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JoiseyGuy

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Susan - No.   
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A republican president and senate is only the first step.  Then people have to stay active and really make sure they get some things accomplished to get govt out of economy, balanced budget amendment, and probably the hardest, term limits.  

Dinger - yes Perry is another big politician, but he is more in the right direction and he is electable.  You and POV been watching to much mainstream media.  Yea, the tea party is not perfect, but at least they are going in the correct direction.

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Susan, have you researched the connection between the mega-billionaires and the TP that I suggested?  If not then you are deluding yourself.  I have no doubt that you are sincere in your passion and your grass roots beliefs but what you are wishing for is by no means what they will deliver.

You owe it to yourself and your children to do so. 



As far as Mr. Perry goes.....this guy will say/do anything....literally anything to get elected.  Mandating vaccines for 12 year old girls to pay back a corporate contributor should signal a massive red flag.  Check this guy's involvement in the Cameron Todd Willington case for who he signed the death sentence, but was unwilling to consider findings by a forensic committee who's findings suggested he was innocent, (actually he then fired them).....but he's never been much of a science guy. (Crazy thing is, he seems proud of it?  No wonder the educational system in Tx. is a couple ticks from the bottom).  But didn't he say, "We're the party of life. We ought to be coming up with ways to save lives."  

 Lots of cover ups for the Republican's own "Jim Jones".

Forensic panel asked to continue probe - UPI.com


But Susan, I suggest that you research this guy yourself...... with an open mind.  It's goes deep, very deep and there's so just so much more.   

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POV, you'd ask us to research some guy who supports Republican politics and yet, discount George Soros?

BTW, since the suggestion was that us Tea Party members are being lead by ... how does BHO avoid firing whomever arranged Fast and Furious?  BTW, how high up in the administration did this outrageous program go?  Why no details on this?
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I certainly don't have any problem with the Koch brothers. They provide a lot of jobs for thousands of families and I know that they donate a lot of money to non-profit organizations. The Koch's are good for our economy. I am not sure how POV can complain about their influence in the Tea Party when George Soros is the biggest democrat donor. Soros makes $billions$ betting against our economy. No wonder he wants democrats in office. The value of our dollar goes down and he profits.

dinger said "sbmom - you are the kind of person that can be fooled by the kind of person Rick Perry is .....and if there are enough of you, then I fear for our country. Be careful what you wish for....."
dinger, over half the country was fooled by Obama and look at what he has done to this country. At this point, I would take a high school class president over Obama. Fortunately about 70% of the country agrees with people like me and sbmom.
I heard Imus the other day saying that he didn't think Obama was trashing our economy on purpose, he just thinks that Obama is incompetent and in way over his head. His latest "jobs bill" is a joke and while he is going around chanting "Pass this bill!" The bill has not even been brought to the floor yeet because he can't find a democrat to support it.

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Rick "pretty boy" Perry, who believes in secession, no federal government at all, etc... just praised the gov of Iowa - for giving big tax breaks to Microsoft to get 100 jobs- WOW, now that is giving a helping hand up - isn't it? Meanwhile, the gov shut all the Workforce development offices, but complained when the post office wanted to shut some inefficient post offices - that happened to be located in buildings he owns! Gee - good thing these guys are out for our interests - right?



If he believes in no federal government at all, then why was he so willing to take over $16 billion in stimulus funds - from the federal government - that helped to create all those jobs he always crows about?  Texas was third in recipients, only CA & NY got more money.

Money received

Seems like the Republicans want it both ways - less government but it's OK to take stimulus money.

Candidates bash stimulus

And maybe things aren't so rosy in TX after all:

TX unemployment highest in 24 years
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I'll let you guys be cynical and I'll listen to people who believe as I do that big government is out of control.  



As a result of a tragic attack on our homeland and some serious security concerns over the possibility of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the last Administration entered into two wars.  Thousands of brave soldiers gave the ultimate sacrifice and this Country spent billions of dollars in these efforts.  Unfortunately, we failed to capture the mastermind behind the attack or to find the weapons believed to be in Iraq.  Eventually, this Country splintered over whether our enhanced interrogation techniques were in fact torture and split even wider over whether our surveillance methods were an intrusion into our privacy rights.  Seven years later we remained immersed in both wars, still searching for a satisfying end result, while fighting over everything from prisoners at Guantanamo to the nation building in Iraq.
 
As if times weren't difficult enough, our financial system crashed, the stock market collapsed, and we lost millions of jobs as we entered our second recession in seven years.  If ever there were a time where this Country was spiraling out of control, it was then.  If ever there be a period of time that should never be forgotten by any of us, it would be then.
 
