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3leftturns

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I think Berg is quite safe at OSU. They are moving in the right direction.
It is about time for her to move up
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The interim ASU coaches are 99.9999% gone.


Who do we think they will go after?
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That would be a natural promotion for Berg, or the Fords, in my mind

Or, if the AD magically cared, a big number for Rocha ... lol
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Kelly Ford would be a great hire...I wouldn't mind my daughter playing for her!
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Would Stanford offer Allister a big number?
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Would Stanford offer Allister a big number?

I think she will wind up at ASU. I think she could have them at the WCWS within a year or so.

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Erica Beach @ ASU
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ASU AD has made some big hires in other sports:

Bob Bowman - Swimming
Zeke Jones - Wrestling
Tracy Smith - Baseball

Look up their background if you don't know them. It will be interesting to see who Ray Anderson goes with but I'm absolutely sure there's going to be a coaching change --- probably announced after the WCWS.
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I think she will wind up at ASU. I think she could have them at the WCWS within a year or so.


It'd be the smartest move ASU could make.
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Would Stanford offer Allister a big number?


Although others have already offered their $.02, here's mine:  Stanford will not force Hanson out after only two years.  Will.  Not.  Happen.  For one thing, we all know how long the recruiting cycle has become, and only with next year's class we'll start to get some idea of her ability to identify and recruit talent that hasn't already been committed to other majors.  Morever, Allister wasn't interested two years ago, and difficult to see how events since then have changed (at either Stanford or Minnesota) enough to change her mind.
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That would be a natural promotion for Berg, or the Fords, in my mind

Or, if the AD magically cared, a big number for Rocha ... lol


Such a natural fit for JR.  If she's ready to take the leap.  Not sure if she is though.
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ASU shouldn't be your first head coaching job.
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Although others have already offered their $.02, here's mine:  Stanford will not force Hanson out after only two years.  Will.  Not.  Happen.  For one thing, we all know how long the recruiting cycle has become, and only with next year's class we'll start to get some idea of her ability to identify and recruit talent that hasn't already been committed to other majors.  Morever, Allister wasn't interested two years ago, and difficult to see how events since then have changed (at either Stanford or Minnesota) enough to change her mind.
Things have changed in the sense that things have cooled off out there. Plus, there have been two more awful years on the field. It's a helluva draw, the idea of pulling the alma mater out of a nosedive, and she could do it quickly IMO
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ASU shouldn't be your first head coaching job.


Why?
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Too big of a job IMO - that's a Top 10 job in the country. They will have plenty of highly qualified candidates with successful head coaching experience to choose from. Just look at Allister's career path - would be smart for Rocha to take another P5 job and get them rolling, then she would have her choice of jobs.
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Too big of a job IMO - that's a Top 10 job in the country. They will have plenty of highly qualified candidates with successful head coaching experience to choose from. Just look at Allister's career path - would be smart for Rocha to take another P5 job and get them rolling, then she would have her choice of jobs.



Ha ha ha ha ha at ASU being a Top 10 job. Maybe top 25, but not sure ASU has ever been a top 10 job.
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Agree to disagree. Your SEC bias has gotten pretty bad recently.
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Agree to disagree. Your SEC bias has gotten pretty bad recently.


You didn't ask who my top 10 were. Only 3 (4 if you take my #10 replacement) are SEC (good job on the assumptions).

But I'll give them anyways:

1. UCLA
2. Arizona
3. Texas
4. Michigan
5. Oklahoma
6. Florida
7: LSU
8. Alabama
9. Cal/Stanford (take your pick, both with their education provided and recruiting pool could be a quick turnaround)
10. Florida State (based on location, recruiting pool, overall athletic dominance, power wifhin their conference)/Tennessee
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I don't think you can put Stanford and Cal over Washington
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I don't think you can put Stanford and Cal over Washington


I can agree to swapping that one out.  I just feel like Stanford and to some degree Cal have had better traditional programs.  Washington has only been relevant in the last 7 years.  ASU was only relevant during the Myers years.  As much as I'm not a fan of DN, Cal is a good softball school with craptacular facilities.  Stanford has all the potential in the world, plus that education.
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I don't think you can put Stanford and Cal over Washington
Either you go for the degree strength of Cal or Stanford, or if you toss in rainy Washington then you bring into play Oregon, with 6 supers and 3 WS in White's six years and, by far, the best facility in the conference.
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I can agree to swapping that one out.  I just feel like Stanford and to some degree Cal have had better traditional programs.  Washington has only been relevant in the last 7 years.  ASU was only relevant during the Myers years.  As much as I'm not a fan of DN, Cal is a good softball school with craptacular facilities.  Stanford has all the potential in the world, plus that education.
Agree.
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You didn't ask who my top 10 were. Only 3 (4 if you take my #10 replacement) are SEC (good job on the assumptions).

