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mikec

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Originally Posted by Will_I_Wynn
"I have yet to hear any coherent defense of Dems wanting so badly to protect people in this country ILLEGALLY."

Recently a father of two children, a father who was brought here when he was a child, was deported at age 39 as his family grieved.  A family torn apart.  I don't know what additional defense is needed, beyond the obvious ridiculousness and devastation of this deportation action, to illustrate why anyone would jump at the chance to protect against more destruction of families.  Soon we may see thousands more examples of young adults, and young parents, brought here as children being uprooted from their jobs and schooling only to be sent to a Country they don't even know.  More families torn apart and more grief.

It's been said 87% of Americans favor the end to this despicable action and support the legalization of the DACA individuals.  When the support is that great, no defense is really necessary.  It is likely futile to try and convince the last 13% who are mostly unreachable.  If that isn't acceptable, there are Conservatives in this forum, who support legalization of DACA kids, who can chime in.  It's probably better for all of us if they make the case to other Conservatives on this issue as they stand a better chance of actually being
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I thought I had seen where that dude was deported because he crossed the law (other than being here illegally - like for pot or something).

Regardless, he was here for 30 years.  You can't tell that it just slipped his mind for all that time.

I do not feel sorry for someone here for 30 years that didn't do anything to legalize in all that time.
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Life intervened I suppose.
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Life intervened I suppose.


Or every day was just "Mañana"

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woody

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Why should illegal alien children be given status? If I illegally brought my children to Mexico, and started living there illegally, would Mexico be required to give them "status", and allow my children to continue living there illegally? No, Mexico has tough immigration laws, and will arrest or deport you.
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uwApoligist

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If I rob a bank and quick run and give the money to my kids, they get to keep it?
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Would a Conservative inside here please explain their position supporting the legalizing of the DACA kids?  I know there are some Conservatives in this forum who are part of the 87% in favor of legal status for DACA kids.  Will you please explain why you have chosen to support these illegal immigrants that were brought here when they were kids?
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Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

Just keep on offending people and then looking dumbfounded when they sometimes lash out.


keepinitreal

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Dewy ready for another day, bright eyed and bushy-tailed.  Fund the government Duaine, your business partner wouldn't be happy with you if you didn't pay him.

I see you slept on it and came up with some new talking points, fund the government and we'll talk

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uwApoligist

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DACA is fine.  We should secure the border first so we don't have DACA v2 and DACA v3, correct?
uwApoligist

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Would liberals here answer one question.  Is it American workers best interest to shut down the government for DACA?
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DACA is fine.  We should secure the border first so we don't have DACA v2 and DACA v3, correct?


Fully agree, woody may not, next question?

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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
keepinitreal

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BALDWIN: "We have on a couple of hours’ sleep, this this is congressman Carlos Gutierrez, the congressman from Illinois and head of the Hispanic caucus, and it has been a blur for you, but help me understand from your perspective of the Democrat, that the Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer went to talk to the White House, and talk about this wall, and some that vehemently oppose, but would you want to build a wall to protect the immigrants."
GUTIERREZ: "I think it is terrible to build a wall of stupidity, but if that is what it takes to live freely and openly in America, them I will roll up my sleeves, and I will go down there with bricks and mortar and begin the wall. Because, you know, a brick for lives, okay. Let’s do it. And let me just say that wall is offensive to me. It is insulting to me, and people like me that have come to this country. But, you know, so people of my generation will do what we have to do, because that what we do for younger people. That is what we do. That is what we do."
 
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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
TheNarrator

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Will_I_Wynn
Would a Conservative inside here please explain their position supporting the legalizing of the DACA kids?  I know there are some Conservatives in this forum who are part of the 87% in favor of legal status for DACA kids.  Will you please explain why you have chosen to support these illegal immigrants that were brought here when they were kids?


Asked and answered - search is your friend

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DACA is fine.  We should secure the border first so we don't have DACA v2 and DACA v3, correct?


