am the MFIC." The IC meant "in charge". You can figure out the rest.
Detroit became a majority black city with 67 percent African-Americans.

As a United Van Lines truck driver for my summer job from teaching math and science, I loaded hundreds of American families into my van for a new life in another city or state.

Detroit plummeted from 1.8 million citizens to 912,000 today. At the same time, legal and illegal immigrants converged on the city for the free government handouts, so much so, that Muslims number over 300,000. Mexicans number 400,000 throughout Michigan, but most work in Detroit . As the whites moved out, the Muslims moved in.
As the crimes became more violent, the whites fled. Finally, unlawful Mexicans moved in at a torrid pace. Detroit suffers so much shoplifting that grocery stores no longer operate in many inner city locations. You could cut the racial tension in the air with a knife! Detroit may be one of our best examples of multiculturalism: pure dislike, and total separation from America ..

Today, you hear Muslim calls to worship over the city like a new American Baghdad with hundreds of Islamic mosques in Michigan , paid for by Saudi Arabian oil money. High school flunk-out rates reached 76 percent last June, according to NBC's Brian Williams. Classrooms resemble more foreign countries than America .. English? Few speak it! The city features a 50 percent illiteracy rate and growing.
Unemployment hit 28.9 percent in 2009 as the auto industry vacated the city. In Time Magazine on October 4, 2009, "The Tragedy of Detroit : How a great city fell, and how it can rise again," I choked on the writer's description of what happened. "If Detroit had been ravaged by a hurricane, and submerged by a ravenous flood, we'd know a lot more about it," said Daniel Okrent. "If drought and carelessness had spread brush fires across the city, we'd see it on the evening news every night." Earthquake, tornadoes, you name it, if natural disaster had devastated the city that was once the living proof of American prosperity, the rest of the country might take notice.
But Detroit , once our fourth largest city, now 11th and slipping rapidly, has had no such luck. Its disaster has long been a slow unwinding that seemed to remove it from the rest of the country.

Even the death rattle that in the past year emanated from its signature industry brought more attention to the auto executives than to the people of the city, who had for so long been victimized by their dreadful decision making."
As Coleman Young's corruption brought the city to its knees, no amount of federal dollars could save the incredible payoffs, kickbacks and illegality permeating his administration. I witnessed the city's death from the seat of my 18-wheeler tractor trailer because I moved people out of every sector of decaying Detroit .

"By any quantifiable standard, the city is on life support. Detroit 's treasury is $300 million short of the funds needed to provide the barest municipal services," Okrent said. "The school system, which six years ago was compelled by the teachers' union to reject a philanthropist's offer of $200 million to build 15 small, independent charter high schools, is in receivership. The murder rate is soaring, and 7 out of 10 remain unsolved. Three years after Katrina devastated New Orleans , unemployment in that city hit a peak of 11%. In Detroit today, the unemployment rate is 28.9%. That's worth spelling out: twenty-eight point nine percent.
At the end of Okrent's report, and he will write a dozen more about Detroit, he said, "That's because the story of Detroit is not simply one of a great city's collapse, it's also about the erosion of the industries that helped build the country we know today. The ultimate fate of Detroit will reveal much about the character of America in the 21st century.

If what was once the most prosperous manufacturing city in the nation has been brought to its knees, what does that say about our recent past? And if it can't find a way to get up, what does that say about Americas future?"
As you read in my book review of Chris Steiner's book,"$20 Per Gallon", the auto industry won't come back. Immigration will keep pouring more and more uneducated third world immigrants from the Middle East into Detroit , thus creating a beachhead for Islamic hegemony in America . If 50 percent illiteracy continues, we will see more home-grown terrorists spawned out of the Muslim ghettos of Detroit . Illiteracy plus Islam equals walking human bombs.
You have already seen it in Madrid , Spain , London , England , and Paris , France with train bombings, subway bombings and riots. As their numbers grow, so will their power to enact their barbaric Sharia Law that negates republican forms of government, first amendment rights, and subjugates women to the lowest rungs on the human ladder. We will see more honor killings by upset husbands, fathers and brothers that demand subjugation by their daughters, sisters and wives. Muslims prefer beheadings of women to scare the hell out of any other members of their sect from straying. Multiculturalism: what a perfect method to kill our language, culture, country and way of life.
I PRAY EVERYONE WHO READS THIS REALIZES THAT IF WE DON'T STAND UP AND SCREAM AT WASHINGTON , AND OUR STATE, CITY AND LOCAL LEADERS, THIS IS WHAT AWAITS THE REST OF AMERICA . IF YOU THINK MEXICANS AND MUSLIMS AND OTHER FORIEGNERS WILL EVENTUALLY FIT RIGHT IN THEN YOU ARE AS BIG A PART OF THE PROBLEM AS THEY ARE.