Senators Obama and Clinton pursued the Presidency in 2008.  Both campaigned on who would pass the better universal health policy and who could do better a job to wind down and eventually end these wars.  Senator Obama eventually won the nomination, then the Presidency, which one would assume provided sufficient mandate for him to pursue both these policies.  Not surprisingly, soon into his Presidency he succeeded in passing a version of national health insurance.  It was not as good as Democrats wanted and against everything Republicans support, leading to some dissatisfaction in all camps.  In my opinion, this means he probably found the right middle ground, not unlike the Erskine/Bowles Commission recommendations which were equally unacceptable to both sides thus supporting the belief by many that we probably should have passed them too.  Under this Administration, we have eliminated Bin Laden, reduced casualties of war, and begun winding down our involvement in both Afghanistan and Iraq.  Again, we haven't moved nearly as fast as Democrats expected and are certainly leaving earlier than Republicans were recommending which, in my opinion, means we're probably on the right timeline again.  Time will tell if these two Countries hold together once we're gone but ten years is ten years.  In the end, I suppose if they do fail, it will be blamed on this current President for not investing more time to fix these tragedies.
 
Speaking of time allowed to mend tragic problems, this brings me to the financial collapse of 2008.  A new President suffering tens of thousands of lost jobs monthly is urged by economists to pump money into this economy to avoid the recession turning to all out depression.  He and Congress agree and job losses eventually turn to job gains, the official definition of a recession ends in 2009, the 2010 GDP sets a record, big corporation profits are huge, and the stock market has recovered dramatically.  Unfortunately, unemployment is down from a peak of 10% and holding steady at around 9.1%, which is abysmal, and the hunt for a solution to our job crisis continues.  With the political climate as it is, this President may not be given a similar 7 years to resolve this great American crisis.  To add to his troubles, divided Government has returned, we've threatened the world with debt default, oil prices have spiked, and many global economies and their financial situations are in dire straits.  A combination of all these factors has helped turn our economy downward and are threatening to make it worse.  Indeed, these are difficult times, to say the least, but they're a far cry from what I know to be an out of control Country unless you mean out of Republican control.  I can only hope we don't intend on returning there anytime soon.  As always, these thoughts are meant to represent my own personal perspective.  
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Dewey,  thedems have caused all the calamatous economy in this country.  community reinvestment act! Bush tried to do something but the dems in the senate ( schumer and reid in particular )said fannie freddie and housing was just fine.  So you ca keep blaming Bush and the repubs but I dont think that is working anymore. Dewey even the dems dont like what this guy is coming out with cause he is such an ideologue and incompetent president.  As far as the wars, I was heartened he was initially following Bush's lead.  But when he started thinking he knows more then his generals and pulling more people ou than what was recommended he lost me.  All for politics as his base was squirming.  I wont even address the torture as thats a joke.  

I think most people realize this man is not and has not been good for this country.

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sbmom, I have confronted Dewdy several times about the democrat's Community Reinvestment Act and how it caused the housing and banking crash which in turn started the recession. Each time he either ignores me or says he has to run out the door to go to a birthday party. You will never get him to admit that the democrats have any responsibility for the recession. It doesn't matter to him that the economy was doing great (4.6 unemployment?) until San Fan Nan and Hairy Reid took complete control of both the house and senate.
The bottom line is that there are only about 6 people left in the US that believe Obama is doing a good job and 5 of them are in this forum.

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Dewdy, I rarely read all the way through any of your lengthy posts because they are so full of dew-lusional perspectives that they are a waste of time. Let me correct a few of your Dew-lusions from your latest novel.
You said that Obama campaigned on universal health care, yet I don't remember him mentioning that more than a time or two. His campaign talking points EVERY day were 3 things:
1)Transperancy in government (every bill would be posted on the net before passed)
2) Fiscal responsibility / reducing the debt & deficit (which he PROMISED he would cut in half in his first 2 years)
3) Changing the way Washington works.
Now, what grade would YOU give him on each of these 3 things?
edit: Oh I almost forgot! Tax cuts for 95% of Americans (even though only 50% pay federal income taxes). To be fair he did come through on that one. In fact a person making $50K per year actually gets to take home an extra $11 a week now!! Woo Hooo!!
Of course this enables him to go around trumpeting that he cut taxes on the majority of Americans. Never mind the fact that he raised taxes on them in 20 other areas.



