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Mark46

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You are the one who wrote: "Interesting that the take is that Hutch controls B1G hiring... "



Hmm, but you're the gadfly who has all the answers.
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Apparently that is your windmill to tilt at.

Go find someone who has been pushing that line of thinking and bleat to them
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Apparently that is your windmill to tilt at.

Go find someone who has been pushing that line of thinking and bleat to them


Actually I did, but as usual you were the one who answered the phone.
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I know you got kicked around a little in the Regional vs. RPI thread, but I thought you were over that.

Can someone who actually believes Hutch is making all the calls take the baton here?

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I know you got kicked around a little in the Regional vs. RPI thread, but I thought you were over that.

Can someone who actually believes Hutch is making all the calls take the baton here?



You'll have the baton again in no time, one doesn't make 5877 posts without continuously running in circles.
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I know you got kicked around a little in the Regional vs. RPI thread, but I thought you were over that.

Can someone who actually believes Hutch is making all the calls take the baton here?


No one, to my knowledge, has ever contended Hutch controls B1G hiring.  That would be asinine.

It does appear Hutch has done a good job of working the AD system and B1G politics to push for all female hires as head coaches in B1G softball.  

Men who would have arguably been better hires and were available were often passed over.  

Not saying it overall good or bad for the sport, just that it is what it is. 


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If you are an AD hiring a Softball Coach and as an AD you are not connected to the sport (and most are not) you are going to make some calls. If you are in the B1G you are going to call Hutch. She gives the administrator names, it's their choice after that. Until other sports use search firms or ADs get more involved then that is likely going to be the end of the process...
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If you are an AD hiring a Softball Coach and as an AD you are not connected to the sport (and most are not) you are going to make some calls. If you are in the B1G you are going to call Hutch. She gives the administrator names, it's their choice after that. Until other sports use search firms or ADs get more involved then that is likely going to be the end of the process...
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No one, to my knowledge, has ever contended Hutch controls B1G hiring.  That would be asinine.

It does appear Hutch has done a good job of working the AD system and B1G politics to push for all female hires as head coaches in B1G softball.  

Men who would have arguably been better hires and were available were often passed over.  

Not saying it overall good or bad for the sport, just that it is what it is. 



In the linked thread go to post #115 on the 4th page

http://robocoach.websitetoolbox.com/post/big-ten-2016-7938151?&trail=120
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I doubt any BIG 10 AD or SWA is calling Hutch for names Just not how college AD office works. Might call another AD in the BIG 10, but not Hutch directly. She is calling them to advance a candidate.
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Agree.  Anyone who thinks Iowa AD, or other B1G AD is going to call Michigan Head Coach and ask who to hire is not reasonable.  

That does not mean there are ways for Hutch to forward an agenda.  Hutch can definitely get the B1G conference to make 'female coaches in female sports a priority'.  She can also make sure that the people at the B1G has a ready list of reasonable choices that are female candidates for head coaching jobs.  

If you are fan of one of these teams that ends up getting a less capable female coach, you are going to bristle at the fact that your school is getting screwed by an agenda.  

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Agree.  Anyone who thinks Iowa AD, or other B1G AD is going to call Michigan Head Coach and ask who to hire is not reasonable.  

That does not mean there are ways for Hutch to forward an agenda.  Hutch can definitely get the B1G conference to make 'female coaches in female sports a priority'.  She can also make sure that the people at the B1G has a ready list of reasonable choices that are female candidates for head coaching jobs.  

If you are fan of one of these teams that ends up getting a less capable female coach, you are going to bristle at the fact that your school is getting screwed by an agenda.  


Then I ask you, just how does she go about doing that especially since there's no evidence that she has done that at her own school?
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Former Michigan players who are administrators within other Big Ten athletic departments......that's where Hutch's influence can dictate what happens.
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Former Michigan players who are administrators within other Big Ten athletic departments......that's where Hutch's influence can dictate what happens.


Which would be who? I don't know of any currently and only one in the past.
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Then I ask you, just how does she go about doing that especially since there's no evidence that she has done that at her own school?

I have never said that 'she is doing it' nor claimed direct evidence.  I am saying that Hutch influencing a preference for female candidates for B1G is a theory that has some merit.  It is also plausible that Hutch forwards a list of candidates to B1G.  This is based on head coach hiring patterns in the B1G. 

Not sure what she does at her own school. 

