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Dewey, 

 Maybe the Dems could just confiscate it and give it to the purpose they see as most beneficial to their priorities.

A similar comment from a very respectable Republican Governor did not go over too well on a recent edition of the "Daily Show".  I didn't enjoy the squirming this Governor experienced but the back and forth, (11 minutes in), spoke volumes, imo, regarding the perspectives different sides have with regards to taxes and rhetoric.
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Dewey - yes there were some big businesses that got lots of money like GE.  They have now stolen taxpayer money, teking our intelectual property and giving it to China and the jobs too.  That is Obamas buddy.  Stop with the big business BS!  Dems are more in bed with money and business than the repubs ever dreamt of being.  That is what funds their buying power!
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You need to read the article you posted Dewey, it shows that the Daily Show and it's Liberal audience was doing an attack job, and Stewart got his income facts from an article in vanity fair magazine written by a Liberal Economist. Did you read the whole article you posted, or just skim it before posting?
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woody - (A), I have to find sources that your side is willing to accept and, (B), nowhere does the article question the facts.  Yes, I read the whole article and, other than noting the bias of Stewart's audience, don't really see the attack implication.  I guess it's perspective again as the way I read it, those in this article sound like they're saying the Governor should probably have avoided these difficult interviews from the Left.  In any event, just watch the video if you're interested.

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was Cain on point or what?  
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Dewey, that is absolutely the worst video player ever invented. I finally got to watch it almost in it's entirety after 50 samsung commercials and another dozen bounce fabric softener ads. Not much being settled, Libs want to tax the rich, and keep the rhetoric from the right stifled, Mitch daniels offered up solutions that were not listened to. SS and growth of job producing companies. In the end it was tax the rich, and don't say things that the left finds offensive, but the rhetoric of the left is sacrosanct..
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To a new subject...

Did you agree with the decision to invade Iraq?  If so, why didn't you join the fight, assuming you didn't?  Does one have the right to be pro invasion while not contributing to the efforts?


I ask because I'm so tired of hearing Bill O'Reilly ask wealthy folks, who believe the tax rates are too low, why they don't simply donate more money to Uncle Sam.  Ridiculous.


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Dewey--Seriously???? Are you really asking that question and do you think it is really a fair analogy? I personally don't think there is anything wrong with Mr. O'Reillys comment. If you are advocating for the wealthy to pay more money to the federal government than they are required to, and you are in that category, why would you not lead the way? Start a movement. Be a leader. Show the rest of the greedy rich how much better a person you are than them. Why not??? That is not a rhetorical question. Why not?

P.S. I supported the military action Iraq, as did a LARGE number of democrats. I did not join in the fight as I am disbled and would have been a liability in the field of battle both for myself and those around me.

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Dewey--Seriously???? Are you really asking that question and do you think it is really a fair analogy? 



softballfanatic - Of course I do.  It's all I think about when he goes down this line of questioning.  It's as unfair as asking someone championing an invasion of Iraq if they were going to join.  And to your point, there's many ways to contribute to an effort including volunteering here at home.  It shouldn't be part of the debate though.  In any event, watching a Gov Christie clip, I learned how these folks should answer Bill...

  "It's none of your business if I pay extra taxes or not."

 

Edit:  To answer your question more directly, these wealthy people O'Reilly is interviewing aren't asking people to pay more than they are required to, but are asking them to support a higher tax rate in the law.  Secondly, if a significant number of the wealthy volunteer to pay extra funds, thus increasing the revenue to the Government to the point it allows the politicians to cut Corporate rates or capital gains taxes on others, they'd be getting burned.  I repeat, asking those who support higher tax rates to do it voluntarily is simply a deflection of the issue. 



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Dewey, really??? You are being disingenuous, and really reaching to new depths to support your cause. Abandon this, it is unsound logic you are using. You are now showing signs of panic and desperation seeing that your quest is lost.
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woody - I don't get you guys.  I think it's a great analogy.  Somebody says I think we should have higher tax rates and the opponent comes back with, "well then you should voluntarily pay them but don't make them go up for me".  Same thing when someone supports or promotes a war and I reply "well you put up the blood and treasure and leave me and my family out of it."  Neither of those responses are fair to those taking a position on these particular issues.