IF YOU THINK THIS IS JUST A BUNCH OF HOOEY AND YOU FEEL NO DUTY TO FIGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY, THEN I'M SORRY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WILL TAKE FOR YOU TO STAND AND FIGHT ?
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good read pabar.
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Yes - a good, but terribly tragic, read.  I know another thread is already going on this but this just stands out as such a tragic byproduct of the ill-conceived liberal mindset.  People want to be treated as adults and given the chance to stand on their own but when you constantly cater to victimization politics, those that are in need are eventually going to say, screw it, i'll just take the hand out and not even try.  That is what has happened in Detroit and is happening all across this once great land.  Those on the left insist there aren't that many takers and moochers.  The data say otherwise.  I don't blame the takers and the moochers - I blame the enablers.
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Thomas Sowell had a good quote today on twitterthat said "It is amazing how many people seem to think the government exists to turn their prejudices into laws."    How true is that and it can readily be seen throughout this country but especially in Detroit. People are constantly saying other people cant do this and cant do that and these people feel this way and that and look at what has happened.  Detroit is prime example.  How many times have we heard dewey say, people cant do it and wont do it, so he doesnt want to have to do so he votes for the govt to do it.   Sad, because they dont realize they create it, and eventually because of the increasd theft from society  it imprisons those that truely want to be productive.  Obamacare is a huge step in that direction in multiple respects.  But remember people cant take care of themselves, so they make the govt do their prejudices and it traps millions and kills millions!
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Many more Detroits in the making right now....
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Since Detroit was run by Dems following the liberal playbook would anyone on the left care to chime in as to why we shouldn't expect more of the same results in other cities following the same plan with the same leadership?
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Detroit is a magnified example of what happens when a system is corrupted beyond measure and corruption becomes a way of life in both governmental and economics spheres. If both our national government and economics systems continue merrily along their corrupted paths, Detroit will become a message ignored with negative results for our nation. A fish begins to rot from its head.  Are we so far down the current road in our federal and state governments that there is no return, or is there a possibility of a phoenix rising out of the ashes of the lessons offered by Detroit?  Is it possible to bring back the values system of the Republic which grew out of "The Great Experiment", or will the singular value of profit continue to be the driving force behind our governments and corporations and individuals?  Will effective oversight of government spending ever exist?  Party politics bicker and blame while Rome burns.     Frank
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Corruption - yes.  Government overreach?  Even more so.
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Curious how when Dems fail they attempt to blame Repubs, but if that doesn't fly it's "the system" or "party politics" or some such excuse that diverts direct responsibility. How can we expect them to be honest with the people when they can't be honest with themselves?
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Atlanta is not too far behind.
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Curious how when Dems fail they attempt to blame Repubs, but if that doesn't fly it's "the system" or "party politics" or some such excuse that diverts direct responsibility. How can we expect them to be honest with the people when they can't be honest with themselves?


Yes, curious.  There have been no party politics in detroit.  Just one party stealing its constituents blind. The democrats have been left alone to succeed or fail in detroit, just like everywhere else they put their paw prints, the results will be failure.

So spazsdad asked a legit question and JG found a way to blame the 'system' and party politics, how surprising.  At least he could have ignored the thread as most good democrats would do rather than embarrass themselves.

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Have not heard a peep out of our vocal socialist DEWEY............Hiding are we.
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Have not heard a peep out of our vocal socialist DEWEY............Hiding are we.


