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Dewey

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Get the government out of my classroom. 


CoachB - Governor Kasich says state education superintendents and local principals wrote the Common Core standards in his State.  Is he correct and are these the people you are referring to when you say "government"?
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Tennessee repeals CC by unanimous 97-0 vote.

http://benswann.com/breaking-tennessee-legislature-repeals-common-core/

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“I set out on a mission to do everything in my power to repeal Common Core in State of Tennessee this year,” said HB1035 chief co-sponsor Rep. Andy Holt (R-Dresden). “In addition to repealing Common Core, this bill puts even more control back in the hands of families, local schools and the State of Tennessee, which is exactly where it belongs.”
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Tennessee repeals CC by unanimous 97-0 vote.



Then dewy must be FOR it

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Well, it's not quite a repeal.  Call it a review.

The fight on Common Core: Supporters and opponents of the controversial Common Core education standards see a bill passed Monday as a win. The bill ultimately leads to standards created in Tennessee, putting in to law the review process already in place by Gov. Bill Haslam. Common Core opponents believe the bill is a win in defeating standards they believe embody federal overreach. Supporters believe the standards probably won't change significantly.

Lawmakers and advocates appear to have reached a deal on how to proceed with evaluating Tennessee's education standards that won't immediately nix the controversial Common Core standards.

Lt. Gov. Ron Ramsey, who also serves as Senate speaker, told reporters Thursday about a compromise reached earlier this week on a bill that advocates for further review of the standards but doesn't move Tennessee toward creating entirely new standards.

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Hahahaha!

HB1035 reads, in part, “WHEREAS, these new Tennessee academic standards shall be adopted and fully implemented in Tennessee public schools in the 2017–2018 school year, at which time the previously adopted set of standards shall be rescinded.”

Note: the previous set of standards were Common Core, and will be rescinded. By 97-0 vote.

Common Core proponents are declaring this a win.

Gotta love 'em! Lmao

Dewey

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Yes, the new Tennessee standards may turn out to be the same Common Core standards.  That's what the review process will decide.
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Yes, no doubt that's exactly why they voted 97-0 to change them.

When new Tenneasee standards say 1+1=2, common core will claim a historic reinstatement victory, and sane people will laugh at them.
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No, a few groups in Tennessee wanted to have a seat at the table.  Now they'll tweak one little standard, if they change anything at all, and then they can sell the program as newly designed to those who were opposed.
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I know someone who's daughter pulled her kids out of school in Tennessee to home school them (she has 4 kids and only 2 in school). When I asked why, the grandma replied - "because it was too hard". Not coincidentally, the grandma has a tea party sticker on her car.(She is also the same person who chose not to carry medical insurance after her husband retired early and then waited until she was on Medicare to get her knee replaced - gotta love those tea partiers!)



All time stupid extrapolation-into-something-it-shouldn't-be post.

Nicely done.


keepinitreal

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hey dingding, that's called 3rd party gossip, right up your alley.  You don't have a flippin' clue why those kids were pulled from public school.  I know I wouldn't trust anyone actually being sane that was an acquaintance of yours.  I have never seen a cognizant post come from your keyboard.  I know a lady, that daughter, pulled her grandkids from public school.  Sounds like facebook gossip to me, your expertise I'm sure.
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hey dingding, that's called 3rd party gossip, right up your alley.  You don't have a flippin' clue why those kids were pulled from public school.  I know I wouldn't trust anyone actually being sane that was an acquaintance of yours.  I have never seen a cognizant post come from your keyboard.  I know a lady, that daughter, pulled her grandkids from public school.  Sounds like facebook gossip to me, your expertise I'm sure.


It would seem that Dinger has the typical Yankee attitude towards southerners.  Dinger hasn't heard that, if it weren't for Southerners, the North wouldn't eat, innovate, and would collapse financially.