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JD - You have a point on #3, and that is the root of a very big problem.  The concept of checks and balances was meant to create just what it says to usurp the power of any potential tyrant, but our founding fathers didn't anticipate current  Two Party politics.  If I were capable of being a cartoonist, I would draw a cartoon of a group behind a huge wall (with  a Congress bubble above their heads), snickering and giggling "he, he, he" while a President (any President) beats his head on the opposite part of the wall.  I still think that the System has betrayed we citizens.    
PS - On a few posts, Susan is beginning to sound like you, at least on her lead in sentences. You haven't again, or have you?  

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Dewey,

In your previous post, you continually referenced BHO and Congress working together.  Have you forgotten that the Republicans could not stop anything until the election of Brown?  BHO made it his goal to forgo the economy and true to his socialistic nature, he wanted his health care bill passed.  (Socialistic nature is not the same as saying he is a socialist.)  He allowed all of this to happen and yet, he and you and the Democratic Party continue to play the blame game regarding the economy.  You mentioned that it didn't take long for the health care bill to pass.  Per my recollections, that bill took two years.  Am I remembering wrong?  BTW, that is the same congressional makeup that passed the Community Reinvestment Act.  Wow was that a good idea. 

Why have you not addressed Solyndra, Lightsquared, and Fast and Furious if you are trying to convince me/us that BHO is such a great leader?  Why have you not addressed the dozens of failed campaign promises?

  1. Transparency!  CSPAN?  Example the American Recovery Act was signed immediately after Congress passed it.  It was put on the WH website in a way that Americans could not do a simple search to find it's content.
  2. Sunlight Before Signing - Bill put on line for 5 days before it is signed.
  3. $4000 tax credit for every child attending college.  Yes, he promised that.
  4. Earmark Reform -- Wow talk about a big lie.
  5. No Lobbyist in his administration.  Wow, talk about a bigger lie.  In 2007 BHO bragged that he didn't take a dime of lobbyist money.  He said that they would find no place in his administration.  So, "no dime?"  He took 3.8 million from 10 lobbyist alone and that was a sample.  I guess he told the truth about the dime.  The Lord only knows how many lobbyist have worked in his administration.
Well, I could go on.  Hey Bush was no Saint but he's not the President now.  This president has consistently proven untrustworthy.  BTW, just this past week some Republican's asked BHO how he can be on the campaign trail promoting his "Jobs Bill" and demanding, "Pass this bill now" when, in fact, it has not been introduced to the House.  What's up with that?  Of course the main stream media is covering that aren't they?   
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In one of our more intelligent cultural  fables. we are given access to a perspective that just might permeate some posts in Miscellaneous.  It is the tale of the rooster who is positive that the sun rises because he crows.  If we take that perspective, we learn little to nothing and agitate many with a narrow perspective that some regard  as a "truth" for everyone because it is "convenient" for them.  So it goes.          
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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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Have you forgotten that the Republicans could not stop anything until the election of Brown


.....guess who got him elected?  Guess who he represents? 

 Hint: It's not the people 
 
 
Think Progress has a tape of Brown thanking David Koch for supporting has last Senate campaign and hitting him up for the next one – in 2012. – Koch is co-owner of one of the ten most toxic air polluters in the US and a key backer of efforts to gut the Clean Air Act. So Brown was elected thanks in part to money from one of America’s dirtiest polluters; and he’s on tape making it clear he’s coming back for more, explaining that “We’re already banging away.” Is it any wonder he wants to block the safeguards that would make Koch and other polluters clean up their messes?

 

Just some perspective on who owns the Republicans.




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Ohh Nooooo!! The evil Koch brothers!! They donated to the campaigns of several republicans!! We can't have that!! Someone call George Soros quick!
Those evil Koch brothers, you know the ones who provide thousands of jobs for people who COULD be receiving government cheese. Those dirty bastages! They have the nerve to be in the petroleum industry! Not to mention fertilizers! Don't they realize that the democrats have cornered the market on crap?

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CoachB25 - I'm not trying to convince you per say but to point out to our readers that "out of control Government" is a personal perspective from someone on the Right and I wanted to reemphasize a different view from the Left.  Today, despite your four listed concerns that are mostly applicable to many months ago, the status of this Country, in my opinion, does not come anywhere close to the devastating times we were experiencing three plus years ago.  In fact, if we can solve unemployment and our long term debt picture, we should be on the verge of some very positive times. 

