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Lost_1

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/technical-glitches-plague-computer-based-standardized-tests-nationwide/2016/04/13/21178c7e-019c-11e6-9203-7b8670959b88_story.html

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CoachB - Pseudo experts?  I'm trying to be open minded here.  I've heard from a well respected woman in the education field by the name of Michelle Rhee.  We have a former Sec of Education Republican and a few Republican Governors in support.  Finally, I read an article from both a Kansas teacher of the year and Alabama's Superintendent praising CC.  I feel I am trying to weigh the experts regarding this issue and if you have a couple of names I should add to my list, I'll read there comments too.  So far, every big name in opposition, (outside Gov Cuomo), seems tied to satisfying a political base for campaign reasons.  Maybe I've missed a few others. 

Thanks for your thoughts.
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I am sure these five had purely political reasons for their opposition.  All seem more qualified than your two...

1. Nancie Atwell, Global Teacher Prize Winner, 2015 - The Nobel Prize for Teachers.
“Because public-school teachers are so constrained right now by the Common Core standards, and the tests that are developed to monitor what teachers are doing with them. It’s a movement that’s turned teachers into technicians, not reflective practitioners. And if you are a creative, smart young person, I don’t think this is the time to go into teaching unless an independent school would suit you.”

2. Stacie Starr, ‘Live with Kelly and Michael’ National Top Teacher Winner, 2014 - Resigned over Common Core
She has coached football, taken students on field trips to meet authors and adopted a ‘failure is not an option’ approach to some of the hardest-to-reach students. Yet with a stellar 16-year career under her belt, Starr said the new testing culture is killing education.
‘I can’t do it anymore, not in this ‘drill ‘em and kill ‘em’ atmosphere,’ she said. ‘I don’t think anyone understands that in this environment if your child cannot quickly grasp material, study like a robot and pass all of these tests, they will not survive.’…

3. Cynthia Jones, National Teachers Hall of Fame Inductee, 2003 - Fulbright Scholar - Resigned over Common Core
Common Core is “just another layer of regimentation to kill creativity, to kill any discretionary powers they have to use the powers God gave them to be a good teacher,” she said.

4. Chasidy White, Nationally and Internationally Recognized Teacher - National Assessment Board - 2014
"When I sit in faculty meetings about Common Core, I hear ‘curriculum specialists’ tell me that Common Core is here to stay and I must ’embrace change.’ I am forced to drink the kool-aid. These specialists don’t tell us to search for facts about Common Core on our own, they simply tell us what the people paid to promote Common Core want us to know."

5. Jamie Highfill, Arkansas Middle-School Teacher of the Year, 2011 - Gulf War Veteran - Navy - Resigned over Common Core
“If school is supposed to make students educated members of a specific culture, they need to encounter texts that have cultural information. It’s not just the Lexile level of the text, there’s an underlying meaning underneath the words, of cultural significance. I can read the word ‘Camelot’ when we’re talking about the Kennedy administration, but if I don’t understand King Arthur, how can they understand the significance of that?”

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Thanks Tyler.  Not sure why these five are more qualified, (probably just your opinion), than the former Sec of Education, Michelle Rhee, and the other names I mentioned but they certainly do qualify for sound voices in opposition.  Somebody's going to be right in this equation and I guess that can be said about almost anything we try as a Country.
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Pretty obvious when I said two, that I meant the Kansas teacher and a superintendent from Arkansas.
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I did a quick Google myself.

Here's a teacher survey.  Fifty seven percent of 20,000 say CC will be positive.  Survey is a couple years old.

http://hechingerreport.org/hope-and-anxiety-what-do-teachers-think-about-the-common-core-standards/



Here are four teacher comments.  Different opinion than those other five teachers.  I'll let the readers check for themselves.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/schooled/2015/09/09/common_core_standards_what_four_teachers_actually_think_about_them.html
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Wow, Michelle Rhee has some pointed opinions...

 And because she cannot "close down private schools" nor "does she want to," Common Core is the next best thing.

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Thanks Tyler.  Not sure why these five are more qualified, (probably just your opinion), than the former Sec of Education, It has already been posted the Bennett was paid for his Op-Ed piece Michelle Rhee, and the other names I mentioned but they certainly do qualify for sound voices in opposition.  Somebody's going to be right in this equation and I guess that can be said about almost anything we try as a Country.

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Seems Michelle Rhee is no longer with the Student First organization.  Also turns out it was a big business:

Recently filed tax documents show StudentsFirst and its sister organization, StudentsFirst Institute, raised a combined total of $26.7 million in the fiscal year ending June 2013. That’s down slightly from $28.6 million the previous year.

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I'm just not in a position to buy the accusation these folks have been bought off to ruin our children's education.  You'll have to do a lot better than this to turn my opinion.  I guess Bush and Kasich have been hoodwinked too.  It seems it's always some kind of payola or corruption with you guys.  How about just agreeing to disagree with these people?
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Pretty hypocritical coming from you - If a politician (outside of Gov. Cuomo) disagrees with CC is to satisfy a political base.  It can't be because they disagree with the policy.