I'd just prefer "Thanks".
keepinitreal

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Civil War isn't over and I didn't lose a damn thing.  Nice deflection from your dumass assessment of that TN woman who pulled her kids from public school.   like a friend of my observed recently, you contributed nothing of substance on any thread you post on.  dewy thinks it's because you are a democrat, I think it's just lack of real world experience, democrap or not.

p.s. Seems like states that pay 10% [NY] and 13% [CA]  (and others) state income tax, on top of their local and federal tax burdens are the losers.

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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Dinger, start chopping down trees for firewood, and get your bicycle tweaked, no more Southern produced natural gas to heat your home, or gasoline for you.
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keepinitreal

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wrong woodster, there's plenty of gas in that home.

"I choose to try to get you riled up once in a while"
You aren't coming close to succeeding dingding.  You came close once when you talked schitt on Susan to me in a PM.  I seem to rile your dummass up much more than you have riled me up.  
I throw you chum and you devour it.  You don't have the ovaries to tell us what state you live in, maybe testicles?  I heard from a grandmother in Tennessee that your ovaries were removed after your 1st litter for the betterment of the country.

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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Get the government out of my classroom. 


CoachB - Governor Kasich says state education superintendents and local principals wrote the Common Core standards in his State.  Is he correct and are these the people you are referring to when you say "government"?


Dewey, I have no idea about Governor Kasich.  I know that in the state of Illinois, we are implementing this national program.  Heck, did you watch the video at all?

That video contained a lot of outstanding information and that student was one of many voices in the State of Tennessee leading the fight to stop Common Core.  It is one of the reasons I will leave education.  Let's take today's lesson.  I showed a video for 20 minutes and then had a class discussion on that section of video.  Then, my class broke into prearranged groups where they answered 3 questions which included why world leaders set the stage for WWII, who were those leaders and what countries did they represent and finally, each group had to explain one significant event from the first phase of WWII.  I will not answer questions during this time and they must turn in a written response.  From there, we discuss their answers as groups.  Then, I answer those questions.  Then, took a simple pre test for WWII.  Class is 55 minutes.  My kids rock and roll.  However, next year, I will have to scrap all of this because I will have to align all of my lessons with other teachers, give standardized assignments and prepare them for a standardized test (PARCC Test) which will be a part of my official evaluation at the end of the year.  I will lose the ability to use all of the lessons I have created over 28 years of teaching.  I will simply become a drone and lose all of my individuality. 
keepinitreal

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It is impossible to actually have a discussion,


Try having a discussion with someone, anyone.  I'll sit back and watch with my popcorn, I promise.

This is your type of discussion

"Hey guys - the Civil War is over and you lost."
" the grandma has a tea party sticker on her car"
"She is also the same person who chose not to carry medical insurance after her husband retired early and then waited until she was on Medicare to get her knee replaced - gotta love those tea partiers!)"

sounds like you got a life alright, watching stickers in the Wal-Mart parking lot 

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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
keepinitreal

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 Let's take today's lesson.  I showed a video for 20 minutes and then had a class discussion on that section of video.  Then, my class broke into prearranged groups where they answered 3 questions which included why world leaders set the stage for WWII, who were those leaders and what countries did they represent and finally, each group had to explain one significant event from the first phase of WWII.  I will not answer questions during this time and they must turn in a written response.  From there, we discuss their answers as groups.  Then, I answer those questions.  Then, took a simple pre test for WWII.  Class is 55 minutes.  My kids rock and roll.  However, next year, I will have to scrap all of this because I will have to align all of my lessons with other teachers, give standardized assignments and prepare them for a standardized test (PARCC Test) which will be a part of my official evaluation at the end of the year.  I will lose the ability to use all of the lessons I have created over 28 years of teaching.  I will simply become a drone and lose all of my individuality. 


What a shame, just to satisfy a socialist government mentality.  At least most of your career you were able to do it your way coach.  get out while the getting is good and let us reap what we sow.

People disparage those who say we are in a 'fight' for our country.  If 'you' don't understand we are in a fight, 'you' are the problem

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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Dewey, I have no idea about Governor Kasich.  I know that in the state of Illinois, we are implementing this national program.  Heck, did you watch the video at all?

