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As of this summer Triple Crown Sports (that have bought their way into the college recruiting/exposure game) will no longer supply any hard information/books to college coaches at ANY of their recruiting tournaments nation wide including both Colorado events at the Fireworks in Aurora and the Sparkler in Westminster. Coaches have been told to either access the information from their smart devices (phones, IPads, ect.) on site or print the books out themselves before they attend the event....



Needless to say this will be sold as a going "Green" move when in reality this is another way for an organzation out for the REAL GREEN (Cash) to save/make money. It is unfortunate for teams, players and parents paying massive amounts of money to attend these events that are billed as exposure and now they can't even get a roster/recruiting book to coaches that travel to the week long event each year. Instead Triple Crown seems to be more concerned making their extra cash through their pre-tournament expo clinics and "pay and play Alll Star Games"...



Is there any doubt that the tail is wagging the dog... Each year college coaches are looking for reasons to take recruiting out of the hands of people in it strictly to make money and put it in a form that is beneficial for the teams, players, and college coaches. Situations like this make it more a reality every year...

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The new "green" system seems like a good idea, however, I keep signing on using a smart device and get kicked off every time. If this happens during the tournament there will be very frustrated coaches. Hopefully TCS gets the bugs fixed soon. Now on the other "green" topic, there is now an admission fee of $25 to get in to the tournament. So I am hedging if a player brings both parents it will cost 50 bucks for the week. However that is if you pay in advance otherwise it goes up to $30.
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The "green" system Triple Crown has installed for their tournaments would be fine if accessing the information that used to be provided in the coaches books was less cumbersome.  Most coaches I know would be happy to print their own books, if they want to have them, as a way to either save trees or, even, allow Triple Crown to make more money. 

The issue is that there is no single location to access the information for all the teams.  To print the book, as we used to get them, requires you to search for each team individually, print their page, then search again for the next team, and so on. The time it takes to go through all the steps to print a page will discourage most of us from having the information we need, in hand,  when we get to the tournament.  I think many college coaches will end up spending more time searching for information than watching games while they are at the TC events.

While most college coaches are technologically gifted, some are not, and anything that makes getting information about teams and players in our hands is bad for everyone.  If I were a travel ball coach or parent, knowing how much money Triple Crown is charging, I would be very upset that this tournament has become less recruiting friendly. Please make it known to the organizers the whole idea behind these events is to get the players recruited and making information easily available should be the highest priority.
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These showcase tournaments have become so ridiculous and so "big business".  Many years ago you could go to these tourneys and see the best of the best all at the same complex.  Now you have to travel to 2-4 different locations and sit through some games that have little to no college level talent.  Way to many teams and way to little talent.  Triple Crown is a perfect example of this.  Buy your way into a special All Star game!  HaHa!  Your team is on field 27 at the 3rd complex 10 miles down the road!  HaHa!
College coaches had a hard enough time finding certain kids with a map and a college book.  Now no book!  HaHa! 
  They are selling the dream of the college scholarship to thousands and thousands of kids/parents.  Most will never see the college field except from their view in the stands.  I don't say this to be rude or mean, but to be real!  If parents and players would spend more time and money on academics, proper practice, fundamentals, conditioning and less time and money flying around the world going to these "cattle calls" the results in their student athlete would be better.  Save the money spent going to these tourneys and attend some camps at the specific schools you are interested in attending.  If your game is good enough, they will find money to get you there!  You don't need these big business tourneys to get a scholarship.  You need great grades, great fundamentals or skill set, knowledge of the game, great attitude, and be in shape.      
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outofthezone,

While it's true that many of these players won't play college ball, let's put things in perspective:  At any one time there about 20,000 women playing NCAA level college ball.  Add in NAIA and JuCos and it's well over 30,000. 

I've seen a lot of college teams play.  Some of them are horrible.  I'm often stupefied at how bad some of the D1 level players are.  And then I look at their bench and see 11 players that can't break into this bad lineup. 

So, while many of these girls at the exposure tournaments won't get to college ball there's certainly plenty of room for players, even the horrible ones.


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LMUfan,
While it is true that there are many opportunities besides the D1 schools for  these girls to play at (NAIA,JUCO,D3,D2) you would be surprised at how many players and parents are disillusioned or misinformed and expect their DD to be awarded a FULL RIDE D1 scholarship.  When they are offered some money for Juco or D2, they turn up their noses unless it is so late in the game and they finally realize it is this or nothing! 
I guess the point of my post was more about the waste of time this big showcase tournaments have become.  Most college coaches I know in todays game are recruiting from their camps/clinics.  If they hear about a player from a reliable source they say, "Have her come to one of our camps so I can talk with her, get to know her, see her up close on the field". 
BTW, I love watching that SS from LMU play!    
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Yeah, I see what you're saying.  The full ride misnomer is an eye opener for many.

However, taken in the right frame of mind it could be an interesting experience.  We never looked at softball as a scholarship opportunity. It was a place to learn teamwork and competitiveness.  It also afforded us the ability to spend countless vacations in the worst hellholes in America.  So, a trip to Colorado was a very pleasant change of pace.

It's hard to justify "payback" in terms of dollars for most families.  It's the entire experience that must be taken into account when looking at whether the entire process is worth it.  Sometimes you can't know that until after it's all over.
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Yeah, I see what you're saying.  The full ride misnomer is an eye opener for many.