Of course it is.  Get Mexico to pony up for the wall.

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Even if Mexico pays for it.......it is virtually worthless. 
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keepinitreal

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Even if Mexico pays for it.......it is virtually worthless.  
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The previous comment is an opinion. It came as the result of a lifetime of keen observation and spectacular failures. I did conclude this; hopefully, we learn as much from failure as we do from our accomplishments.

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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
Lost_1

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mikec

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Explain to me why being brought here, illegally, as a kid, absolves you of responsibility to do something about it.

So, my dad comes here illegally, and brings me along.  That makes me a legal resident somehow?

That makes no sense whatsoever.
keepinitreal

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Horse is out of the barn mike and that barn is a schitthole
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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
Will_I_Wynn

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It's not known what all he has done to remain in the US. 

http://www.benachcollopy.com/2018/01/didnt-just-become-citizen-immigration-lawyer-analyzes-recent-deportation/

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A gullible nation is a vulnerable nation.  Challenge what you read on the internet.  Our nation's security is in our hands.  Don't be duped by misinformation.

The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

Just keep on offending people and then looking dumbfounded when they sometimes lash out.


keepinitreal

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Dewy scouring the wicked internet
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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
TheNarrator

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It's not known what all he has done to remain in the US. 

http://www.benachcollopy.com/2018/01/didnt-just-become-citizen-immigration-lawyer-analyzes-recent-deportation/


Then it is hard to blame the Obama administration for signing his deportation order.

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Will_I_Wynn

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I'm relatively certain Administrations don't sign orders to deport.  ICE and the Courts take care of that.  Administrations can give extensions to delay orders of removal which the Obama Administration gave to this man.
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A gullible nation is a vulnerable nation.  Challenge what you read on the internet.  Our nation's security is in our hands.  Don't be duped by misinformation.

The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

Just keep on offending people and then looking dumbfounded when they sometimes lash out.


uwApoligist

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"The decision to deport him, she explained, came from a lawyer's error in the paperwork that they submitted"

https://www.bustle.com/p/why-was-jorge-garcia-deported-ice-speaks-out-on-why-it-separated-him-from-his-family-7927673

If you are going to live somewhere illegally may want to get a good lawyer.

Also Jorge does not qualify for DACA, so is not a DACA case.  He was already too old when DACA was first enacted.

We shall await Dems next hard luck case to justify their illegal immigration over Americans position.
Will_I_Wynn

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"I thought I had seen where that dude was deported because he crossed the law (other than being here illegally - like for pot or something)."


Even this forum can be a whacky site in the internet where misinformation is submitted in an ongoing attempt to divide Americans.  Due diligence.


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A gullible nation is a vulnerable nation.  Challenge what you read on the internet.  Our nation's security is in our hands.  Don't be duped by misinformation.

The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

Just keep on offending people and then looking dumbfounded when they sometimes lash out.


Lost_1

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Lefty logic:


We need more gun laws to prevent....


We will ignore immigration law because....

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uwApoligist

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Will_I_Wynn
"I thought I had seen where that dude was deported because he crossed the law (other than being here illegally - like for pot or something)."


Even this forum can be a whacky site in the internet where misinformation is submitted in an ongoing attempt to divide Americans.  Due diligence.


Do me a favor.  Say goodby to Jorge for me. 
keepinitreal

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Originally Posted by uwApoligist
We shall await Dems next hard luck case to justify their illegal immigration over Americans position.


Countdown clock?

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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
woody

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Quote:
Originally Posted by keepinitreal


Fully agree, woody may not, next question?


If you support the DACA "chilren", what about their illegal parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles?

What about the illegal parents and extended families of anchor babies??

What about a blanket amnesty for 40 million illegals?

That's what the scope of the above is.

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woody

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Immigration "reform" is like incremental gun control. A little bit at a time, and then the slippery slope to Hell.
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If Obama hadn’t illegally created CACA we wouldn’t be in this situation.
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