 


CoachB - My understanding from Gov. Kasich is that State education superintendents along with local principals are writing the Common Core standards.  At least that's the way in Ohio.  Will the video tell me if you consider these two groups of people, and their contributions to these standards, as being "the government in the classroom"?  Unfortunately, I can't see the video on my computer.  In any event, it seems you're not in favor of Common Core.  Thanks for answering.
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Dewey, I have no idea about Governor Kasich.  I know that in the state of Illinois, we are implementing this national program.  Heck, did you watch the video at all?

 


CoachB - My understanding from Gov. Kasich is that State education superintendents along with local principals are writing the Common Core standards.  At least that's the way in Ohio.  Will the video tell me if you consider these two groups of people, and their contributions to these standards, as being "the government in the classroom"?  Unfortunately, I can't see the video on my computer.  In any event, it seems you're not in favor of Common Core.  Thanks for answering.



It is a youtube video.....Seriously.



Dewey, have you ever written curriculum? Designed a lesson plan to cover said curriculum?

Common core standards are already written, there are already text books written to cover those standards. Now how can Ohio be writing their own standards? The "Race To The Top" does not allow the states to develop their own standards. You even ignored the quote from your own link that YOU posted.

For some reason you want to turn this into a "screw you" aimed at Obama, when the parents from all states and political persuasions are against this "Race to Mediocreville".

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Dewey

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Lost - I'm not trying to call Common Core good or bad.  I don't know.  I'm trying to understand what Gov. Kasich and Sec. Bennett see that others don't see.  I'm looking for an objective explanation from both sides.  When they start asking about his in the upcoming debates, I'm trying to compare the perspectives.

From further research found below, I'm assuming the Governor meant state officials, principals, and teachers had a hand in putting together these standards...

Who led the development of the Common Core State Standards?

The nation's governors and education commissioners, through their representative organizations, the National Governors Association Center for Best Practices (NGA) and the Council of Chief State School Officers (CCSSO), led the development of the Common Core State Standards and continue to lead the initiative. Teachers, parents, school administrators, and experts from across the country, together with state leaders, provided input into the development of the standards. The actual implementation of the Common Core, including how the standards are taught, the curriculum developed, and the materials used to support teachers as they help students reach the standards, is led entirely at the state and local levels.

Were teachers involved in the creation of the standards?

Yes. Teachers have been a critical voice in the development of the standards. The Common Core State Standards drafting process relied on teachers and standards experts from across the country. Teachers were involved in the development process in four ways:
  1. They served on the Work Groups and Feedback Groups for the ELA and math standards.
  2. The National Education Association (NEA), American Federation of Teachers (AFT), National Council of Teachers of Mathematics (NCTM), and National Council of Teachers of English (NCTE), among other organizations were instrumental in bringing together teachers to provide specific, constructive feedback on the standards
  3. Teachers were members of teams states convened to provide regular feedback on drafts of the standards.
  4. Teachers provided input on the Common Core State Standards during the two public comment periods.

And then this...

US Chamber of Commerce, “Reagan Education Secretary: ‘There’s a Tremendous Amount of Misinformation about Common Core’”: Calling the debate between Sec. Bill Bennett and Gov. Greg Abbott on Fox News Sunday “two different takes on Common Core” from “two great conservatives,” the article says Sec. Bennett was right. “Unfortunately, Governor Abbott relies on the usual myths about Common Core as the basis for his arguments,” it says, pointing out CCSS are “hardly a ‘one-size-fits-all’ national standard being pushed by the Obama administration” and that they were “developed locally and administered locally.” “If Common Core was a federal mandate, then wouldn’t ALL states be required to implement the standards? They aren’t and they don’t.” CCSS encourage instruction of multiple math problem-solving approaches, which “eliminates simply memorizing rules and helps students understand why they got an answer,” in addition to traditional techniques. “This helps kids develop a deeper understanding and apply this type of thinking throughout their lives. Essentially, it ‘makes math make sense.’”
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Dewey - I'm not buying what you're selling.  You say you're just pointing to Governor Kasich, a Republican, as a proponent of Common Core and trying to understand why.  Obviously, you're once again trying to prove that the GOP has a conflict.  That is your entire point.

