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Lost_1

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Or of course this gem:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2015/04/07/how-the-obamas-opted-their-children-out-of-high-stakes-standardized-tests/


It was easy for Barack and Michelle Obama to opt-out. They send Sasha and Malia to the prestigious Sidwell Friends School in Washington D.C. where tuition is about $35,000 a year and students do not take high-stakes Common Core-aligned tests. The Obamas chose this school in part because it offers children an enriched curriculum, not constant test prep. It was also easy for New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand to opt-out her children. According to her 2013 tax returns, her children, ages 12 and 7, attend the private Capitol Hill Day School, where they do not have to take high-stakes standardized tests either.

Wealthy celebrities are unwittingly part of the opt-out movement because their children attend or attended expensive private schools where they do not have to take high-stakes state-mandated standardized tests. They include Tom Cruise (daughter Suri, Avenues school in New York) and the children of the Jolie-Pitt clan (Lycée Français de New York).

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Exactly why we should have vouchers for private schools.
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Or of course this gem:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2015/04/07/how-the-obamas-opted-their-children-out-of-high-stakes-standardized-tests/


It was easy for Barack and Michelle Obama to opt-out. They send Sasha and Malia to the prestigious Sidwell Friends School in Washington D.C. where tuition is about $35,000 a year and students do not take high-stakes Common Core-aligned tests. The Obamas chose this school in part because it offers children an enriched curriculum, not constant test prep. It was also easy for New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand to opt-out her children. According to her 2013 tax returns, her children, ages 12 and 7, attend the private Capitol Hill Day School, where they do not have to take high-stakes standardized tests either.

Wealthy celebrities are unwittingly part of the opt-out movement because their children attend or attended expensive private schools where they do not have to take high-stakes state-mandated standardized tests. They include Tom Cruise (daughter Suri, Avenues school in New York) and the children of the Jolie-Pitt clan (Lycée Français de New York).


doesn't sound like the obama's support common core.  When the readers find this out, those that support common core because they 'thought' obama supported it , will stop.

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Exactly why we should have vouchers for private schools.


I disagree.  Government is tying my hands at every turn. Take away tenure so now we have to worry about how powerful each student's parents are within the community since it can cost us our job.  We have a new evaluation model.  We have common core.  We have our pay now linked to standardized tests when other data shows that standardized tests are not a good tool while at the same time, universities are getting away from standardized tests.  Now, you want my hands tied and then give government money to teachers who have no regulations at all and do not have to jump through every hoop I have to jump through. 

Get the government out of my classroom.  My students produce and score well.  My method wasn't broken but now it is fixed.  I am putting if for retirement as soon as this school year ends.  In Illinois, we have to give a 4 year notice.  I truly love teaching and never thought I'd retire.  Now, I hope to make it 4 years without getting thrown out the door. 
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Get the government out of my classroom. 


CoachB - Governor Kasich says state education superintendents and local principals wrote the Common Core standards in his State.  Is he correct and are these the people you are referring to when you say "government"?
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Get the government out of my classroom. 


CoachB - Governor Kasich says state education superintendents and local principals wrote the Common Core standards in his State.  Is he correct and are these the people you are referring to when you say "government"?



You didn't read your own link?

One of the first things they taught me in becoming a teacher, was never give the student the answer, always answer a question with a question.


The answer to your question is already out there for you to find, if you wish grasshopper.

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Lost 1 - How would I know if a Conservative considers state superintendents the "government"?  I suppose principals are the "government" too since they work for the State.  You could have just said yes or no but I'm learning that's the most complicated answer one can ask for.
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Just curious Dewey - do you believe that superintendents and principals are part of the government?  I don't think they are.
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pabar - I would agree with you but I was curious if that was CoachB's implication.  I may never know as Lost_1 ain't gonna say either.
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Will we ever knownif Obama was fear mongering when he said Iran could have a zero breakout to weapons in 13 years?
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No, because without this deal, Obama said we'd be less equipped to stop it.  He didn't say zero breakout time, he said more quickly.

