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TheHammer

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read in the oc register today that many great black players such as Walter Payton,Jerry Rice,Deacon Jones, Etc. were inducted in the Black College Hall of Fame in Atlanta.
Would like to know if the whites also had their own Hall of Fame would there be silence now that there is supposed to be equality.
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Long overdue that those 3 were inducted into ANY Hall of Fame.

Payton (Sweetness) could have rushed across 10 yards of hot coals and not felt anything against his feet.  Rice was like a blur on the Gridiron and could outrace any DB. And Deacon Jones, I remember his cameo on The Odd Couple doing a shaving commercial with Oscar Madison (Jack Klugman).

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Hammer - To avoid misrepresentation, can you tell me if this Hall of Fame is selected from traditionally black colleges, or from all colleges and universities? I can remember way back when there was a Negro baseball league (I played baseball against the Homestead Greys - 1951 or 52), and a Negro All American college football team, but then, of course, our nation had a black army and a white army. We've come a long way since then, and have a way to go still.
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My one question is will the blacks let me, a white guy, start a white college hall of fame ???? without complaining, specially their leader JJ

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My one question is will the blacks let me, a white guy, start a white college hall of fame ???? without complaining, specially their leader JJ

I'm sure you'll have to pay Jesse Jackson an extortion fee so he lets you start one and he won't have his followers protesting. Then you'll have to pay Al Sharpton another extortion fee for the same thing.  You know they're both Poverty Pimps always looking to shake someone down.  One day either one or both will try to shakedown an Organized Crime Business Front and someone's gonna end up with a bullet behind the ear Confirmation style laying in some alley.


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I thought JJ and AS were rendered irrelevant by the recent election of the supreme leader of the free world.
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woody do not forget that the supreme leader of the free world's mother was white. also the father was a real african, and not a black american

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Yes I knew that. Why was JJ initially so upset with the success of the supreme one. Or could it be that he was annoyed that the Democratic party failed to nominate him back in the day. How insensitive of him.
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JJ cried that night in Chicago because it wasn't him being elected.  Him and Sharpton are jackwads that need to go away and not be heard of again.


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Hammer - Are you requesting that we go back to Jim Crow when whites had all the power and blacks were left no choice but to create their own institutions? Today some of those institutions still exist. The "traditional black college" is one of those. Once again, the forementioned black football stars might have attended traditionaly black colleges.
There are numerous Halls of Fame for numerous reasons, athletic and academic. This particular one might simply be one created to honor graduates of traditionally black colleges. Most colleges and universities have their own Halls of Fame, and most states do. Also, there are Halls of Fame for various sports, including softball. The three named players certainly are worthy as football players of whatever Hall of Fame this is.

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Hammer, You raise an interesting and provocative question.  This particular hall of fame was created very recently to recognize athletes that attended black colleges.  While they certainly have every right to do so, it's not as if black athletes have been discriminated against in halls of fame that do not make a distinction.  A part of me thinks it is divisive and another part of me understands and sees no problem with it.  If we continue to see different organizations formed based on race and ethnicity, I might view that as going backward.  To me it is somewhat like African American, Hispanic American etc, rather than simply American.
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Wanabe - Well said !!
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my question is if every minority can have everything, why can't the white majority also have their own. Why then would it be called discrinination ??

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Hammer - We whites did have our exclusive Hall of Fame (shame?). It was called Jim Crow, or the all white major leagues in baseball, or the all white The University of Mississippi, or any organization that said "Whites Only". It was "Whites Only" that led to blacks organizing their own universities and other organizations created for brown and black citizens of the USA. It's been only 56 years since our Supreme Court declared that "Separate but Equal" was not "equal". As Wanabe pointed out, until we automatically think of ourselves as citizens of the USA and consider color of skin secondary if at all, perhaps in the way that we now consider height and weight, we will have Halls of Fame divided by ethnicity or skin color. We are on our way, but only time will tell when and if this will happen.
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As you said "White only" WAS, then how come " Black only " is still is???? 

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Let me try to make Hammers point in a less socially correct way. (Didn't want to say politically correct way lest this thread vanish.) Why, when the white majority has, and is continuing to integrate institutions across America, is it acceptable for minorities to discriminate? Until the minorities are willing to view things from a point of view as "just American", a certain amount of social unrest will continue.


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fanatic - You said it without knowing that you said it. "The white majority (at least until about 2050) has and continues to integrate institutions across America". That means, then, that some institutions are not integrated, but merely a work in progress, and guess who is "allowing" the integration that is done. An amazing amount has been done in that area since 1950, but it's still a work in progress, and viewed as such by people of color in our society.

I had two huge coffee table books, one the history of TV and theater, and the other the history of Football in America. In early TV and theater, all the pictures of blacks were of maids or caricatures of the white man's view of black culture unless they came out of Harlem's Black Theater. Look at the progress there - amazing! In the pictures of early football in the book, a black face would stand out. Now, in football and basketball, black athletes are a majority. It's moving along (note the black influence on music and entertainment), but it still has a way to go in terms of both black and white perspectives of each other and integration of people and cultures.

