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Lost_1

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I urge all those new readers to go back and read the first couple pages of posts by the original poster on this subject.



http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/campaign-k-12/2017/03/survey_teachers_essa_initiative.html?hl=1&noRedirect=1


  • On ESSA engagement: 52 percent of teachers nationwide disagreed with the statement that their state education department had "sought adequate teacher input in the development of the state ESSA plan." A quarter of those surveyed said they didn't know, while 23 percent agreed. Perhaps not surprisingly, the numbers were more evently split among teacher advocacy leaders: 44 percent said states had sought adequate input from teachers for ESSA, 44 percent said they hadn't, and 12 percent didn't know.
  • A majority of teachers believe that ESSA's requirements for school report cards to be shared directly with parents will have at least a little impact. However, 34 percent said it will only have a little impact, while 28 percent said these report card requirements will lead to a "fair amount" of change, while 13 percent said it will lead to a "great deal" of change. The respective numbers for teacher advocacy leaders are 28 percent, 34 percent, and 26 percent respectively.
  • "Unfortunately, teachers are not exactly hopeful that actual improvement of professional learning opportunities will result from ESSA. When asked whether they believed ESSA would have a positive impact on professional learning, only a third of teachers overall and half of advocacy leaders responded positively," according to the group's report on the survey. And indeed, just 38 percent of teachers believe ESSA flexibility will lead to improved development and recruitment opportunities for educators, while 26 percent said it won't, and 36 percent don't know. 

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/we-didnt-know-it-was-this-bad-new-act-scores-show-huge-achievement-gaps/2017/09/06/c6397f36-9279-11e7-aace-04b862b2b3f3_story.html?utm_term=.d904cb01a862



New results from the nation’s most widely used college admission test highlight in detailed fashion the persistent achievement gaps between students who face disadvantages and those who don’t.

Scores from the ACT show that just 9 percent of students in the class of 2017 who came from low-income families, whose parents did not go to college, and who identify as black, Hispanic, American Indian or Pacific Islander are strongly ready for college.

But the readiness rate for students with none of those demographic characteristics was six times as high, 54 percent, according to data released Thursday.

“That kind of shocked us,” ACT chief executive Marten Roorda said. “We knew it was bad, but we didn’t know it was this bad.”

 

The analysis of “underserved learners” was a first for the ACT, which is one of two major tests students can take to apply to college. The other is the College Board’s SAT.

In recent years, both tests have found major disparities in college readiness among students in the Washington region and around the country. Roorda lamented that these gaps have persisted despite efforts to improve schools under the banners of No Child Left Behind, Race to the Top and other national initiatives. “You could argue that those investments should have made a clearer difference,” he said, “and that’s not what we’re seeing.”

More than 2 million of this year’s high school graduates took the ACT, accounting for an estimated 60 percent of the class. Their average composite score was 21 out of a maximum 36 on the multiple-choice test of English, math, reading and science learning. That was up from 20.8 a year before.


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I may have to reconsider whether affirmative action should be put back in place. The environment these poor people grow up in obviously doesn't prepare them for higher education. With limited resources, the brightest of these students may need assistance to achieve their academic potential. Most students of middle to upper income communities have options, these inner city youth don't.
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I may have to reconsider whether affirmative action should be put back in place. The environment these poor people grow up in obviously doesn't prepare them for higher education. With limited resources, the brightest of these students may need assistance to achieve their academic potential. Most students of middle to upper income communities have options, these inner city youth don't.


The bigger problem is that teachers' unions send poor teachers to lousy school districts and allow tenured teachers to teach at better schools.  And then the poor teachers are not held accountable for their performance because the union protects them.
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How about charter schools?
Tuition vouchers?
Fresh

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For once, I sort of agree with you. My wife is a teacher and is located at one of the lower income schools. She sees what you describe, but it isn't the union, it's the good ole boy(girl) network of administrators that places friends in the cushy locations. The best teachers and of even more importance, the best principals, are placed where they are least needed. Human nature is going to be tough to stop. 
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I think if you would open up your view of other people, you would find you have more in common with most of us than you think.

The US needs to completely overhaul education.  Blow the whole thing up and rethink how we do everything.
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I hope not.
TheNarrator

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figured you would say that - by all means, let's just throw some more taxpayer money at it.  Truly the democratic way.