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At the moment, as we all have important moments that appear more important than general important things, USF is leading Pittsburgh 14-13 in football with 6 minutes remaining in the first half. I want USF to win despite that I grew up in Pittsburgh.  I played college football and coached high school football for 13 years, and there is a certain feeling in a game, and I don't feel good about this one.  Sunseri, Pitt's QB is a weapon that I don't think USF is ready for.  With despair I think that Pitt will win this one.  Damn !!  I hope I'm wrong.  I guess that you politicos know what I mean.  Graham is a great back for Pitt, but USF's defense is stinking up the stadium, and that's not a good combination for a USF victory.  Half time coaching will be huge !!   Frank
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If all you "far righties" see an election in which Obama wins a second term, will you bow down to Dewey as a prophet or slit your wrists?  No matter which way I vote, I will always admire Dewey as a man of principle who stood up to an enormous amount of far right vitriole in Miscellaneous.  Before you who oppose Dewey's ideas begin your usual vitriole, remember that I shall probably vote for Romney yet admire Dewey's stand.  He is admirable.   Some of his opponents here are not.   Yuk !!!   Frank
PS - Susan, I didn't attack anyone in particular.  If the shoe fits, look in the mirror.  

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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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Dewey--Seriously???? Are you really asking that question and do you think it is really a fair analogy? 



softballfanatic - Of course I do.  It's all I think about when he goes down this line of questioning.  It's as unfair as asking someone championing an invasion of Iraq if they were going to join.  And to your point, there's many ways to contribute to an effort including volunteering here at home.  It shouldn't be part of the debate though.  In any event, watching a Gov Christie clip, I learned how these folks should answer Bill...

  "It's none of your business if I pay extra taxes or not."

 

Edit:  To answer your question more directly, these wealthy people O'Reilly is interviewing aren't asking people to pay more than they are required to, but are asking them to support a higher tax rate in the law.  Secondly, if a significant number of the wealthy volunteer to pay extra funds, thus increasing the revenue to the Government to the point it allows the politicians to cut Corporate rates or capital gains taxes on others, they'd be getting burned.  I repeat, asking those who support higher tax rates to do it voluntarily is simply a deflection of the issue. 



Dewey-If wealthy individuals, or any individuals, are required to pay more taxes and the government continues to waste it, they'd be getting burned also.  I think many would agree to more taxes IF, and it's a big if, the government would prove that it can quit wasting and stealing taxpayer dollars.  It's not a secret but yet it continues to occur.  The United States GAO produced a lengthy report outlining all of the waste in our government and once again, NOTHING gets done.  Why?  They probably need a commission to read it for them, another commission to priortize the recommendations and a third commission to implement.  Commission equates to no accountability.  Now that the public gets it, future commissions will be called something else. 

What is the end game?  A revolution?  We can't get troops to the border to protect our country but watch how fast they get troops to DC if the common folks revolt.
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Revolution?....Nah......That's the point the Government and religion gets together to control the people.....Revolution successfully aborted......People fooled!

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Before you who oppose Dewey's ideas begin your usual vitriole, remember that I shall probably vote for Romney yet admire Dewey's stand.  


JG - We need to talk.   jk.  In any event, I thank you sir.  Please know it goes both ways.
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Dewey-If wealthy individuals, or any individuals, are required to pay more taxes and the government continues to waste it, they'd be getting burned also.  I think many would agree to more taxes IF, and it's a big if, the government would prove that it can quit wasting and stealing taxpayer dollars.  


BombsAway - Thanks.  This was Mr. O'Reilly's other argument and this one is fair.  That said, we can find wasteful spending with regards to our kids, our family's budget, a travel team, and likely every business across this nation.  Of course there is waste in Government and I know of no one who doesn't want to see it come to an end.  As for stealing taxpayer money, there we certainly disagree.  In any event, reducing waste should in no way interfere with all the other issues in which we are trying to come to a consensus. 
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Dewey - what a reach!  You and Jg are special people.  You constantly say the right side attacks your personal character but you do it as much to the right if not more.  

Dewey your comparison is disgusting to justify your viewpoint! Yes I would go to war!

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Yeah what are you talking about, Joisey never says anything mean or personal.

Oops! On 9/20/11 JoiseyGuy said:
"Susan - Yes, unfortunately you do act elitist and as though you know it all from a very narrow perspective.  UNFORTUNATE.  I thought you had more intellect than that.   Frank "

This is just the most recent of many examples.

JoiseyGuy = Mother of all hypocrits!
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There are Republicans here that are totally against a national health care act that promotes insurance for all.  In their opinion, it’s not the role of the Feds.  They don't think Federal Government should require insurance companies to lift their limits of insurance and pay for sick folks until they completely recover.  They can't agree with a federal law that doesn't
allow kicking sick folks off insurance rolls for whatever reason.  Simply put, these folks don't believe the Government has a role in making preventive or necessary health care a "right" for every individual.
 