Dewey doesn't hide.  He said he would be offline for several days while celebrating his anniversary.  
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soft5, it seems you don't know Dewey, if you did you would not criticize him.
he not only is very knowledgeable, but he is also very brave.
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Here is the unvarnished truth from someone with a fair amount of credibility on the subject.  Liberalism has in fact destroyed the black community but Republicans share the blame for having abandoned the conservative principles which would have liberated the black community from the government plantation.  Only in a free society, which is at the heart of conservative principles, can every citizen be given the opportunity to succeed or fail on his or her own merits.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/danieldoherty/2013/08/07/guillory-liberalism-has-nearly-destroyed-black-america-n1658515

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Yes from his posts I could pretty much make a good judgement from his views.......Much like the present individuals that have run this government to its knees, he too is one who I see responsible to this breakdown of our society. Dewey to me is like Sharpton,Jackson,etc. I just read his selective crap responses and laugh.He has his views and I have mine and pretty much his views are detroying this country just like the present destruction of liberal runned Detroit.
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I haven't read this thread and so I apologize if any of my ideas have been presented before.  Where American/society messed up is the entitlement program.  In my heart, I don't believe that these people in Detroit (all citizens) or anywhere else really want entitlements.  They want jobs.  Yet, for some unknown reason, we seem to want to throw money at the problem.  We create a type of slavery that is government needs based.  Instead, and I have never figured out why this isn't apparent to anyone, why not give incentives to industry to move back in to these blighted areas to create jobs?  The people would have to agree to work for lower wages.  I know that is not popular.  These industries would have to agree to good working conditions, opportunities for advancement, investment back in to these neighborhoods, job training and the creation of educational programs since a lot of these workers are uneducated due to dropping out of school.  The government could give so many types of incentives from TIF districts to tax breaks.  They could keep the EPA away to keep them from destroying jobs.  The government could, itself create educational opportunities for those who have dropped out with the incentive that these workers would be moved up the list for potential employment in these industries.  It would be a huge investment but still cheaper than what we are currently doing.  It would also enable these communities to stop dependency upon government for their existence.  Of course this makes too much common sense and certain power brokers don't want this.  If this did happen, these people/parties would lose their power over these people and so lose votes.  (National and Local level)
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Coach - why should the federal government be in the business of providing incentives to anyone for anything?  Let cities and states succeed or fail on their own with the business policies and taxation they decide upon.  If California would get its collective head out of its arse and lower taxes and drastically reduce the ridiculous regulations we have, we wouldn't be in the financial mess we're in.  (Of course, our incentivizing of government-sponsored behaviors doesn't help either)  I know lots of high tax rate people who have left this state just based on tax and regulatory issues alone.

Everything the federal government tries to run or manage or influence turns to poop.
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pabar, I agree with you BUT realize that we are already throwing money at the problem.  The only way I see to get monies back via taxes paid and products purchased is to incentivize some of these corporations to go back into these areas.  Ok so if you don't want the fed to do it, fine.  If it has to be the state, I'm fine with it.  However, we have to change course OR the other option is to have the entitlement class vote themselves in elections more candidates that promise them the world for nothing. 


Kind of the best of two evils if you catch my drift. 
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Coach, we are at the point already where the entitlement class has the ability to lock it in forever.

And yes, if the states want to create programs to lure businesses, i'm all for it.  If I don't like what my state is doing, i'm welcome to move to another one.  Not so simple when the feds start creating programs.
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pabar, have you ever seen East St. Louis?  In one of the Chevy Chase "Vacation" movies, they go through East Side and their car gets stripped.  It was once the second largest city in Illinois.  It is crime ridden and very dangerous.  We have to drive through it each time we go to St. Louis.  Industry has vacated that place.  Every night on the evening news, one, two or three murders will be reported on there.  Yet, it is also a money drain.  Jobs are the answer and not entitlement.  I just don't know how else you get business to move back in to those areas. 

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Coach I hear what you are saying  with your heart, and once upon a time I would have said you were right,  But, I have seen too many generations raised on welfare and there are truly people that dont know any different and consequently dont want a job, dont feel comfortable with anything but a govt check.  Many people that work at hotels and restaurants dont want promotions because they will loose their food stamps, etc...There are so many hand outs today and people know how to play the sytem so well that there are truly people who dont want to work.    

The only way people will be held accountable is if its done at the local level like it was years ago way before the "new deal" or "raw deal" as I like to call it.    Re-training and education is better done at that level as well.  Federal politicians have forever used safety and fairness to steal freedom and money from the people!  Until the electorate wakes up, which I think they are starting to do, none of this will change.