We are currently 7th in the world in education, and I would guess even lower than that.  Maybe that is good enough for the teacher unions.
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Ban all liberal-thinking teachers...........

Sounds extreme, but, it's time for extreme measures...........We need to do it..........
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How far have you gotten into my suggested reading? What exactly are these "liberal-thinking teachers" doing that you object to? Disagree with the a(A)lmighty Bluedog? Recognizing that there are legitimate concerns on both sides will be the first step to easing the self imposed pain you feel at society. Bad billboard.

I hope I 'bashed' Blue.
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For once, I sort of agree with you. My wife is a teacher and is located at one of the lower income schools. She sees what you describe, but it isn't the union, it's the good ole boy(girl) network of administrators that places friends in the cushy locations. The best teachers and of even more importance, the best principals, are placed where they are least needed. Human nature is going to be tough to stop. 


It's not the union members in general, it's the union leadership and administrators.  However, just like with welfare, human nature is such that if someone wants to skate as a teacher, they easily can in a union environment.

My wife has been a teacher for 30 years and we have seen lots and lots and lots of teachers who do the bare minimum per their contract and really don't care about the students.
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We have found more common ground.
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Told ya fresh - stop thinking everyone is a Nazi and you'd be surprised.
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We have found more common ground.


Agreed.  So as not to stray from familiar stomping grounds, I'll offer an opinion with which you might disagree.

Government involvement (Dept. of Education) and unions are harmful to students in a way that cannot be fixed.  

At every public school you will find excellent teachers but, as a parent, you have to care enough to fight to get your kids into their classrooms.  But not everyone can get those teachers. 

Until teachers are held accountable in a private sector sort of way, the situation will not be fixed.  In California, we spend gobs of money per student and achievement levels are embarrassingly horrific.

Charter schools must be supported by our politicians, especially those that are now being re-elected time after time in part because of the money they receive from teachers' unions, which are all corrupt.

The Dept. of Education has overseen the steady decline of education in the U.S. to where there is no rational reason for their existence.  Get rid of it.
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Great post Pabar - blow up the DOE and start over.  

We need to rethink everything:
- number of days in a school year
- cirriculum
- teacher pay
- school structure

What we are doing now is failing miserably. 
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Charter schools and vouchers would allow the financially better off to flood to the better institutions, leaving the poor to languish in what is left. Peer pressure and the mixing of all economic and social levels is necessary to even out the disparity between rich and poor. Students from a household with educated parents start off at enough of an advantage. 

How are we ever going to raise the bar for the poor and disadvantaged if we stick them in an environment counter to those ideals? College is the place for that, not k-12. If you want a private education for your child.....pay for it, don't ask me to sign off on a voucher so you can circumvent your financial responsibility. 
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You think that those who support vouchers just want their private school paid for?  How naive.  In the words of your god BO, "the 80's called", they want their education system back.

And to think, some of us want to help those with a little less get that private school education and to let their parents decide what is best for their child.

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Great program in Oklahoma to help those with special needs:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/education/private-schools-grow-as-state-vouchers-for-oklahoma-special-needs/article_879053de-8a1d-5fa5-aec2-c509789b7d71.html


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Charter schools and vouchers would allow the financially better off to flood to the better institutions, leaving the poor to languish in what is left. Doesn't this statement fit the current system to a "T"? Although progressives refer to it as "white flight", it should be called affluent flight, as those with the money and means will move their children to better schools all on their own. Now, what do we do with the kids that can succeed but their socio-economic situation prevents them from getting out of a failing school? Why don't you want to give them the same opportunities as a well off white kid? Peer pressure and the mixing of all economic and social levels is necessary to even out the disparity between rich and poor. Students from a household with educated parents start off at enough of an advantage. Gee, I just thought my parents called them values, what is your solution then?

How are we ever going to raise the bar for the poor and disadvantaged if we stick them in an environment counter to those ideals?  Where do you think they are right now? College is the place for that, not k-12. If you want a private education for your child.....pay for it, don't ask me to sign off on a voucher so you can circumvent your financial responsibility. Why do you advocate for keeping poor kids in failing schools?

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While I sent my kids to private school while paying taxes for the public schools I would never use I never wanted vouchers. As soon as the government would get involved in sending money to private schools you know it wouldn't be long until they starting placing a myriad ofrequirements on them to continue to receive funding.
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