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Long enough to compile an uninspiring 42-116 record.
Jesus, that's bad, ha. I had no idea. Well at least he can call pops and get his old job back.
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UVA is a terrible job. There's no commitment to winning there. The facility is a joke, hidden away from campus behind an intramural complex.  Duke coming online will only make recruiting to hooville more difficult.  
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Terpalum is probably right but even with the losing record, Virginia seemed to be getting better despite the poor facilities.  Saw them play a few times this year and they have some talent.  Rumors are Miller's coaching style is way over the top abrasive, and it's hell to play for him.
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I wonder how much the EE situation led to this separation, if at all
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How did Miller treat his players? Same with EE? Here's the situation, bad players cause most of the problems on a team. Great players respond to coaching and do what is needed. The players who aren't as dedicated and sometimes less talented are the ones who generally create the problems. Heaven forbid a coach yell at a player who continually does not do what they are told. Women coaches can practically do and say whatever they want to their players and for the most part get away with it. (See Georgia and North Carolina). Mothers who at home scream at their kids, get incensed when a coach yells at little Sally who can't remember signs or plays like they have never set foot on a softball field. I have seen it up close and it is a joke.
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How did Miller treat his players? Same with EE? Here's the situation, bad players cause most of the problems on a team. Great players respond to coaching and do what is needed. The players who aren't as dedicated and sometimes less talented are the ones who generally create the problems. Heaven forbid a coach yell at a player who continually does not do what they are told. Women coaches can practically do and say whatever they want to their players and for the most part get away with it. (See Georgia and North Carolina). Mothers who at home scream at their kids, get incensed when a coach yells at little Sally who can't remember signs or plays like they have never set foot on a softball field. I have seen it up close and it is a joke.
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Also a lot of generalizations. Lol Because it's rarely the coach just being a bad coach right?

I have found coaches that yell just to yell, are doing so because they don't know how to fix the problem. How is that for generalization.

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My experience skews toward a few of those generalities.... but that's just one person
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My experience skews toward a few of those generalities.... but that's just one person


I don't disagree with all of the generalities 3LT. But he was responding specifically about the former UVA coach with those generalities. Is he saying that the reason UVA struggled was simply because the players didn't try hard or didn't listen? Or was this just a further installment of his beef with TerpAlum and their male coach vs female coach battle.

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Gender had nothing to do with my response, to be clear
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There's a time and place for yelling. Some people just don't get it when you discuss their mental mistakes. It's human nature. If you yell all the time about everything it won't work and creates a bad environment. Some of you have never coached at the college level and have not experienced the lack of concentration and the disregard for rules and other things. If a player doesn't hustle in practice or is not paying attention, guess what, I am going to yell at them. If they can't take that then go play for Mr. or Mrs. nice person. And by the way, get a job one day and get a boss who is demanding and see if you get treated well when you goof off. We worry too much about how sensitive these "young ladies" are, but these same young ladies can be just as rude, ruthless and insensitive as it gets.
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I always thought Pat Summitt was a good coach. She never mollycoddled her players. And yes, she was known to yell.
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Gender had nothing to do with my response, to be clear


Clearly. In the original generalities post, TruDat could have ended the post prior to the female coach and mama comments, that was simply a jab at TerpAlum. But whatever.


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Pat Summit is a woman. It's ok to yell.
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There's a time and place for yelling. Some people just don't get it when you discuss their mental mistakes. It's human nature. If you yell all the time about everything it won't work and creates a bad environment. Some of you have never coached at the college level and have not experienced the lack of concentration and the disregard for rules and other things. If a player doesn't hustle in practice or is not paying attention, guess what, I am going to yell at them. If they can't take that then go play for Mr. or Mrs. nice person. And by the way, get a job one day and get a boss who is demanding and see if you get treated well when you goof off. We worry too much about how sensitive these "young ladies" are, but these same young ladies can be just as rude, ruthless and insensitive as it gets.




There are juat as many poor coaches out there as good coaches. When a school has a bad coach, a very coachable and respectful athlete will listen to and make adjustment and do everything that is asked and could still have poor results. Is that the athlete's fault? Let's just not pretend that every coach out there is a great communicator and teacher. On sites like this, the discussion is centered around top level programs and players. The only time UVA has been brought up the past 4 years is when they changed coaches.

When you combine poor coaching and under talented players, you get poor results. When you combine poor coaching and talented players you can still get poor results.

Good coaches will get the best out of their players. They will get buy in and they will win more than they lose, even with less talented players. Poor coaches will allow cancers to grow, will not have earned the respect of their players, will not get the best out of them and will lose more than they win.

While I agree that there are bad kids on teams all across the country, blaming poor results only on the kids is a little disingenuous and self serving.

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Pat Summit is a woman. It's ok to yell.


This! 100% agree.
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Well he sucks too.  Gonna enjoy watching him choke again this post season.  My Grandma could've stepped into Oregon and made it a winner and she's been dead 30 years.  


I would not go all the way to your grandma, but I do agree that he has received more credit than is due to date; similar to a President of the United States receiving credit for "Job Creation" in the private sector.

The pudding will prove his acumen going forward through this post season and especially beginning next season.