I never said she was "bought off", just that it was a big business (one she failed at).  Bennett evidentially was paid for his op-ed.
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Dewy, the contrarian. Will argue against common sense for days at a time
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I was my district representative for Common Core Training.  I can't think of one teacher that likes it in my school.  Not one.  I typed up a long response but I no longer care to argue about any of this stuff.  I am getting out of education because of it. 
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CoachB - You've made your position clear and I'm sure your reasons for being against CC weren't made in haste.  Like I said, maybe you're on the right side of this issue and I'm foolish to accept the arguments of those who feel differently.  Time will tell.

We recently returned to this subject because I said we need to better train our citizen workforce.  It's my opinion that K-14 may have merit for this new technological world, and that Common Core may be another useful tool towards improving the skills and knowledge of our children, who will become part of that workforce.  With millions of jobs available going unfilled, it's clear something needs to be done sooner rather than later.  These were two ideas being put forth in our Country that one could actually see as being specific.  I'm willing to listen to more ideas but, as one member suggested, a vague response that we need to overhaul our entire education system is just that, a completely vague response that means little to most Americans.  I prefer to focus on the more specific ideas like the two I just mentioned.  We need to do something.
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Dewy didn't read a word you said Coach 
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CoachB only posts respectful, well thought out, and from the heart opinions.  I always read his posts.  He understands how Americans should converse with each other. 
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And yet you argue against a person like Coach, who is directly involved with, and has first hand knowledge of the shortcomings of CC. You do this for political reasons, and nothing more. You base your thought and reasoning process on walking around with your finger in the air testing the winds. Whatever the Leftists bosses want to do, that's just swell. Way to go Dewey.
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CoachB only posts respectful, well thought out, and from the heart opinions.  I always read his posts.  He understands how Americans should converse with each other. 


I bet he also understands that there is more than one way to skin a cat

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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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And yet you argue against a person like Coach, who is directly involved with, and has first hand knowledge of the shortcomings of CC. You do this for political reasons, and nothing more. You base your thought and reasoning process on walking around with your finger in the air testing the winds. Whatever the Leftists bosses want to do, that's just swell. Way to go Dewey.


Go tell it on the mountain.

Between lost1,Coach and pabar's wife, there are no more respected and qualified members on this forum on the subject. Dewy prefers newspaper and internet links for his research. These people he references all have something to GAIN in the CC arena. I'll side with the members in this one. Dewy is out of his wheelhouse like he is on guns, VA, military, foriegn relations and state's rights discussions i.e. most issues besides lilly ledbetter, promoting homosexuality in the military and gay cake baking.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/20/AR2006092001587.html


Why We Need a National School Test
By William J. Bennett and Rod Paige
Thursday, September 21, 2006




The remedy? As both of us have long argued, Washington should set sound national academic standards and administer a high-quality national test. Publicize everybody's results, right down to the school level. Then Washington should butt out.

States that prefer to cling to their own standards and tests -- and endure the rules and meddling of federal bureaucrats -- would be free to do so. Some surely would. But many would welcome a new compact with the Education Department.

We're aware that many Republicans are skeptical. After all, the Constitution says nothing about education, and for over two centuries states have been responsible for meeting the nation's education needs. But in a world of fierce economic competition, we can't afford to pretend that the current system is getting us where we need to go. Greater federal interference is not the answer -- but neither is a naive commitment to "states' rights." A new model -- standards set nationally, daily decisions made locally -- strikes the best balance.





Bennett also supported GWBs' No Child Left Behind, I think I heard hillary call it the school to prison pipeline the other day.


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We're aware that many Republicans are skeptical. After all, the Constitution says nothing about education, and for over two centuries states have been responsible for meeting the nation's education needs. But in a world of fierce economic competition, we can't afford to pretend that the current system is getting us where we need to go. Greater federal interference is not the answer -- but neither is a naive commitment to "states' rights." A new model -- standards set nationally, daily decisions made locally -- strikes the best balance.

We're also painfully aware that national standards and tests are hard to get right -- and even harder to get through Congress. Another new report outlines four ways in which this might be done. Several scenarios would rely on a "bottom-up" approach, with states working together on a voluntary basis to forge common expectations, lessening the chances that Washington would mess them up.

This is a conversation that should start now and continue through the 2008 elections and reauthorization of the No Child Left Behind Act. But right-thinking Republicans should think long and hard before opposing national standards and tests. Competently done, they would go a long way toward assuring America a more well-educated population and a bright future -- and toward reining in Washington's impulse to micromanage our nation's schools.