If it isn't, then why have you not pointed out that the Democratic Party of Washington State has come out against Common Core?  Why have you not pointed out that the NEA is against Common Core?
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pabar - If you have an opinion, why don't you just share it as it relates to why Sec. Bennett and the Chamber of Commerce are making cases for Common Core and why you disagree?
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Lost - I'm not trying to call Common Core good or bad.  I don't know.  I'm trying to understand what Gov. Kasich and Sec. Bennett see that others don't see.  I'm looking for an objective explanation from both sides.  When they start asking about his in the upcoming debates, I'm trying to compare the perspectives.

From further research found below, I'm assuming the Governor meant state officials, principals, and teachers had a hand in putting together these standards...

Who led the development of the Common Core State Standards?

The nation's governors and education commissioners, through their representative organizations,(Reading comprehension 101) the National Governors Association Center for Best Practices (NGA) and the Council of Chief State School Officers (CCSSO), led the development of the Common Core State Standards and continue to lead the initiative. Teachers, parents, school administrators, and experts from across the country, together with state leaders, provided input (No where does it say their input was used) into the development of the standards. The actual implementation of the Common Core, including how the standards are taught, the curriculum developed, and the materials used to support teachers as they help students reach the standards, is led entirely at the state and local levels. (This is not a true statement)

Were teachers involved in the creation of the standards?

Yes. Teachers have been a critical voice in the development of the standards. The Common Core State Standards drafting process relied on teachers and standards experts from across the country. Teachers were involved in the development process in four ways:
  1. They served on the Work Groups and Feedback Groups for the ELA and math standards.
  2. The National Education Association (NEA), American Federation of Teachers (AFT), National Council of Teachers of Mathematics (NCTM), and National Council of Teachers of English (NCTE), among other organizations were instrumental in bringing together teachers to provide specific, constructive feedback on the standards
  3. Teachers were members of teams states convened to provide regular feedback on drafts of the standards.
  4. Teachers provided input on the Common Core State Standards during the two public comment periods.

And then this...

US Chamber of Commerce, “Reagan Education Secretary: ‘There’s a Tremendous Amount of Misinformation about Common Core’”: Calling the debate between Sec. Bill Bennett and Gov. Greg Abbott on Fox News Sunday “two different takes on Common Core” from “two great conservatives,” the article says Sec. Bennett was right. “Unfortunately, Governor Abbott relies on the usual myths about Common Core as the basis for his arguments,” it says, pointing out CCSS are “hardly a ‘one-size-fits-all’ national standard being pushed by the Obama administration” and that they were “developed locally and administered locally.” “If Common Core was a federal mandate, then wouldn’t ALL states be required to implement the standards? They aren’t and they don’t.” (one again this goes against your link posted earlier) CCSS encourage instruction of multiple math problem-solving approaches, which “eliminates simply memorizing rules and helps students understand why they got an answer,” in addition to traditional techniques. “This helps kids develop a deeper understanding and apply this type of thinking throughout their lives. Essentially, it ‘makes math make sense.’”

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Lost 1 - If one of these articles and another article I linked are at odds, which one is accurate, in your opinion, and explain the differences?  Why would the Conservative Chamber of Commerce provide misleading information?

Edit:  I think Gov. Kasich confirmed the input by other local principals and teachers.
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From that extreme right wing website.... CNN


http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/25/opinion/ravitch-common-core-standards/index.html


The U.S. Department of Education is legally prohibited from having any control over curriculum or instruction in the nation's public schools, but nonetheless Secretary of Education Arne Duncan is a zealous advocate of the new Common Core standards for students' proficiency in English and math.

First, he said their critics were members of extremist groups, and he recently assailed the parents who criticize them as "white suburban moms who — all of a sudden — their child isn't as brilliant as they thought they were, and their school isn't quite as good as they thought they were."