Secondly, I don't believe I characterized this President as "great" or "poor" in my post and, other than 14 months being too long for some to use the word "soon", I think most of my facts were accurate.  Finally, I believe campaigning with the phrase "pass this bill now" simply means asap.
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Folks now you see what I am talking about when I say he is Dew-Lusional! Anyone who thinks our country is better off with 9.1 unemployment and 16 trillion in debt instead of 7% unemployment and 10.5 trillion in debt is Dew-Lusional.


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Jack Dandy - If you are not the most sarcastic human being on the planet, you are vying for the lead.  It is difficult to take anything you say as serious  when your purpose appears to be that of simply making fun of or ridiculing posters who disagree with your stance.  You have become a caricature of yourself.    
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Joisey, I just want to be good at something. Sarcasm seems to be my best gig
Plus I do throw in a few facts along the way, (like unemployment numbers and debt numbers) which makes it cut even deeper.
Never the less, thank you for finally noticing my skill set.

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Jack Dandy -Yes, you do "throw in" some useful numbers, and I appreciate that, but often they get lost in your need to be overly sarcastic and personal with those who disagree with your ideas. What you refer to as "your best gig" seems to double in your case as what the ancient Athenians called a person's  "tragic flaw".     Frank  
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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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Folks now you see what I am talking about when I say he is Dew-Lusional! Anyone who thinks our country is better off with 9.1 unemployment and 16 trillion in debt instead of 7% unemployment and 10.5 trillion in debt is Dew-Lusional.



Of course the country is not in a better position and from what I learned in my statistics class we can't quantify a "what if"....that is all opinion.

I look at the American economy like one of the doctors looking at an overweight heart attack patient in the operation room. The young days were spent indulging despite warning that the body would not be able to continue at the rate. It continued when the patient put on his conservative or liberal clothes. The patient wrote a blank check and now his body is the price he has to pay.

The emotions are riding high outside of the operating room as many didn't see this coming. Family member point the finger at one another to the point there is no talking to each other. Even the doctors are split on what direction to go and there bickering goes on while the patient lays on the table.




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Mr. Bolton - I'm curious if you read POV and Dinger's comments in the same way you read Jack Dandy's? From my perspective they are very similar, meaning all are sarcastic and personal towards those with whom they disagree. And yet, you have not chosen to reprimand either of them. I have to wonder if this too is a matter of perspective and that maybe given yours, you can't see those for what they are.

I'm only point this out because from my perspective each side (liberal and conservative) on this forum seems to have hostility toward the other and it is apparent in all of their posts. Yet, all I read over and over is that the Concervatives are hostile while the Liberals are just making their points in a congenial manner.

I urge you to read back through these exchanges with a more open mind and you will see that both side are hostile. In fact, if you have had the opportunity to view the recent Republican debates, you would have witnessed hostility amongst the candidates. It appears to me that politics makes for hostility, even between those on the same side.
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Well thankfully LMSS, we do have the benefit of past experience as well as other countries experiences. I can tell you that the Socialist and Marxist models are complete failures. Past experience also tells us that you can't spend your way out of a recession (especially if that spending only goes to your union thug friends).  
I would say that the best model is that of Ronald Reagan who told us that government is the problem, not the solution.

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spinstopshere - Honestly, I see no comparison, and I am willing to learn from either perspective.  Neither of those posters you name , though sometimes guilty of some sarcasm, can hold a candle to Jack Dandy.  The tones would be like comparing a rapier to a knitting needle.  Both can cut, but the rapier can cut and slash more, and maybe even deeper.  I do thank you for your polite enquiry though.   Frank
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He is a Democrat but former President Clinton can clearly spell out many of the problems facing this Country today.  Hope you had a chance to catch him on Sunday TV...

Face the Nation 

Meet the Press
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Well thankfully LMSS, we do have the benefit of past experience as well as other countries experiences. I can tell you that the Socialist and Marxist models are complete failures. Past experience also tells us that you can't spend your way out of a recession (especially if that spending only goes to your union thug friends).  
I would say that the best model is that of Ronald Reagan who told us that government is the problem, not the solution.


We do have history and in the 1920s, then Republican president Hoover decided the government should not intervene in business matters and the recession became a depression.

I know that most people on this board tend to pull for a certain ideology. I don't believe it is the method as much as how it is delivered.

Again I believe economics is behavior and not a science. Newton's Laws of motion....work every time. Will work on different continents, different eras, doesn't matter what your educational or social economic status.

Consider Hoover and his policies. He believe like Regan also believed tht government should get out the way.  As the country hit a recession his administration felt it was best for the country if government left business to itself.

Roosevelt didn't agree with Hoover  government grew under his command, but so did the economy.