However, taken in the right frame of mind it could be an interesting experience.  We never looked at softball as a scholarship opportunity. It was a place to learn teamwork and competitiveness.  It also afforded us the ability to spend countless vacations in the worst hellholes in America.  So, a trip to Colorado was a very pleasant change of pace.

It's hard to justify "payback" in terms of dollars for most families.  It's the entire experience that must be taken into account when looking at whether the entire process is worth it.  Sometimes you can't know that until after it's all over.


Oh my that brings back memories. Tulsa Oklahoma in August of 2001 was so hot and so humid. Over 90 degrees at midnight, 90% or more humidity and dead still air. Loved the people and I enjoyed going to Oklahoma in the WCWS but those months from May to August make a huge difference in the weather. With that said Midland Texas had to be the worst place in our experience to play. Between the poorly maintained fields, the wind and the weather it was just awful. The water was light brown and even the waitress in the restaurant said why would anyone come here for a vacation. Obviously they didn't know ASA softball. Except for the humidity we enjoyed Georgia. Old Civil War Battlefields, architecture, friendly people. Columbus was a great place to play.

Jealous of all those that get to play in Huntington Beach now!




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Yeah, I see what you're saying.  The full ride misnomer is an eye opener for many.

However, taken in the right frame of mind it could be an interesting experience.  We never looked at softball as a scholarship opportunity. It was a place to learn teamwork and competitiveness.  It also afforded us the ability to spend countless vacations in the worst hellholes in America.  So, a trip to Colorado was a very pleasant change of pace.

It's hard to justify "payback" in terms of dollars for most families.  It's the entire experience that must be taken into account when looking at whether the entire process is worth it.  Sometimes you can't know that until after it's all over.


Oh my that brings back memories. Tulsa Oklahoma in August of 2001 was so hot and so humid. Over 90 degrees at midnight, 90% or more humidity and dead still air. Loved the people and I enjoyed going to Oklahoma in the WCWS but those months from May to August make a huge difference in the weather. With that said Midland Texas had to be the worst place in our experience to play. Between the poorly maintained fields, the wind and the weather it was just awful. The water was light brown and even the waitress in the restaurant said why would anyone come here for a vacation. Obviously they didn't know ASA softball. Except for the humidity we enjoyed Georgia. Old Civil War Battlefields, architecture, friendly people. Columbus was a great place to play.

Jealous of all those that get to play in Huntington Beach now!





Hah!  You went on the elite ASA tour.  We did mostly sewer level AFA and Triple Crown tournaments.  They made ASA look luxurous. Two summers in Beaumont, Texas sets a perspective.

One summer we were in Blue Springs, MO.  It was so hot and humid that we held the post game talks in the mall because they wanted to get off the fields as quickly as possible.  AFA had the brilliant idea that all pool and elimination games would be 7 innings, no time limit.  By the end of each day games were running 4-6 hours late even without weather delay.  Boneheads.  It created extra incentive to stay in the winner's bracket!
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Originally Posted by LMUfan
Yeah, I see what you're saying.  The full ride misnomer is an eye opener for many.

However, taken in the right frame of mind it could be an interesting experience.  We never looked at softball as a scholarship opportunity. It was a place to learn teamwork and competitiveness.  It also afforded us the ability to spend countless vacations in the worst hellholes in America.  So, a trip to Colorado was a very pleasant change of pace.

It's hard to justify "payback" in terms of dollars for most families.  It's the entire experience that must be taken into account when looking at whether the entire process is worth it.  Sometimes you can't know that until after it's all over.


Oh my that brings back memories. Tulsa Oklahoma in August of 2001 was so hot and so humid. Over 90 degrees at midnight, 90% or more humidity and dead still air. Loved the people and I enjoyed going to Oklahoma in the WCWS but those months from May to August make a huge difference in the weather. With that said Midland Texas had to be the worst place in our experience to play. Between the poorly maintained fields, the wind and the weather it was just awful. The water was light brown and even the waitress in the restaurant said why would anyone come here for a vacation. Obviously they didn't know ASA softball. Except for the humidity we enjoyed Georgia. Old Civil War Battlefields, architecture, friendly people. Columbus was a great place to play.

Jealous of all those that get to play in Huntington Beach now!





Hah!  You went on the elite ASA tour.  We did mostly sewer level AFA and Triple Crown tournaments.  They made ASA look luxurous. Two summers in Beaumont, Texas sets a perspective.

One summer we were in Blue Springs, MO.  It was so hot and humid that we held the post game talks in the mall because they wanted to get off the fields as quickly as possible.  AFA had the brilliant idea that all pool and elimination games would be 7 innings, no time limit.  By the end of each day games were running 4-6 hours late even without weather delay.  Boneheads.  It created extra incentive to stay in the winner's bracket!


In Columbus Georgia in 2002 our team had won State and was a favorite coming into Georgia to win the national championship. We lost the first game in extra innings. The girls won the next 9 games in a row including 5 of the 6 they played in one day.Staring at 6:45 and playing with no breaks for lunch or dinner, walking form field to field handing them snacks and drinks they played until 9:30 that night losing the sixth game 1-0 with several starters injured and out of the final game. We finished fourth and to this day I tell my daughter I was more proud of her and that team than any other she competed on. No quit, no complaining just all out play. That nationals created incentive to always stay in the winners bracket!

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