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DJPort2008

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Do you think their situations are the same?


Personally, I think they both have the right to do what they did.  However, what I find interesting is that a number of people who are saying Colin has the right to do what he did and athletes don't surrender 1st Amendment rights were also some of the same people who said Tim Tebow should shut up and just play football and keep his personal beliefs to himself.
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I agree Colin supporters are not tebow supporters by any standard
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Nope. When Colin leads a team through the playoffs again, maybe i will see him in a different light as an athlete. As far as his ignorant self promotion, he can take a flying leap into his pile of cash. In the meantime Colin, have a seat on the bench and wait to be cut after the end of the season. Wonder if he will ever see the field again?
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the difference is that colin is saying the flag stands for racism.  tebow took a knee and prayed after he scored.

those two things are not even in the same universe.
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what mikec just said....two different things.

Tebow had christians telling him to tone it down. (like kurt warner)
He had conservative talk radio and pasters attack him for cancelling appearances because of their hate speech (they spoke out openly against gay lifestyle and muslims).
He was mocked by all sides. His celebration became pop culture--tebowing. Christians and non-christians copied it and every comedian and talk show did it. 
Tebowing was bigger than his play on the field. In college he was a king. In pro he was more burger king. But don't weep for him...he is more famous because of it.

Kaepernick is stirring the pot. I disagree with him or other players sitting out national anthem but guess what? People are talking about it. Sure he catches negativity as do the others but it gets people talking about it. And his jersey sales tripled. The silent majority. 

More players are going to join in across all sports in pro, college, etc....
ANd...Tim Tebow just signed a minor league contract with the new york mets for 600k....more than many of the baseball players already out there that are better skilled.
Tebow will be remembered for tebowing. Kaepernick will be a footnote to where this all leads in the coming weeks.

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the difference is that colin is saying the flag stands for racism.  tebow took a knee and prayed after he scored.

those two things are not even in the same universe.


Agreed. Two entirely different acts.

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Kaepernicus is not very bright, like those who misunderstand what they think they are 'protesting'.

Larry Elder nails it. http://townhall.com/columnists/larryelder/2016/09/01/colin-kaepernicks-fight-against-racism-n2212634


"The first problem with Kaepernick's "protest" is that the Black Lives Matter movement, launched after the death of black suspect Michael Brown of Ferguson, Missouri, is based on a lie. Contrary to the story told by the lying friend who was with Brown when he was killed by an officer, Brown did not have his hands up and did not say, "Don't shoot." Both the grand jury and Department of Justice investigation found that the officer who shot Brown acted lawfully and had reasonable fear for his life. 

Still, a "movement" was launched.

According to the Centers for Disease Control, police officer killings of blacks are down 75 percent over the last 47 years. Compared with blacks, twice as many whites are killed by cops. True, blacks represent about 25 percent of those shot by the police, and the black population is just 13 percent, but this has to do with higher rates of offending."


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Christianity should not have different faces -

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/09/24/colin-kaepernick-vs-tim-tebow-a-tale-of-two-christianities-on-its-knees/

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Behind a paywall soooo, no ready it.

But the point is simple.  Kneeling to show praise to God, done not during the National Anthem, good. 

Kneeling during the National Anthem to show your plight is different/worst/ more worthy of protest than everyone else, not good.   You want to protest in other ways, you want to kneel to protest during the coin flip, or half time.  You want to stand on your head to protest after every touchdown.  Great ideas. 

The National Anthem is and always will be a time where Americans get together, take of their hats, put them over their heart, and spend a few minutes saying a few words.  Those words signify 2 things.  That we are a joined entity that has gotten to where we are by being together.  That our vets have made a special sacrifice through their service, or the ultimate sacrifice by dying for our freedom.

People on the other side of this debate claim that is not what the Anthem is, and that their protest are not anti-vet.  Yet, I saw with my own 2 eyes a Vietnam vet saying a few words about his fallen comrades and the Seattle Seahawks had 8 or 9 players hastily run over and take a knee or take a seat.  You just cannot keep being that wrong about things.

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DC and Duaine, do not like America, nor do they care for Christianity, that's a fact.  They want to transform America into something she's not.  
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uwApoligist

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Anyway NFL did the right thing.  No need to worry about kneeling during the anthem anymore. 

Also Seattle moved many of those problematic 'me first' players off to other teams.  Micheal Bennett has already been charged for assaulting a 66 year old paraplegic security guard that was merely doing her job. 

Let these other reams deal with these troublemakers.  Much better to focus on guys that want to play and win football games. 

Like Russell Wilson.  You don't see him doing dopey sideline shows.  He goes down to the children's hospital.  Not just when the cameras are there, all the time, and has done it for years.  He takes on issues of race, always in a top class respectful way.  

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Behind a paywall soooo, no ready it.

But the point is simple.  Kneeling to show praise to God, done not during the National Anthem, good. 

Kneeling during the National Anthem to show your plight is different/worst/ more worthy of protest than everyone else, not good.   You want to protest in other ways, you want to kneel to protest during the coin flip, or half time.  You want to stand on your head to protest after every touchdown.  Great ideas. 

The National Anthem is and always will be a time where Americans get together, take of their hats, put them over their heart, and spend a few minutes saying a few words.  Those words signify 2 things.  That we are a joined entity that has gotten to where we are by being together.  That our vets have made a special sacrifice through their service, or the ultimate sacrifice by dying for our freedom.

People on the other side of this debate claim that is not what the Anthem is, and that their protest are not anti-vet.  Yet, I saw with my own 2 eyes a Vietnam vet saying a few words about his fallen comrades and the Seattle Seahawks had 8 or 9 players hastily run over and take a knee or take a seat.  You just cannot keep being that wrong about things.



Here's a story that will i wynn, kazoo, and dc hate.  Liberal PC A-holes like those three that hate America will get ignored, as these true Americans nicely demonstrated.

http://www.breitbart.com/california/2018/05/28/california-crowd-defies-announcer-sings-national-anthem-at-high-school-softball-championship/

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keepinitreal

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Probably one of Duaine's letters to the Editor led to not singing the National Anthem.  Good job by those America lovers behind Libtard lines.  

That wouldn't even become a thought in Texas, why do they hate their own country so much?

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