Again because I don't view economics or politics as a science...I don't belive there is any absolutes. No party, no administration, no person has cornered all the good ideas and left the other side with none. Egos and emotions have gotten involved so that exchange of ideas are gone.

Sometimes I wish that I was raised to believe in one party, support the party guy...as it seems much easier to to stand behind army and say the other guys are wrong we are correct. taking the time to to find others with independent ideas or solutions is a toil. Reading the back and forth between the two sides...well it is actually funny as the only time one complains is when the other gets a foot up.....then there is the retaliation reply....followed by the complaint from the other side then retaliation reply.

Frank - I will get a copy of that book and read it




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Sometimes I wish that I was raised to believe in one party, support the party guy...



LMSS - Funny you should write this as I'm having the same conversation with another member offline.  I'm similarly amazed by those who have not aligned themselves to one party or the other.

How does someone who is against most all abortions, would prefer to see prayer made available in our public schools, and believes public sector unions are doing a disservice to this Country vote for a Democrat for President?  If I'm concerned our social programs are being phased out or privatized, how do I vote Republican?  It wouldn't be much of a consolation for me to elect a wonderful, honest, and hard working President just to see him/her dismantle Medicare and SS during his/her term.  I could go on and on with similar examples.

I understand there are folks who will favor two issues that aren't both adopted by a single Party but, even here, I suspect eventually these people prioritize one issue and, in time, one Party.  I'm at a loss how the everyday political issues don't force the hands of voters and eventually align them with one political party.

Of course we have independents among us and I imagine they include those who don't follow politics closely along with many who, as they say, simply vote their pocketbook.  As for the many other independents who can cross from Party to Party, depending on the individual running, how do you explain away my bewilderment that general issues haven't previously defined your decision?  I did similar for thirty some years but, I'll admit, I wasn't paying very close attention.    

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Allow me to take just a moment to declare that no one on this board is responsible for my posts except me.  If you have a problem with my posts, address me.....directly.  To do otherwise is gutless, cowardly and suggests a genetic link to one of the "ususal suspects".

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He is a Democrat but former President Clinton can clearly spell out many of the problems facing this Country today.  Hope you had a chance to catch him on Sunday TV...

Face the Nation 

Meet the Press
I saw that Dewey, and President Clinton was walking the razors edge. Trying to be supportive of President Obama and the Democratic Party, while acknowledging in some part the failures of the current and past administrations and the economic struggles facing the nation. He is being asked to be a spokesman for the next Stimulus package. He would not say it, but there is some remaining anger over the primary campaign, and He in my opinion believes his spouse was the better choice for President. He is a good politician, and will be there to support whatever the Democratic Party decides to throw out there in an attempt to hold onto power. He is a much better statesman than Jimmy Carter. I wonder that if in the future, George Bush might at some time be asked commit his experience to the FTN and MTP by giving interviews, and if so, would He find such a gracious and charming interview session ensuing?

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Well thankfully LMSS, we do have the benefit of past experience as well as other countries experiences. I can tell you that the Socialist and Marxist models are complete failures. Past experience also tells us that you can't spend your way out of a recession (especially if that spending only goes to your union thug friends).  
I would say that the best model is that of Ronald Reagan who told us that government is the problem, not the solution.


We do have history and in the 1920s, then Republican president Hoover decided the government should not intervene in business matters and the recession became a depression.

I know that most people on this board tend to pull for a certain ideology. I don't believe it is the method as much as how it is delivered.

Again I believe economics is behavior and not a science. Newton's Laws of motion....work every time. Will work on different continents, different eras, doesn't matter what your educational or social economic status.

Consider Hoover and his policies. He believe like Regan also believed tht government should get out the way.  As the country hit a recession his administration felt it was best for the country if government left business to itself.

Roosevelt didn't agree with Hoover  government grew under his command, but so did the economy.

Again because I don't view economics or politics as a science...I don't belive there is any absolutes. No party, no administration, no person has cornered all the good ideas and left the other side with none. Egos and emotions have gotten involved so that exchange of ideas are gone.

Sometimes I wish that I was raised to believe in one party, support the party guy...as it seems much easier to to stand behind army and say the other guys are wrong we are correct. taking the time to to find others with independent ideas or solutions is a toil. Reading the back and forth between the two sides...well it is actually funny as the only time one complains is when the other gets a foot up.....then there is the retaliation reply....followed by the complaint from the other side then retaliation reply.

Frank - I will get a copy of that book and read it




LMSS you might consider that it was WWII that pulled our economy and manufacturing out of the hole. Government work programs, and soup kitchens only temporarily suppressed a revolt against authority during the depression.

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