But I'll give them anyways:

1. UCLA
2. Arizona
3. Texas
4. Michigan
5. Oklahoma
6. Florida
7: LSU
8. Alabama
9. Cal/Stanford (take your pick, both with their education provided and recruiting pool could be a quick turnaround)
10. Florida State (based on location, recruiting pool, overall athletic dominance, power wifhin their conference)/Tennessee


One of these schools is not like the others and that makes for an extremely tough recruiting job and weather sell. Michigan's *program* might be #4, but as a *job* maybe a little lower for this reason. Who knows if the California pipeline can last with new coaches, although the enormous and spread out alumni base and academic prestige certainly help--as well as athletic dedication and support from the University and community. As an alum, I won't complain about your placement, but when ESPN does these rankings for football, they always factor in recruiting and location. I could be wrong, because a lot of warm weather athletes have mentioned experiencing winter for the first time ever as a big draw.
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Agree goblue. After looking at the list, I think both me and Jay are right. We definitely see things differently, I tend to look at the job and not where the program currently is. IMO, ASU would definitely be a top 10 job to have, even if they don't have a top 10 program. To me, it's the best job in the P10, or at worst second to UCLA. Decent facility, total control of your schedule, perfect recruiting area and great town to recruit to.
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Michigan is fine at 4 for me, at most just a tick or two down. Excellent facility, exceptional diploma and total run of the ... be kind... mediocre Big Ten.

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Agree goblue. After looking at the list, I think both me and Jay are right. We definitely see things differently, I tend to look at the job and not where the program currently is. IMO, ASU would definitely be a top 10 job to have, even if they don't have a top 10 program. To me, it's the best job in the P10, or at worst second to UCLA. Decent facility, total control of your schedule, perfect recruiting area and great town to recruit to.



$125000 is not enough to draw a good hire in this day and age, and that's what ASU pays give or take a couple thousand.  Not with Gasso pulling 350,000 and Walton pulling 250000 and Clark pulling 180, Hutch 180 etc.
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Agree goblue. After looking at the list, I think both me and Jay are right. We definitely see things differently, I tend to look at the job and not where the program currently is. IMO, ASU would definitely be a top 10 job to have, even if they don't have a top 10 program. To me, it's the best job in the P10, or at worst second to UCLA. Decent facility, total control of your schedule, perfect recruiting area and great town to recruit to.


How many of those listed currently have a top 10 program. I wasn't going based on current rankings but more based on potential for recruiting/location, tradition, how to the athletic department supports their programs and more specifically women's sports, fan support and possibility of building a consistently winning program without much difficulty.

To me ASU just isn't a big draw. Yes, it is a great job, but I'm not sure it's such a high and mighty job that it can put those hefty stipulations on future candidates. I mean if it was, they surely should've been able to do better than that Ball State hire. That isn't a hire worthy of saying its a top 10 job. I mean Auburn is far from one of the top 10 jobs, yet they went out and made a top 10 hire.
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One of these schools is not like the others and that makes for an extremely tough recruiting job and weather sell. Michigan's *program* might be #4, but as a *job* maybe a little lower for this reason. Who knows if the California pipeline can last with new coaches, although the enormous and spread out alumni base and academic prestige certainly help--as well as athletic dedication and support from the University and community. As an alum, I won't complain about your placement, but when ESPN does these rankings for football, they always factor in recruiting and location. I could be wrong, because a lot of warm weather athletes have mentioned experiencing winter for the first time ever as a big draw.


I disagree completely. Not looking at the capabilities of a future coach to pull in CA recruits, but the fact that UM is one of the premier institutions to marry a solid education and a well supported athletic department makes this a prime time job. In my eyes, it's no different than football. This is a position that if it opened up today, many top tier coaches would be clamoring for this job. It has a rich tradition, a proven support system, and a conference that allows it to be pretty untested.

Side note: could Young at Duke for a few years be an interview process for Hutch's replacement?

If you want a simple way to look at it, I try to think of what programs my head coach would leave for in a heart beat if they became available. (That's where teams like Stanford/Cal/FSU become a little sketchy but I still think hold water.)
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I can agree to swapping that one out.  I just feel like Stanford and to some degree Cal have had better traditional programs.  Washington has only been relevant in the last 7 years.  ASU was only relevant during the Myers years.  As much as I'm not a fan of DN, Cal is a good softball school with craptacular facilities.  Stanford has all the potential in the world, plus that education.

Washington was a fixture at the WCWS before the days of Tarr. They have been relevant for a long time.

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Washington was a fixture at the WCWS before the days of Tarr. They have been relevant for a long time.


Back when CSUN, Oklahoma State and Iowa were in the WCWS.
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