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JoiseyGuy

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If one gazes from an extreme or near extreme right wing position, even those citizens with a middle of the road perspective appear to be "extremists" as they don't always and forever agree with every right wing perspective.  Extreme left thinkers also view moderates as extreme from their point of view because the moderates occasionally agree with conservatives.  So it goes.   [wave]
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Dewey- Maybe the detractors here grew up as WWF/WWE fans and love a pile on in a cage match. See there's pabar61 on the top rope gloating! 


Not gloating unless dewy is a gloater.  He came up with that bold claim in this forum more than once bill over the years.  It is only fair for someone else to use the same line.  Gloaters? so be it [you ever read the happy democrat thread?]

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Here's an excerpt from the article I posted earlier about the impact of Demicrats moving toward the extreme wing of their party. For all the discussion since that earlier post, no one addressed the actual article or the impact of the shift on current representation in Washington. Instead we get a 'squirrel' gibberish from a democrat about what's funny. Lol

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Now think about that for a moment: One politician moved to his party's wing, not its center, and it was as if a tree fell in a forest — with no one listening. Another politician moved to his party's center, and hair collectively caught fire.

Just five years ago, 110 pro-life Democrats were in the House, around a dozen in the U.S. Senate. Today, fewer than five are in the House, and two in the Senate.

Just five years ago, coincidentally, Democrats held majorities in both chambers.

They lost those majorities because they lost touch with their districts.

Yes, gerrymandering played a part. Yet that is far from the whole story, a story no one talks about — or, if they do, they don't address the problem. The fact is, Democrats are losing or excluding evangelicals, blue-collar types, Jacksonians and moderates, not only from feeling welcome in the party but from filling the Democrat bench to run for or to hold local offices.

That is happening not just in Ohio but all across the country.
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The source is suspect with a right leaning spin.  Democrats received a lot larger percentage of the national vote than their representation in the House indicates.  Gerrymandering is hurting Democrats and it will be years before this can be corrected   Thank goodness for national elections which can't be manipulated in the same way.
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FiB & Dewey- Regardless of source, I have yet to hear any more promise to Republican chances in the next presidential election that doesn't sound like 2012. As Dewey says, the vote will tell.
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The source is suspect with a right leaning spin.  Democrats received a lot larger percentage of the national vote than their representation in the House indicates.  Gerrymandering is hurting Democrats and it will be years before this can be corrected   Thank goodness for national elections which can't be manipulated in the same way.


Dewey doubts the source and in the Questions with a Purpose thread he criticizes those who doubt the source.  See below, copied directly from Dewey's post. 


From what I learned in another thread, Sec Bennett doesn't believe what he's saying, Sec Kerry doesn't know what he's saying, and Chuck Todd isn't saying what he should be saying.  I think I'll make this my new standard response too.  The source is suspect so please ignore it.  That should pretty much take care of most every post here.

No politician can be believed or, to put it bluntly, they all lie outright.  Too many on the Left can respect none of those on the Right and too many on the Right can respect none of those on the Left.  A civil exchange is nearly impossible and if you do find a candidate you truly want to get behind, the backlash you'll receive might be greater than anything you ever planned on.  If you're the wrong sex or color for the Party you support, duck again.  Now with all this on the table, some here are amazed over the apathy of the American voter?  Are you kidding me?  Who would vote or support any candidate of such low integrity or take the personal flak for participating with the wrong team?  Who would be interested in sitting in and hearing/reading political exchanges like we carry on inside here?  Heck, I enjoy talking about politics and I probably wouldn't have stuck around here this long if it weren't for the fact I hate to step aside and give some of you free swings at the POTUS.  No, it's pretty clear why American voters have tired of the process and stay away in droves.  If it wasn't before, and they've experienced any significant time reading inside here over the last six years, it certainly is now.
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pabar - I told you in that post this would be my new standard response.  I'm going to join the club and dismiss all right-linked sources as suspect.  Are you giving my posts the focus they deserve? [wink]
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pabar - I told you in that post this would be my new standard response.  I'm going to join the club and dismiss all right-linked sources as suspect.  Are you giving my posts the focus they deserve? [wink]


I can guarantee you that I'm giving your posts the focus they deserve.
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You know, I don't think any member is more biased to the Right than ForeverInBlue.  By the standards you guys apply to MSM and so many other sources, we should dismiss every post he makes.
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According to the Pew Research Center, network news still dominates cable news by roughly double the viewership.  Similarly, print news still dominates over online news.  Everyone knows that network news and print news are both dominated by liberals.  The leftwing bias is alive and well.  That is why I try to print as many links as possible from leftwing sources as that should be given heavier consideration given the source.
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That's also why I used Sec. Bennett, Gov. Bush, Gov. Kasich, Gov. Haslam, Sen. McCain, and Sen. Graham and had them mostly dismissed as lacking credibility for various reasons.  Now Chuck Todd is being called out as well.  What did he do?  To top it off, I think EarlyGrayce got dismissed in rapid fashion too. 