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If I was running East St. Louis, I would cut back on all government services as much as I can except for those involving public safety.  I would strip out all unnecessary regulations and reduce business fees and whatever local taxes I could.  I would clean out the homeless (ala Rudy Giuliani in NY) and I would partner with the churches (all denominations) to start a community program of straightening out the youth.  I am certain that there are many black churches in the area and i'm guessing that most of the crime (both perpetrator and victim) is centered around the black community.  I would gather what business leaders remain and discuss with them ideas for partnering with the community to provide internships to local youth.  I would talk to school superintendents and demand accountability and promote and foster school choice where possible.  Every city can be saved but it must start by breaking the chains of federal dependency.
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Susan, the thing I think I'm leaving out of this is that I take away the other options.  Thus my comments that we have to stop throwing money at the problem and produce jobs.  Pabar, much of that has been done but there aren't any jobs.  I guess this is my liberal side coming out and don't understand why the people don't see the benefit of the trade off.  If we always do what we've always done, we won't see change.  Believe me, no business is moving in to East St. Louis as it now stands. 
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Have not heard a peep out of our vocal socialist DEWEY............Hiding are we.


Dewey doesn't hide.  He said he would be offline for several days while celebrating his anniversary.  
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Nope, dewey doesn't hide.  Matter of fact he is everywhere, but he is nowhere.  We don't need to badmouth dewey while he is away celebrating, there is plenty of time for that when he gets back.  Also, a thread on Detroit will not pique dewey's interest, a mere shrug of the shoulder is all he will give detroit.

soft5, save your energy for talks on the continuing resolution around the corner and whether to fund obamacare, also the 2014 budget talks, gun control, immigration/amnesty, staying focused on Benghazi and IRS phony scandals.   When you have talks about the budget with dewey, bring your calculator and your BC powder, leave your common sense at home and he will tell you how $18 trillion in debt is nothing and we are headed for much worse; "but it's all good".  Got any views of relevance about race relations in America, spit it out.  Can't get enough people talking about the 800 pound gorilla in the room.  watch out for masare, she may want to lump you in with the rest of the monkees

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Coach - I'm going to play my calling BS card and posit that you don't really know what's been tried there.  Certainly not all that I suggested has been tried.
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Pabar, the State of Illinois now patrols the streets so some of the public monies spent on that have been cut.  The fire protections comes from adjoining cities like Belleville although they still have a fire department, it is small with a lot of volunteers.  The business have left so there isn't much business action other than the liquor stores and a few minor industries.  I don't know how you could clean out the homeless.  They are every where and living in those run down homes.  Per the churches, they are the victims of crime now as well.  Just recently one of the larger churches was robbed during a Sunday service.  Armed men went in and held up the congregation.  Thieves are stealing the copper from the cooling units, stealing anything that isn't tied down and so, many churches are closing.  Per the school, the State of Illinois has taken it over.  They have cut staff but can't find the finances to fix up the schools.  I have been in the HS while scouting for basketball.  Not a good place for someone like me.  Not even the kids will go in to the locker rooms.  When we played there, we didn't and instead went in to a hallway.  So, I know you called BS and I don't blame you.  It would be difficult for me to explain East St. Louis other than, avoid it at all cost.  Business certainly are and so that is why it won't be fixed.
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It wont be fixed until the federal dole is stopped, they all kill each other off, or they get tired of their lifestyle enough that they realize they can change it and or move out too to make the change.  Some kind of education or work training has to be done with anything received.  Obama took out all work conditions purposefully.  He knows as long as people get something for nothing and are"comfortable enough", they will not seek to change their situation for the most part.  Once the electorate decides enough is enough and changes the senate and the president, then maybe we can undo enough of the Obama destruction that we can actually get an economy going, jobs returning and get some people off of the dole.  Obamas policies are designed to make people dependent, so trying to change anything now with Mr Obstructionist Reid leading the senate will be impossible.  Obamacare, is also designed to get even more dependent on the govt.  If the get more of these illegals dependent and voting we are cooked.
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The top 10


St. Louis at #4, not too shabby.  These cities do have a common thread, I wonder if JG can tie them altogether.  Party politics you say? not so much

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kir, in no way would you or anyone not from that area stand where the photographer stood to take that picture of St. Louis at this time of evening.  You wouldn't make it out.  I'm not scared of much in this world.  I am scared almost to death that my daughter drives through that same area of that photograph every time she comes home.  From the St. Louis side, it is nice with Busch Stadium and The  Arch grounds.  From the East Side, not so much. 
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