His remarks were prompted by the nearly unanimous outrage expressed by parents -- moms and dads -- at public forums in suburban districts in New York, following the release of the abysmal results of the new Common Core tests.

The parents weren't angry because they found out their child wasn't brilliant, but because most were told by the state that their children were failures. Only 31% of the state's students in grades third through eighth passed or exceeded the new tests. Among students who are English-language learners, only 3% passed the English standards; among students with disabilities, only 5% passed them; among black and Hispanic students, fewer than 20% passed. The numbers for math were better, but not by much.

The high failure rate did not happen because the students are dumb, but because the state chose to set an unrealistic passing mark. The state commissioner knew before any student had taken the test that only 30% or so would pass; that is where the state commissioner set the passing mark.

Duncan likes to boast that the Common Core standards were adopted by 45 states, but neglects to mention that the states were required to adopt "college-and-career-ready standards" to be eligible for $4.35 billion in the education secretary's signature program called Race to the Top.

Some states adopted them without seeing a finished draft. The standards, unfortunately, were never field-tested. No one knew in advance whether they would improve achievement or depress it, whether they would widen or narrow the achievement gap among children of different races. It is hard to imagine a major corporation releasing a new product nationwide without first testing it among consumers to see if it is successful. But that is what happened with the Common Core standards.

Experts in early childhood education say the standards for young children are developmentally inappropriate. Teachers say that they have not had the training or resources to teach the new standards. Field-testing would have ironed out many of the bugs, but promoters of the standards insisted on fast implementation.

No one yet has estimated the costs of shifting from state standards to national standards. Duncan awarded $350 million to develop new tests for the new standards, but all of the testing will be done online.

Los Angeles intends to spend $1 billion on iPads for the Common Core Techology Project, designed to help prepare for the standards. If that is the cost to only one district, how many billions will schools across the nation pay for software and hardware and bandwidth for Common Core testing? This will be a bonanza for the technology industry, but will put a strain on public school budgets in a time of austerity.

The Common Core standards emphasize critical thinking and reasoning. It is time for public officials to demonstrate critical thinking and to stop the rush to implementation and do some serious field-testing.

It is time to fix the standards that don't work in real classrooms with real students. It is time to stop testing students on material they have not been taught. American students take more tests than students in any other nation. Our dependence on standardized testing has become excessive.

Standards alone can't right everything that needs fixing in American education, and some experts, like Tom Loveless at Brookings Institution, say they will make little or no difference in student achievement.

Public officials should listen to the moms and dads. This is a democracy, and it is not the role of public officials to impose their grand ideas without the consent of the governed.


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Here's what appears to be a success story.

This is like Obama versus Warren on trade authority.  I can't figure out what each is failing to understand.  I can't imagine the President wanting to do something that wouldn't help the working people.
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There is enough research out there if you want to find it, you clearly don't.
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Are you saying there's enough research out there to cause the vast majority to come to the same conclusion? Why do I doubt that in this instance.
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No I think he is asking why you aren't doing your own homework, pretty simple.  

Why are you asking those who you will disagree with no matter what their answer is?  Why do you choose to ask a softball message forum for answers to YOUR questions and then you chide the same softball message forum members for ONLY being members of a softball message forum and they can't begin to understand the complexities of several other issues?  You need to decide if people here are capable of answering your questions before you ask so damn many.  Two teachers and a long time spouse of a teacher have weighed in on the subject and you are still needling because you haven't received the answer you wanted to hear.

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The notion that teachers, real teachers, are in on this is funny.  Both teacher's unions realized that they have no control over this national intrusion and know that they can't stop it.  So, they get a few, very few, teachers to jump through some hoops and then walk around with their chests out making it seem as if they are a guiding factor in order to try to convince the membership that teachers have a say.  Keep in mind that those few teachers are most likely in a school district receiving "race to the top" monies and so, they have their future pay raises on the line.  They'd do anything to get that money.  Per my district, I received an email yesterday essentially telling me that I won't get a pay raise for the next two years BUT they will try to get me a pay raise after that.  LOL!  We aren't a race to the top school. 
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