Finally, I still believe we have a "pro Common Core" Conservative in here somewhere and look forward to hearing from them.  Too many Republicans support these standards for it to be 100% the other way in our little world.
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According to the Pew Research Center, network news still dominates cable news by roughly double the viewership.  Similarly, print news still dominates over online news.  Everyone knows that network news and print news are both dominated by liberals.  The leftwing bias is alive and well.  That is why I try to print as many links as possible from leftwing sources as that should be given heavier consideration given the source.


ABC News President Ben Sherwood, married to Elizabeth Sherwood-Randall, Obama advisor, former Biden advisor
Ian Cameron, producer "This Week" on ABC, marries to Susan Rice
Claire Shipman, ABC News, marries to Jay Carney
Mathew Jaffe, ABC News, married to Katie Hogan, Dep Press Sec'y Obama '12, spox for OFA
David Rhodes, President of CBS News, brother of Ben Rhodes, White House

The list of incestuous relationships goes on...
Dewey

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With the emphasis and importance, not to mention time invested, you Conservatives place on lack of balance and/or media bias in our US politics, you'd think I'd be welcomed in this mostly Conservative forum with open arms.  Imagine how embarrassing it would be to drive away every Liberal voice and then carry on with the readers about a lack of fair political balance in our TV, radio, and internet communications?  I think it's fortunate for all of you that you failed to succeed.
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Tee hee. I admire the language of an English barrister, but it infuriates your detractors. They think of you as an Old Rump, but I envision you more as Rumpole.
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With the emphasis and importance, not to mention time invested, you Conservatives place on lack of balance and/or media bias in our US politics, you'd think I'd be welcomed in this mostly Conservative forum with open arms.  Imagine how embarrassing it would be to drive away every Liberal voice and then carry on with the readers about a lack of fair political balance in our TV, radio, and internet communications?  I think it's fortunate for all of you that you failed to succeed.


Hilarious from someone who once bragged about his superior debating skills driving conservatives away.  I guess when the shoe is on the other foot, it makes you trip.
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pabar - I think they left because they wanted those "free swings" at the POTUS and I wouldn't allow such.  It was either leave or get angrier at me.
keepinitreal

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I think they left too early(grayce) if they let you run them off dewy. Big bad mean dewy ran those grown men off, how narcissistic. I think they tired of the repetition as many would tire of repetition but I refuse to be a victim. I think others simply ran their course and after their softball years just left. This is the time to shine while the obama administration has rotted on the vine, way past it's expiration date.

The attempts have been made continuously through cleverly worded shaming techniques through dewy and his supporters but I refuse to be shamed. You can't shame the shameless

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kiir- Your don't have a Sham? Wow! Thought everyone had one by now.

[original] 

There was a man less a sham
That funny cloth the color of a yam
I thought to say Wow
And show just how
Not only Dr. Seuss can be a ham

(Diet Coke: It's a pun, shameless/less sham. Totally meaningless to the conversation. Idle mind at work. Or better, not working. As in, avoiding work on a wet Monday morning.)

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Thank you bill, I see your plan and approve. Dewy needs you at this time, it's good to have friends
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kiir- I could be that devious, but your good-natured deduction is unfounded. While I definitely consider Dewey a friend and would come to the fore if anyone ever went beyond words, but my mission is simple. A pun is a terrible thing to waste.

 


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Bill - This is a tough room to work, believe me.  I don't know what kiir means by "I need you" but Smith,  Stay With Me. [smile]
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Gay marriage
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kiir- Have offered a few times that I was born in San Francisco. Didn't move here for the lifestyle. Better take your gaydar into the tech shop. Missed wide on that ping.

There's nothing wrong being gay
I have been prone to say
Not a transplant for lifestyle
Rather born `n raised as a child
So, no thank you, I don't go that way

 


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No further missed than your sham wow sir.
you definitely have a west coast sense of humor, I have more of a dry sense of humor. I thought gay marriage was pretty funny and I can laugh at my own jokes as long as you and dewy keep yukking it up.


Once you miss a reference then it's too late, as you know with DC. I guess you missed dewy's dedication of Sam smith's song to you, that seemed a little more than a bromance to me.

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Can we bring it back folks?