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“Everyone is in favor of free speech. Hardly a day passes without its being extolled, but some people's idea of it is that they are free to say what they like, but if anyone else says anything back, that is an outrage.” Winston S. Churchill


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Child_Left_Behind_Act
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Today we had a 1/2 day of school and then 1/2 day of School Improvement (3.5 Hours).  The focus was the Common Core and strategies to implement it.  When this semester began, me and my colleague had to develop a pre and post test for a unit.  We were to create a Rubric.  This Rubric was then to be approved and would include proper sentence structure, proper paragraphs, proper punctuation, and naturally, correct factual content.  My buddy and I spent considerable time doing this.  We then gave our pre test, taught our unit, and then gave the post test.  We swapped a few tests to make sure we were grading consistently.  I taught my unit the way I have taught it for 30 years.  Exactly the same.  Each student set a "base" with their first test and then have a "goal" that they were to achieve in order for my methods of instruction to be deemed successful.  There are no incentives given except that they get a grade so those that don't want to achieve can blow the test and believe me some did.  A critical portion of my evaluation will now depend upon this process.  Kids can literally fail this unit on purpose in an attempt to get their teacher placed on remediation or get them fired.  Long story kind of short, my kids averaged 87% including those students that didn't even attempt to write a paragraph.  While this is good, NOTE I didn't change a thing from what I have been doing for 30 years and didn't implement the strategies that I was supposed to implement.  The problem then is that when I have an administrator sitting in my classroom, if I don't change to their ways, I will receive a poor evaluation.  I hate the Common Core.  I would suggest that things were much better when local school boards ran the show. 

At this meeting today, I saw teachers panicked when administrators came over to look at their results.  Some of them have the worst students in the school.  I saw some fudge numbers before they were asked to submit their efforts.  I saw a couple of teachers get up and walk out.  They are so frustrated.  What teachers are going to end up doing is either teaching the test they are to submit or lying via fake numbers in order to not receive a poor evaluation.  Oh and one last thing, what about the non academic courses who now have to submit these numbers?  I can't imagine the shop teachers telling those young lads to write a 45 minute paper instead of getting out in the shop.  Then, have their evaluation depending upon how well they do.
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Readers can draw their own conclusions


http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-04-27/high-school-seniors-arent-college-ready-naep-data-show



Only about a third of U.S. high school seniors are prepared for college-level coursework in math and reading. And while the performance of the country’s highest achievers is increasing in reading, the lowest-achieving students are performing worse than ever.

Those are some of the latest findings from the National Assessment of Educational Progress, also known as the Nation’s Report Card or NAEP, which published new data Wednesday showing the achievement of high school seniors.

The 2015 assessment results are based on a nationally representative sample of thousands of 12th-grade students from 740 schools, including private institutions.

The analysis shows that 37 percent of students are prepared for college-level math and reading, down 2 percentage points in math and 1 percentage point in reading since 2013, the last time the tests were administered.

Just 25 percent of students scored proficient or higher in math, and 37 percent scored proficient or higher in reading – a slight decrease of 1 percentage point in both subjects.

However, the number of students scoring below a basic level in math increased from 35 percent in 2013 to 38 percent in 2015. The results were similar in reading, going from 25 percent in 2013 to 28 percent in 2015.

Moreover, the average scores of those in the bottom 10th percentile – meaning the poorest-performing students in the entire country – dropped by 4 points in math and 6 points in reading compared with 2013.

In fact, the average reading score for those students hit its lowest level on record.

“The decline is real,” said Peggy Carr, acting commissioner of the National Center for Education Statistics – a research arm of the Department of Education – who also spoke on the press call. “There is a widening of the gap between the highest- and lowest-performing students. The students at the lower end are getting worse.”

Broken down by race, the scores also leave much to be desired.

While 32 percent of white students and 47 percent of Asian students scored at proficient or above in math, only 7 percent of black students and 12 percent of Hispanic students did.

Similar gaps were present in reading: 46 percent of white students and 49 percent of Asian students scored at or above proficient, while only 17 percent of black students and 25 percent of Hispanic students did so.


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Delaware 2016 Teacher of the Year


Sandra Hall, a fourth grade teacher at North Smyrna Elementary School in the Smyrna School District, is Delaware’s 2016 State Teacher of the Year.

Hall cited the Common Core State Standards and their aligned state test, the Smarter Assessment, as among the greatest educational issues facing teachers today. They are requiring higher order thinking of her students, who must cite evidence using multiple sources and complete text-based writing assignments using multiple sources. “Students must not only choose correct answers, they must state how they arrived at the conclusion and cite evidence to defend it,” she wrote.

“Students have a better understanding of what is expected of them and understand the what’s and the why’s of learning, providing a greater sense of purpose behind the learning. This approach to teaching does not ‘teach to the test.’ It is more about asking the right type of questions than just teaching the right answers,” she said.

While she believes this is the right approach, she said she understands the frustrations of parents who are challenged by frequently changing educational strategies. “Too often I have heard of frustrated parents who do not feel they can even help their children with homework assignments,” Hall wrote.

Teachers can help with this. Hall said teachers must “have the time, use the resources and make the effort to adopt to the new strategies. They must take every opportunity to continue to learn. Teachers cannot be stagnate in their approach to education. It truly does involve lifelong learning.”



Sometimes we can learn by listening to those top in their field.


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I'd be curious to know the demographics of her students.
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pabar - Don't know but I'll agree with this, she appears to be a supporter but it doesn't necessarily prove the virtues of Common Core one way or the other.  Clearly this Common Core plan could succeed or fail before it's all over.  I just point out there are many who think it's on the right track just as the other side points out the many who disagree.  Just happened to be one of the very few ideas in this Country that gathered bi-partisan support.  I'm willing to see it through until the evidence is thoroughly analyzed.
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