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Just curious on Mike White. What aspect of his coaching do you think is inadequate? I know he was a great pitcher but don't know much about his coaching style or strengths and weaknesses.
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There are just as many poor coaches out there as good coaches.  
Well, yeah.  By definition if you line up a group and rank order them, half will be in the top half ("good") and half will be in the...umm... bottom half ("poor").   Just as many.   [smile]

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Just curious on Mike White. What aspect of his coaching do you think is inadequate? I know he was a great pitcher but don't know much about his coaching style or strengths and weaknesses.
 Jumping in on this one...

i've posted some negative comments on Mike White regarding his intrusive and destructive meddling on behalf of his daughter in the Rittman fiasco at Stanford.   But give credit where it is due in regards to coaching... he is a great coach.   He recruits wells.  He coaches up well.  He improves his hitters by pitching tough to them in practice.   He is a master at picking and calling incoming pitches to his batters.   he is ultra competitive, which you can take as a weakness or a strength depending on your values.  People I trust who know what they're talking about have said that if they're daughter were playing today, they'd point them in his direction.

I do not know why his teams have underperformed recently once they get to Supers and OKC... time will tell whether that is a coincidence, or somehow related to his coaching style.   And if the latter, whether he is capable of adjusting the way he prepares teams for the big show.

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Well, yeah.  By definition if you line up a group and rank order them, half will be in the top half ("good") and half will be in the...umm... bottom half ("poor").   Just as many.   [smile]


Poor and great then, typical bell curve I'd assume. We all see things from our own perspective, but that doesn't mean that our perspective is correct. Just correct for us. [wink] right?

You've been around long enough to know that there are some not so good coaches teaching players not very well. And it is more than just a few.

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 Jumping in on this one...

i've posted some negative comments on Mike White regarding his intrusive and destructive meddling on behalf of his daughter in the Rittman fiasco at Stanford.   But give credit where it is due in regards to coaching... he is a great coach.   He recruits wells.  He coaches up well.  He improves his hitters by pitching tough to them in practice.   He is a master at picking and calling incoming pitches to his batters.   he is ultra competitive, which you can take as a weakness or a strength depending on your values.  People I trust who know what they're talking about have said that if they're daughter were playing today, they'd point them in his direction.

I do not know why his teams have underperformed recently once they get to Supers and OKC... time will tell whether that is a coincidence, or somehow related to his coaching style.   And if the latter, whether he is capable of adjusting the way he prepares teams for the big show.


I think there's a learning curve at the WCWS level, where the margin is slim.

Took Hutch and Murphy a while to break through IIRC.

Whatever people think of Mike White in regards to the Stanford deal -- and I don't know enough about that to have an opinion one way or the other -- to deny he's an upper-tier coach is IMO quite incorrect. He knows the game and recruits well and gets his athletes to perform.
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There's nothing wrong with being a demanding coach, but keep in mind that the girls who are on a D1 level were playing year around in high school, traveling long distances to practices, and lots of times playing for travel coaches who are just as demanding as college coaches.  It's rationalizing and not right to blame mental weakness or poor skills on the part of the girls, or that the girls are lazy or prima donnas, as the reasons these coaches fail.  Some coaches have huge egos, or they are on a power trip, and they go to extremes with physical demands on the girls because they think more must always be better.  There definitely is a limit, and that's why the smart and successful coaches recognize that you can overpractice or yell so much that you break your player's confidence and their excitement to play for you as a coach or to even play the game.  That's really a shame too when you think how much time and effort some of these girls have put in to get to the level they are at.  And don't forget that some of these girls can't bear the hostile atmosphere so they drop out, so they are spent mentally AND they don't get an education.  Coaches need to have interpersonal skills, but some coaches just don't have them.  You get the most out of your players by developing their physical skills and their mental approach to the game.  Sure, there are athletes on D1 teams that were recruiting mistakes, but there are more than a few coaches out there who don't have the maturity or the disposition to be in charge.  
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UVA is a terrible job. There's no commitment to winning there. The facility is a joke, hidden away from campus behind an intramural complex.  Duke coming online will only make recruiting to hooville more difficult.  


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How did Miller treat his players? Same with EE? Here's the situation, bad players cause most of the problems on a team. Great players respond to coaching and do what is needed. The players who aren't as dedicated and sometimes less talented are the ones who generally create the problems. Heaven forbid a coach yell at a player who continually does not do what they are told. Women coaches can practically do and say whatever they want to their players and for the most part get away with it. (See Georgia and North Carolina). Mothers who at home scream at their kids, get incensed when a coach yells at little Sally who can't remember signs or plays like they have never set foot on a softball field. I have seen it up close and it is a joke.


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Just curious on Mike White. What aspect of his coaching do you think is inadequate? I know he was a great pitcher but don't know much about his coaching style or strengths and weaknesses.


Communication with players and overall program culture are the weak spots in my opinion.  I don't think you will ever hear ex-players extoll his virtues and relationships with him like you hear about some other coaches. 
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I would have expected more movement by now.
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Let's see what happens next week. It is kinda quiet ...

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The UMBC job is an interesting one. UMBC is quite the academic institution.
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