Here, I'll start.  One hypothesis - Republican wins the White House and the informed voting public remembers the basic premise of the Constitution and gives the Senate back to Democrats.  Then it's up to the new Pres to try to break through the gridlock - Obama failed on this measure.
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pabar - I disagree as the gridlock has mostly been a case of the GOP telling the President, "no".  Now the right wing of the GOP is telling their own leadership "no".  You'll see the gridlock show mostly in the House during the next couple of years.  We're going nowhere until the "right" side of this Country figure out where they want to go and how extreme they want to be.  Btw, did you hear Sen. Cruz on the Sunday show call out the Senate Democrats for filibustering?  You can't make this stuff up.  Anyways, without 60 votes these bills don't come to a vote.  It's not Reid blocking or McConnell blocking as your side so enjoyed saying.  It can be any one of the Senators who forces the 60 vote standard.
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From a blogger:
In short, a Republican candidate can win only by capturing all nine swing states and flipping a dyed-in-the-wool blue state, which Ladd considers virtually impossible.
“This means that the next presidential election, and all subsequent ones until a future party realignment, will be decided in the Democratic primary,” Ladd writes.
This analyst sees the midterm elections confirming a trend that has been growing over the past two decades.
“Republicans are disappearing from the competitive landscape at the national level across the most heavily populated sections of the country,” he says, “while intensifying their hold on a declining electoral bloc of aging, white, rural voters.”



Which States behind the blue wall are capable of being flipped in your opinion?
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pabar - I disagree as the gridlock has mostly been a case of the GOP telling the President, "no".  Now the right wing of the GOP is telling their own leadership "no".  You'll see the gridlock show mostly in the House during the next couple of years.  We're going nowhere until the "right" side of this Country figure out where they want to go and how extreme they want to be.  Btw, did you hear Sen. Cruz on the Sunday show call out the Senate Democrats for filibustering?  You can't make this stuff up.  Anyways, without 60 votes these bills don't come to a vote.  It's not Reid blocking or McConnell blocking as your side so enjoyed saying.  It can be any one of the Senators who forces the 60 vote standard.


Wasn't it Obama who lead the negotiation with his veto threats?

But, let's agree with you for now.  The GOP has been intransigent.  For Obama's first two years it didn't matter.  The Democrats could do anything and everything they want and they blew it all on a massive piece of legislation the American public never wants and still does no favor.  For the next four years, at least Obama still had the Senate.  How many bills sat on Harry Reid's desk?

If this is truly about GOP obstructionism then it really shows how ineffectual a leader Obama really is.  He's had no desire to reach across the aisle.  He's had no desire (or apparent ability) to compromise.  Tell me three consequential things that this president has given in on to the GOP that shows he is a true statesman.
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Wasn't it Obama who lead the negotiation with his veto threats? I don't know which negotiations you are talking about.  Try to dismantle his programs and a veto is coming for sure.

But, let's agree with you for now.  The GOP has been intransigent.  For Obama's first two years it didn't matter.  That's a fallacy.  Having a majority doesn't guarantee anything.  Members might not be in lock step.  It only took one Dem Senator to disagree and a bill couldn't move forward.  I know several had disagreements over precisely how immigration should go down.  The GOP is the majority in the House and are having similar trouble passing some legislation.  This majority means the President gets whatever he wants is just another myth.  The Democrats could do anything and everything they want and they blew it all on a massive piece of legislation the American public never wants and still does no favor.  For the next four years, at least Obama still had the Senate.  How many bills sat on Harry Reid's desk?  As I just explained, current bills are sitting on McConnell's desk because he knows there aren't 60 votes.  This is not unusual.

If this is truly about GOP obstructionism then it really shows how ineffectual a leader Obama really is.  He's had no desire to reach across the aisle.  It would be slapped away for the most part.  He's had no desire (or apparent ability) to compromise.  The Right hates compromise and will not oblige.  Tell me three consequential things that this president has given in on to the GOP that shows he is a true statesman.  Allowed much higher estate tax exemption than Dems wanted, single payer, sequestration, higher earning level before highest tax rate kicked in, backed off Syria attack because GOP wouldn't support, and gave in on extended UE benefits.
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pabar-

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Can we bring it back folks?


Spoilsport. [tongue]


Wouldn't it be wise for the Republicans to throw the POTUS a softball. He could then pen approval and they move on to legislation in sequence of magnitude? Or am I just to much a fence-mender to see the logic in start small and grow?

Or the Democrats take the horns and offer a bill to bridge the gap? Let Republicans wrangle a bit, but in the end...everyone show some ability to concede for the greater good of We The People.

 

 

 


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