If you are one of the opposing teams fans and you get Allister, you are going to be ok with it.  If you are one of the opposing teams fans and you get Looper or Wright, you are not going to see this as a good thing.

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“Julie is a wonderful addition to Maryland and the Big Ten. She’s an outstanding professional and she will be a great asset to the conference. She’s a great hire.” -Carol Hutchins, Michigan Head Coach

 

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I have never said that 'she is doing it' nor claimed direct evidence.  I am saying that Hutch influencing a preference for female candidates for B1G is a theory that has some merit.  It is also plausible that Hutch forwards a list of candidates to B1G.  This is based on head coach hiring patterns in the B1G. 

Not sure what she does at her own school. 

If you are one of the opposing teams fans and you get Allister, you are going to be ok with it.  If you are one of the opposing teams fans and you get Looper or Wright, you are not going to see this as a good thing.


 


That's what I thought, no evidence just a lot of conspiracy theories dreamed up in someone's head, then they run with it.
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I have hesitated to admit this, but I'd already emailed him.  :/


No response.

What a fall this program has had.  From a yearly contender for top 25 spot to sub .500 record and bottom feeder in a weak ACC.  Hopefully something gets done quickly, but clearly GT doesn't care about athletics (not just softball, look at how they've handled volleyball and other sports).
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I think I'd give a long, long look at Aileen Morales. She's going to get snagged by someone within the next few years.
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It appears that Hanson is still squarely on the hot seat at Stanford. Column in the Stanford Daily calling for her firing. 

http://www.stanforddaily.com/2016/05/19/philippou-give-hanson-the-axe/
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Do you think Murphy hired and then re-hired Adam Arbour at Alabama to spite Hutch?
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You know, as badly as Missouri wimped out in the handling of recent events,  It might be interesting to see Missouri go all the way and then see what happens with the investigation of EE.
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Anyone know what's going on at WKU?  Tudor is still there, but the entire staff is gone and they only have 8 players listed on the roster right now.  Sounds like a major house cleaning.
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It appears that Hanson is still squarely on the hot seat at Stanford. Column in the Stanford Daily calling for her firing. 

http://www.stanforddaily.com/2016/05/19/philippou-give-hanson-the-axe/


I don't think some little college newspaper Pulitzer Prize wannabe has much say in what happens to the softball coach.
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I don't think some little college newspaper Pulitzer Prize wannabe has much say in what happens to the softball coach.


All she's doing in reporting facts. Tell me how you would feel if Beth came in to Baton Rouge and only won 2 conference games in two years, let alone going winless in conference? 
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Former Michigan players who are administrators within other Big Ten athletic departments......that's where Hutch's influence can dictate what happens.


BINGO!

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There are already Affirmative Action regulatory requirements pushing the hiring of female coaches, so anything Hutch does would be in line with that, and probably a good thing for proactive reasons, in staying compliant.

Giving a statement on a new coach has nothing to do with influencing the hiring. I know for a fact at UMaryland, Hutch was not involved in any way shape or form. The final candidates were two women and one man, so the odds were on a woman.


She was with the coach before!

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Anyone know what's going on at WKU?  Tudor is still there, but the entire staff is gone and they only have 8 players listed on the roster right now.  Sounds like a major house cleaning.


Supposedly fired her whole staff minutes after their last game and during exit interviews took away the scholarships and cut her entire sophomore class, all starters. She made a complete mess at Belmont. Lucked out a couple of years with a strong ace at IUPFW. Took that pitcher to WKU with her but blew off all of Perry's verbal commitments (all strong), and has made yet another mess at WKU. Rumors around the firing of the assistants, but even if true, the only house cleaning that will help WKU is the removal of Tudor herself
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BINGO!


Who are Hutch's former players who are current Big Ten administrators? I can't think of any and I know of only one in the past.
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She was with the coach before!


When? Where?
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Why did Aaron Vail leave Oregon State before the season ended?
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Supposedly fired her whole staff minutes after their last game and during exit interviews took away the scholarships and cut her entire sophomore class, all starters. She made a complete mess at Belmont. Lucked out a couple of years with a strong ace at IUPFW. Took that pitcher to WKU with her but blew off all of Perry's verbal commitments (all strong), and has made yet another mess at WKU. Rumors around the firing of the assistants, but even if true, the only house cleaning that will help WKU is the removal of Tudor herself


Rule #1 for any AD, especially those who know nothing about softball (most):

Never hire a coach unless he/she has had success with teams led by at least two different pitchers.  Anyone can get lucky once.



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