This fear mongering charge brings up another thought.  If half a dozen years ago I had warned how the GOP would move to reduce polling locations and reduce number of days to vote, in order to make voting more difficult, many of you would have laughed and called it fear mongering.  I have to admit, we completely missed that one and we can't afford to miss any others.
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Dewey, you are a Rube. Obama's fan boy #1. You are never to be trusted. You have gone all in, and your hand really sucks. Enjoy the after party.
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pabar - I would agree with you but I was curious if that was CoachB's implication.  I may never know as Lost_1 ain't gonna say either.


So if none of the employees are a part of government, then why do the atheists try to inflict their flawed "separation of church and state" BS on schools, like trying to remove the words "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance?

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pabar - Ask an atheist but I imagine it's because it's a public institution. 
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As pabar would say, prove it.  Prove he said those words.  My understanding is he didn't.  Am I wrong?

Edit:  Oops, FIB deleted his post.
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No, because without this deal, Obama said we'd be less equipped to stop it.  He didn't say zero breakout time, he said more quickly.


Obama, thirteen years, break out time zero.

Dewey, lying.

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Isn't this thread about common core?
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pabar - Ask an atheist but I imagine it's because it's a public institution. 


It's not a federal institution.

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Isn't this thread about common core?


I thought so but FIB wants to claim Obama said something I don't believe he said.  I haven't found where Obama used the term zero.  That said, I'm still interested in hearing if Common Core is "government in the classroom"?
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As pabar would say, prove it.  Prove he said those words.  My understanding is he didn't.  Am I wrong?

Edit:  Oops, FIB deleted his post.


No my post is there. Just had to add your lie for posterity.







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Technically, he said "almost down to zero".  See the attached.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/obama-deal-to-give-iran-zero-breakout-time-in-13-years/





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Now we should move that back to the Iran Fiasco thread.
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principals do not work for the state - they work for local school boards.

coach b - pay tied to scores is an interesting concept, but look what that got us in Atlanta.  Way too much opportunity for cheating and corruption, which is what happened here.  the problem is that, in trying to catch the "check-the-box" teachers, the good ones get caught in the morass as well.

I don't know what the answer is, unless maybe it's not forced unionization, that protects the bad ones.
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The issue was that earlier today Dewey said I was fear mongering by saying Iran could have a nuclear weapon in 13 years. I asked if Obama was also fear mongering, because that time period came from Obama himself. But Dewey ran away from the question until now.

That's why it's here, apparently this is the only thread he would respond in.

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Now we should move that back to the Iran Fiasco thread.


He actually brought it up in the immigration thread. If there's one thing you can count on it's Dewey cross threading his lies so it's almost impossible to track them down when he denies them later. Lol

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Now we should move that back to the Iran Fiasco thread.
He actually brought it up in the immigration thread. If there's one thing you can count on it's Dewey cross threading his lies so it's almost impossible to track them down when he denies them later. Lol


Yes he does, it's funny to watch

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That said, I'm still interested in hearing if Common Core is "government in the classroom"?


We'll get back on topic.
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Get the government out of my classroom. 


CoachB - Governor Kasich says state education superintendents and local principals wrote the Common Core standards in his State.  Is he correct and are these the people you are referring to when you say "government"?



Like I said, you did not even read your own link, and since admittedly you have no expertise on the subject why are you still wasting my time?


http://www.ascd.org/publications/newsletters/policy-priorities/vol16/issue4/full/Coming-to-Terms-with-Common-Core-Standards.aspx

From its inception, the Obama administration has set its sights on the unevenness of existing state standards and promoting the development, adoption, and implementation of common standards that would provide each school across the country with clearly defined markers of what students should know and be able to do at each level of their K–12 schooling.

In a 2009 speech at the National Press Club, Secretary Duncan accused states of setting the bar too low in order to comply with the regulations of the No Child Left Behind (NCLB) Act. "We want to raise the bar dramatically in terms of higher standards. What we have had as a country, I'm convinced, is what we call a race to the bottom. We have 50 different standards, 50 different goal posts. And due to political pressure, those have been dumbed down. We want to fundamentally reverse that. We want common, career-ready internationally benchmarked standards," said Duncan (2009).



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Here, I hope this works:




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