These same folks don't believe the Government should have saved the auto industry.  Supporting a major industry in this Country is not her role.  Same goes for supporting the many workers who lost their jobs in this economic crisis through no fault of their own.  We'll provide a little help but after that, you're on your own.  This is not a nanny state.
 
I understand where these people are coming from but I totally disagree with them.  That said, I have no desire to debate them point by point.  It would serve no purpose.  We're 180 degrees apart in our thinking and I'd rather let our readers weigh these positions and make up their own mind.
 
I have equally different viewpoints when applied to foreign policy.  The last
Administration loved to hype the fact they kept us all safe.  Well, it's been nearly three more years under team Obama and we still remain relatively safe.  Oh I know, that can change on any given day.  But with that in mind, how often do you hear the other side champion how safe recent times have been?  That argument has mostly subsided and I suppose our readers understand why.  Keeping the Country safe is an old Republican campaign
message that no longer serves a purpose.
 
The last Administration struggled to end our two wars and now they're both coming to an end thanks to team Obama.  Many of the terrorists the previous Administration were unable to capture have now been eliminated by this current team.  On top of that, we have eliminated yet another tyrant in Libya, with great support from this Administration and without
the loss of one American life.  How anyone could avoid crediting the many foreign policy successes of this Administration is beyond me.
 
Economically speaking, team Obama has made significant gains.  The last Administration was losing hundreds of thousands of jobs monthly and this team stepped in and stabilized the situation.  Team Obama also stabilized a negative GDP growth and turned it positive.
Finally, they stabilized a rising unemployment rate that now hovers at 9%.  The patient did not die but there are those out in the lobby who wonder why the patient is not up walking around already.  Easy for them to say while on the outside looking in but one can certainly understand the motive behind their criticism. 
 
There can be no denying this Administration has made significant progress in protecting this Country while at the same time improving one of the greatest economic crises we'll ever experience in our lifetime.  I can't begin to think what a different Administration could have done to achieve any more.  An absent Government, the type championed by so many on the right of the political spectrum, would have been a complete disaster in addressing both our economic and security concerns.  
 
I don't mean to mislead as we're far from an economic recovery and many of our problems remain quite significant.  These times are as difficult as anyone could imagine and solutions are deeply needed.  With that in mind, I challenge all who follow our posts in the misc forum to go beyond the day to day partisan attacks and fairly analyze the record of this Administration and the response from their opponents.  In the end, you'll determine the direction of this Country.
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There are Republicans here that are totally against a national health care act that promotes insurance for all.  In their opinion, it’s not the role of the Feds.  They don't think Federal Government should require insurance companies to lift their limits of insurance and pay for sick folks until they completely recover.  They can't agree with a federal law that doesn't
allow kicking sick folks off insurance rolls for whatever reason.  Simply put, these folks don't believe the Government has a role in making preventive or necessary health care a "right" for every individual.
Because it ISN'T a right.
These same folks don't believe the Government should have saved the auto industry.  Supporting a major industry in this Country is not her role.  Same goes for supporting the many workers who lost their jobs in this economic crisis through no fault of their own.  We'll provide a little help but after that, you're on your own.  This is not a nanny state.
 Correct.
I understand where these people are coming from but I totally disagree with them.  That said, I have no desire to debate them point by point.  It would serve no purpose.  We're 180 degrees apart in our thinking and I'd rather let our readers weigh these positions and make up their own mind.
The readers have weighed  the leftist opinions and openly confront you on a daily basis. We are not wearing down, we are energized and fully anticipate the overthrow of Socialism at the ballot box in 2012. Right on, God bless America and Democracy, and the right to vote it's founders bestowed upon us as citizens of a Representative Republic. Just wait until that citizenry is challenged by the Socialist left, as has been advocated in recent weeks by a Democratic politician. Please defend the Socialist Governor of NC, Bev Perdue
I have equally different viewpoints when applied to foreign policy.  The last
Administration loved to hype the fact they kept us all safe.  Well, it's been nearly three more years under team Obama and we still remain relatively safe.  Oh I know, that can change on any given day.  But with that in mind, how often do you hear the other side champion how safe recent times have been?  That argument has mostly subsided and I suppose our readers understand why.  Keeping the Country safe is an old Republican campaign
message that no longer serves a purpose.
Yes, it now serves the purpose of the Democratic campaign. What is your point? 
The last Administration struggled to end our two wars and now they're both coming to an end thanks to team Obama.  Many of the terrorists the previous Administration were unable to capture have now been eliminated by this current team.  On top of that, we have eliminated yet another tyrant in Libya, with great support from this Administration and without
the loss of one American life.  How anyone could avoid crediting the many foreign policy successes of this Administration is beyond me.
The war in Iraq is coming to an end because we won in Iraq, and are leaving a large contention of troops, and not walking away. In the case of Afghanistan, we killed a lot of bad guys, and are claiming victory and walking away leaving Afghanistan a festering heap like it was before. The killing of a US citizen in Yemen was cleared by the DOJ. Democrats would have already started impeachment proceedings against a Republican President. I think Obama did the right thing. Why we spent money killing the Libyan regime is debatable. We were sharing intelligence with them, at the very least. It may turn out that the Libyans that replace the old regime may be a bigger threat to us, just like Egypt.
Economically speaking, team Obama has made significant gains.  The last Administration was losing hundreds of thousands of jobs monthly and this team stepped in and stabilized the situation.  Team Obama also stabilized a negative GDP growth and turned it positive.
Finally, they stabilized a rising unemployment rate that now hovers at 9%.  The patient did not die but there are those out in the lobby who wonder why the patient is not up walking around already.  Easy for them to say while on the outside looking in but one can certainly understand the motive behind their criticism. 
You are grasping Dewey, like it or not Obama owns this economy now. His team stuck their Socialist fingers in the pie starting with the HC bill, and started throwing money at friends from the start. It is not stable, and the stock market is going down. Foreign markets are further dragging us over the cliff. This will not turn around until American investors are sure that the Socialists in power are no longer a threat to their investments.  
There can be no denying this Administration has made significant progress in protecting this Country while at the same time improving one of the greatest economic crises we'll ever experience in our lifetime.  I can't begin to think what a different Administration could have done to achieve any more.  An absent Government, the type championed by so many on the right of the political spectrum, would have been a complete disaster in addressing both our economic and security concerns.  
I think you are espousing a position of opinion rather than fact. It was not tried, so how can you be sure?
 