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Hammer - For the same reason that blacks and Jews or even Catholics are not welcome at certain country clubs. It's cultural and sometimes socio-economic bias, and it's far less prevalent than it was, but it is still among us. Ever hear of the Sons of Italy, or The Sub Alpine Club, or the Polish Falcons, or The Ancient Order of Hibernians? There must be a Club like that for people from Lebanon. As long as we emphasize differences instead of sameness, our world will be divided that way and prejudices will help to create our personal and social perspectives.
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what you are saying id correct but the only people that nowdays use color are Blacks. Would not of mind if they have kenyan or somali or other country clubs, but they are the only ones that now still discriminate color.

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Hammer - That is simply not true. Just as there are black bigots, so too are there white bigots. I have known both in my lifetime, and know some even now.
PS - You should hear my English Canadian friends speak cruelly about the French Canadiens. who have for years wanted to create their own nation with their French culture and language. Differences, and being so "right" breed such animosity and limit understanding or even the attempt to understand.

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JG - I know of a Country Club in Bucks County, PA that has a slight problem with extending membership to those of Italian heritage.


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PGP - In my mother's generation the Italians and the Irish were constantly at social war with each other. In my generation there were a tremendous number of Irish-Italian children born. Today most people laugh that that bias could have ever existed. So it goes.

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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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PGP - In my mother's generation the Italians and the Irish were constantly at social war with each other. In my generation there were a tremendous number of Irish-Italian children born. Today most people laugh that that bias could have ever existed. So it goes.

JG - I'm talking just WASPs in this Country Club thumbing their noses down at everyone.


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I am sick of the whole race card thing. Get over it, get a job, get married, raise your children to be humble, respectful, responsible, God fearing individuals. Quit using the crutch and get on with being a proud productive ""American"" in the greatest country in the world.
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Question for all. According to the Washington Post 3 teams in the traditionally black MEAC conference each have 11 white players. If good enough could or should they be inducted into the Black Hall of Fame?

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don - Depends on the charter. If it reads "players from traditionally black colleges" then the founders would have to change the name of the "Black Hall of Fame" to include whites, something like "Hall of Fame of Traditionally black colleges". I would guess that the idea of a Black Hall of Fame from traditionally black colleges will diminish or disappear as more whites attend those schools and the society continues to integrate its institutions. A good read of the white experience in a traditionally black college is "White Tiger", the story of a white quarterback at Grambling.
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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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PGP - WASPs have long considered themselves the REAL Americans, but all that is changing with the melting pot that is the USA. When the KKK ran rampant, they were primarily against Blacks, Jews, and Catholics. Hence, what remained were WASPs with an English heritage and an acceptance of the feudal, plantation mentality.
As socio-economics change in our nation, fewer "closed clubs" will exist. It is the rare country club that now excludes Italians.

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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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Woody - Those certainly are American ideals. I assume that you are a white American who has not experienced prejudice and who found it rather easy to achieve the ideals you espouse. I know that I did, with the help of great parents and excellent mentors. Until a man walks in another's moccasins, it is difficult for him to understand the entire situation.
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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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JG, wrong assumption. I am a half breed Indian who has worn the moccasins. I grew up low middle class and was raised by good parents although they divorced. I was never given anything. Worked at age 8 building fence. Legally employed since age 15. Worked full time night shift in High School. Living on my on since 17 and paying my own way. I was not fed with the silver spoon as I assume from your post you were. Maybe you feel some type of guilt over success. I on the other hand relish the opportunity to succeed and refuse to let anything be it race or my parent's income level from preventing my pursuit of the American dream. Just because you are not a WASP does not mean you cannot succeed. Anyone that says otherwise is lending a hand to the lazy and ignorant who will suck the Government teat for generations. Being poor does not mean you have to be stupid or lazy. No more excuses, suck it up and get to work to give your family a better life. Learn a trade as a young person and apply yourself. Raise a family and send them to school, and pay attention to them. Be a Daddy, not some player with 8 kids from 3 Women, none of whom are your wife. People are literally dying to get to America and have a foot hold on what many natural born citizens refuse to participate in.
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Woody - I was born and raised in a little railroad town in western Pennsylvania, a town referred to in a book I read as "two fisted". No "silver spoons" there. My uncle was shot and killed by the police. We lived in my grandfather's house because we couldn't afford to buy one. I feel absolutely no guilt about my views concerning minorities. Every house in my town was a minority group. When I was 12 my grandfather told my parents that we were moving because I was "goin the way a Michael", his son, a truism. Because of my grandfather who insisted we move to a more genteel area with far different influences, and my parents who emphasized education (my Dad went to 8th grade), I became a college graduate and went on from there, but as Newton said when asked how he could do so much, he replied, "I stand on the shoulders of giants". Most of the kids I grew up with spent some jail time, and the only difference between them, black and white, and me was that I had the advantage of my grandfather and my parents.

You've done well !! Congratulations. Your journey is one full of personal integrity. From somewhere you got that splendid work ethic. It's always a battle for understanding , however, when one lacks cultural horizons. Even as I entered college, my cultural horizons were subterranean, but I was fortunate to have good mentors and the nature given ability to conceptualize, study, and understand.
PS - Since you are half Indian (I'm assuming Native American?) then I would recommend to you a great book entitled "The Trail of Tears".

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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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