I don't mean to mislead as we're far from an economic recovery and many of our problems remain quite significant.  These times are as difficult as anyone could imagine and solutions are deeply needed.  With that in mind, I challenge all who follow our posts in the misc forum to go beyond the day to day partisan attacks and fairly analyze the record of this Administration and the response from their opponents.  In the end, you'll determine the direction of this Country.
Yes, in November of 2012, Socialism will be removed from a position of power in the leadership in this country.

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Dewey - Once again, government spending is part of GDP and is the reason for it's turn around.  What has it done to our debt and deficit?  I'm not so sure your analysis is all that "fair".

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bhblue - My post is filled with a lot of opinion but I still think it's fair.  In any event, I felt it was time to turn these forum discussions back to the political issues that will be debated in the upcoming campaign.

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There can be no denying this Administration has made significant progress.....................improving one of the greatest economic crises we'll ever experience in our lifetime.   


Dewey, you have to be saying this to get a rise out of some people.....No way you actually believe this stuff....
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Dream on Dewey, Obama and his Socialist party sidekicks have had enough time stabbing a dagger into the side of a freedom loving, Capitalist society. May they never see power like they usurped ever again.
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Amen woody.
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I found this very surprising, being on FNC's website.  I agree with the author, though.  Maybe FNC really is moving more toward the middle.....

We need to raise corporate taxes


Another look at this situation, from Forbes:

Are US Companies Paying Too Much Taxes?



And, finally, an analysis of corporate taxes as a percentage of GDP:

Contrary to GOP Claims, U.S. Has Second Lowest Corporate Taxes in The Developed World
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IMHO if you raise Corporate taxes you raise the cost of items to consumers, thereby you have raised taxes on the middle class. If you regulate banks on what their fees on certain transactions can be, they will change their fee schedule on unregulated fees to compensate. Why not just raise the tax rate on the middle class and cut out the blame game and hate the corporations mentality? If you need the money, just have the Senate bypass the House and take it from the middle class, or better yet demonize the rich and take all their money. 
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Here is a nice perspective, IMHO, on the illegal immigration problem and specifically pertaining to the situation in Az.! The person in this video is a professor (Ph.D.) at Yavapai College in Prescott, Arizona.
 

 

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Illegal immigrants are a much bigger problem than people are realizing....I don't understand why people don't wake-up to this fact....The customs and language of a nation are the result of what the nation was founded on....America is rapidly losing her identity....Illegal immigrants are not and will never be patriots of America...In fact, they are the opposite....Eric Holder and Obama are looking to be really dirty....There is no doubt both of them are involved in something that is supporting the drug cartels in Mexico....Directly or in-directly....

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